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Post by laughter on Jun 1, 2022 14:40:44 GMT -5
Testing... damn shit fuck bitchute wristwatch my ass Okay guys, looks like the profanity filter is switched off! That filter only mangles links and words. I told Shawn that we don't actually have a profanity problem here so we don't need a profanity filter. I'll trust you guys will see to it that it stays that way. Cool. That filter has been incredibly irritating, but I didn't realize that Shawn could shut it off. I'm glad RobertK asked about that and you took action. Well that just proves you're not enlightened.  |
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Post by lolly on Jun 6, 2022 23:03:04 GMT -5
My idea with weights has changed from the conventional wisdom that 'compound exercises' are the essential basis or weight programs. This came after seeing a lot really terrible deadlift, squat, bench, barbell row and overhead barbell press technique, and hardly any really smooth looking movements. Then, how many injuries? It's insane. The powerlifter will know that these are specialised, technical movements, so there needs to be a progression of exercises that lead to that advanced level.
I therefore developed a training strategy to progress new lifters through a 4 stage program that teaches them correct technique for all the exercises in the gym, and systematically progresses to the big 5 barbell lifts, and in so doing, I broke all the 'rules' pertaining to 'compound exercise' dogma.
The 4 stages are: 1. isolation movements (one muscle at a time); 2. Posture and strength and movement symetry; 3) dumbells for rapid strength gain and; 4) Barbell lifting (which is still very rapid strength gain)
stage 1, isolation, works each muscle one at a time so that the person can work on mind/muscle connection, full range of motion and deliberate hard contractions. Stage 2 utilises unilateral exercises (one side at a time) to balance strength side to side, implements postural corrections and incorporates some simple compound movements. Stage 3, having established bilateral strength balance and refined exercise postures (making it safe), returns to bilateral exercises (both sides at once) with dumbells with rapid progressive overload to accelerate strength increase. Stage 4 is barbells. Squats, bench, deadlift, barbell rows, overhead military press + complementary accessories.
With each stage the number of exercises decreases, the number of reps decrease, the number of sets increase, overall volume increases, rest times increase. Hence it starts with 14 exercises a session with 1 working set of 20 reps (warm up set 10 reps) and no rest time between exercises. stage 2, 12 exercises, 2 working sets of 15 reps (these are unilateral so 45 sec to 1 min rest after both sides). Stage 3, 10 exercises, 3 working sets of 10-12 reps 1 minute rests. Stage 4, 8 exercises, 4 working sets, 8 reps, 2 minutes rest. Sessions are 1 hour and you feel just a bit stressed by the end. Gym goers will see that's a high number of exercises but I arrange exercises such that intra-session recovery is optimised, and you can the work it all in without blowing a gasket because we do not go to failure, keeping a few reps in the tank with each set (RPE 7-8). Not an easy program, but anyone can do it no probs...
Each stage is split into 2 different training days. Hence stage 1 has 28 different exercises, stage 2 has 24, stage 3 = 20 and 4 = 16. Hence it's not only a fine tuned progression that goes from simplest to most complex, it covers a very large number of exercises so that anyone who completes the program knows everything about all the exercises anyone would ever need in a gym and can execute them all proficiently. Since I designed this approach my client injury count is zero and everyone without exception has beautifully refined powerlifting technique. I did break 2 main 'dogmas' by excluding all compound movements from the first stage and I also stopped 'individualising'. Everyone I train does pretty much the same program up till the barbell lifts. I consider this to be a general physical preparation program (GPP). Individualisation starts after GPP is complete. This is quite a unique approach, but it's science based and it works incredibly well.
Being a GPP I don't care about individual client goals at the beginning. I pretend to, but I also understand that one requires a base of good posture, strength and exercise ability to be ready for other fitness goals. Hence the guy who wants fat loss does the same as the guy who wants muscle growth and the old lady who wants to get up the stairs. Once the GPP is complete, we can start to specialise. Strength athletes can go on a periodised barbell program, general fitness/endurance can move to fast moving supersets. Some athletes can stagger hypertrophy, strength and power training, the fat loss and muscle builders do special nutrition cycling along with tailored programs. Breaks the rule of individualisation because I only really start individualising for specific goals after at least 4 months and usually longer. It would take the average Joe up to 6 to 8 months to complete GPP. People who are already athletic can pull it off in 16 weeks or so.
Hence if a swimmer asks me what are the best weightliting tips, well, I start with mind/muscle connection and deliberate hard contractions using isolation exercises and step it up from there to strength symmetry and posture etc. Learn how every muscle feels and how to deliberately make a maximum contraction, over and over til it's automatic. Later on, if I said 'fire the glutes' for example, you'd be instant, contract real hard, and they both would work exactly the same. Same for any other muscles - and once the 'mindful and deliberate' is established over the entire body, step it up from there to complex compound movements. But a swimmer is already working, so can't add much more work and still recover properly, so for swimming, strength training is non-specific to the sport and would be complementary. We need to assess what attributes need improving. Shoulder stability and symetrical strength balance would be important and upper body back strength is a given, whereas massive strong quads no need... I would work any athlete for any sport into barbell lifting but a swimmer needs specific accessories such as lat pullovers that imitate stroke, for example.
For you tube I'd refer to AtheanX for good info and Jeremy Ethier is good too.
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Post by lolly on Jun 6, 2022 23:05:11 GMT -5
Forgot to mention that core strength for spine and overall stablisation is a critical component.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 10, 2022 9:33:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 10:12:40 GMT -5
My idea with weights has changed from the conventional wisdom that 'compound exercises' are the essential basis or weight programs. This came after seeing a lot really terrible deadlift, squat, bench, barbell row and overhead barbell press technique, and hardly any really smooth looking movements. Then, how many injuries? It's insane. The powerlifter will know that these are specialised, technical movements, so there needs to be a progression of exercises that lead to that advanced level. [...] Interesting post. I've been doing some weight training at gym and use a mix of compound exercises with a few isolations. I'm not a beginner, but I notice that squat and deadlift are dangerous. I do not do those to "failure" the way I can other movements. If I want to push the legs more I use a leg press machine or something like a Bulgarian split squat. There are some interesting meditative aspects to weight lifting. One, I try to move fairly slow and controlled, with body awareness. It makes it harder, and I notice some people in the gym just throwing the weight too fast to get a higher rep-count. Second, there is the feeling of failure and psychological stress when failing with a burn. With small muscle isolations this doesn't tax me much. But something like leg press - ugg. It takes a lot mentally. But I feel good afterward. |
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Post by lolly on Jun 10, 2022 22:28:33 GMT -5
My idea with weights has changed from the conventional wisdom that 'compound exercises' are the essential basis or weight programs. This came after seeing a lot really terrible deadlift, squat, bench, barbell row and overhead barbell press technique, and hardly any really smooth looking movements. Then, how many injuries? It's insane. The powerlifter will know that these are specialised, technical movements, so there needs to be a progression of exercises that lead to that advanced level. [...] Interesting post. I've been doing some weight training at gym and use a mix of compound exercises with a few isolations. I'm not a beginner, but I notice that squat and deadlift are dangerous. I do not do those to "failure" the way I can other movements. If I want to push the legs more I use a leg press machine or something like a Bulgarian split squat. There are some interesting meditative aspects to weight lifting. One, I try to move fairly slow and controlled, with body awareness. It makes it harder, and I notice some people in the gym just throwing the weight too fast to get a higher rep-count. Second, there is the feeling of failure and psychological stress when failing with a burn. With small muscle isolations this doesn't tax me much. But something like leg press - ugg. It takes a lot mentally. But I feel good afterward. Yea, people typically use far too much weight and far too little technique. I like taking a big bloke and making him use proper precise lateral raise technique. Very humbling. The squat and deadlift can be risky, and it's a lot of weight, so when something snaps it's bad, so ya have to stop repping as soon as technique start to break down - not failure. They aren't particularly suitable for high reps either, so I don't tend to do more than 8 reps per set, generally speaking.
You're right that experienced lifters need a basis of barbell/compound exercises complemented by isolation accessories. My rant was about the best way to get there. There are important things to establish along way like foot, hip and core stability apart from what I already mentioned, as well as more nuanced things such as the ankle flexion needed for stable spine in the squat... People underestimate how integrated it is. For example, we don't think the glutes are the core, but if you stand feet shoulder width and tense the core as hard as you can, you think that's it, but then tense the glutes + quads as hard as you can as well and see how much more core you have. It all starts with the big toe... so now you think the core/glutes are fully contracted, but they are not. Now, press the big toe into the floor as hard as you can and feel the whole chain switch to the next level. Then, with toe pressed hard, twist your feet hard into the floor to unlock the transverse plane and become wound tight, rock solid and immovable. It gives you a sense of how everything has a part in everything else, and why training is not just moving things around. You never knew how strongly it can contract until that final twist of the feet. Right?
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Post by lolly on Jun 14, 2022 1:22:47 GMT -5
There is no way a properly trained professional would put anyone on a juice fast or 'cleanse' or 'detox'. Proessional dietitians facepalm at those things. There might be some cases where very low calorie intake is a good idea, but it's very rare. The reason is, weight loss is more specifically the loss of fat. Not water weight, and certainly not muscle weight. The other reason is metabolic rate adapts to calorie intake, and when people do very low calorie diets, the body becomes very efficient at preserving energy aka lowers resting metabolic rate and reduces non-exercise activity. Once the person starts eating normally again, they regain the weight quickly because their metabolic rate has significantly dropped. If they don't get sufficient calories and adequate protein they will also lose a good deal of muscle, which both lowers metabolic rate and reduces the ability to use energy actively.
If a person eats a lot of junky food, they can get far too many calories and still be undernourished, so instead of a starvation diet or cleanse type approach we work toward getting balanced nutrition with fewer calories, and unless the situation is dire, we don't want anyone losing more than 1% bodyweight per week. Losing weight that fast needs a higher protein diet coupled with resistance training to preserve muscle while shedding the fat.
The body is already designed to remove toxins, so if you give it the nutrients it needs and do a bit of work with it, it will optimise its ability clean itself up. 'Cleansing' on a diet which does not provide nutritional balance is sheer quackery. Of course those who have already drunk the Kool Aid are irredeemable, and you'll preach about the miracle, but that's how hokum works and why so many people are mislead from doing what is for the best, to false promises of a quick fix.
For the weigh problem we like to keep most people about 500-600 calories under their weight maintenance calories, and keep protein high and weight train to retain the muscle mass. The body will adapt to the deficit in a few weeks and weight loss will plateau, so every 5 or 6 weeks we take a week or so at higher cals to prevent metabiolic adaption and keep the metabolic rate high, and then resume the calorie deficit for a few more weeks - repeat. This is because the science shows it prevents low metabolic adaption which leads to weight regain. This way, if you can get the weight off you have a much higher chance of keeping it off.
If we just keep cutting calories to keep the weight dropping, metabolic rate slows significantly, and i on a huge calorie deficit or a long time, that can be a permanent problem. It happened to a e o the Biggest losers, and no ethingal practitioner would ever do hat they did on that show. However toe celebrity trainer went on to become social influencers and now make money misleading million of people every year. It's criminal.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 14, 2022 8:44:11 GMT -5
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Post by zazeniac on Jun 15, 2022 8:27:34 GMT -5
Biggest problems I was guilty of and most folks in the gym, the problems that caused most of the injuries I've seen are (1) lack of flexibility, especially lower body flexibility. (2) Overtraining, where you're not sleeping and lacking sound judgment. (3) Ego lifting.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 15, 2022 9:42:09 GMT -5
There is no way a properly trained professional would put anyone on a juice fast or 'cleanse' or 'detox'. Proessional dietitians facepalm at those things. And yet they still can't heal cancer. Their idea of treatment is to burn or poison tissue or to just cut out entire body parts and then hope for the best and see what happens. While at the same time, naturopaths all over the world heal people's bodies by putting them on a fruit or juice diet or even let them fast for a certain period of time while the body regains its natural balance and starts regenerating damaged tissue. There's a lot of testimonies from people who had been declared terminally ill and given up by the medical system who sought a naturopath and then not only recovered but came out healthier, younger, more aware, mentally clear and more in love with life than ever before. You see, we've had this discussion before about Morse. And that discussion didn't go well because it was a clash of worlds. I actually urged you to take a deeper look at this, at all the testimonies of people that support that perspective. He's got a long list of people that recovered after he put them on a fruit or juice diet, people with all kinds of ailment that are considered incurable by your 'trained professionals', all kinds of cancers, multiple sclerosis, diabetes, parkinsons, alzheimers and even some quadriplegics recovered fully. Of course, you can't just willy-nilly put people on a fast or juice diet. It has to be individually tailored to their situation. But the bottom line always is, a raw diet, especially fruit only, accelerates the recovery and regeneration process of tissue enormously. You see, your 'trained professionals' live in an artificial, constructed world of bits and pieces and parts where they barely can make sense of how it all fits together. It's a very reductionist perspective of the world and life in general. So it's no wonder that they look at the human body the same way they would look at something artificial like a car. Only instead of fuel intake, they talk about calorie intake. Instead of replacing a fender, they talk about replacing a hip. So what naturopaths suggest, to just give the body the fuel it is built for and then leave it to itself and let nature do the work must sound like quackery, if not idiocy. I agree. From the perspective of your 'trained professionals', that cannot be. And yet it is happening left and right all the time and all over the world with people who stopped subscribing to such a narrow mindset, who were willing to try a different approach, either because it resonated with them or because it was their last option. And that approach is an organic approach. Then the body is not just a machine that needs regular check ups, maintenance and spare parts in order to replace what has broken down due to the daily wear and tear. Then the body is a living organism, that has its own intelligence and can take care of itself and repair itself if you only let it do what it is designed to do. So these two perspectives are fundamentally different. They also look at what we call illness, sickness or a bodily condition very differently. To your 'trained professionals' the symptoms are the illness and they do their best to rid you of these symptoms. Once these symptoms disappear, you are considered healed, even if they have to cut out entire body parts to get there (insert facepalm). To the naturopath the symptoms are just symptoms of a body out of balance. Usually they call it a healing crisis. It's like when you clean up your room, open all the drawers and empty them out on the floor to sort out the things that are still useful and the things you can throw away. Your room will look temporarily like a mess. But once you've sorted it all out and put things back where they belong and took out the trash, your room looks like new again. So the main focus is to restore that balance and then the symptoms have to disappear automatically. So you could say the naturopath focuses on healing from the inside out, your 'trained professionals' from the outside inward. Now, I suggest you watch the professor (the longer version I've linked above) and what she has to say about connective tissue, inflammation and cancer and stretching and how it all fits together. It will give you an idea of the mindset of the naturopaths and - if you add the lymphatic system and the advantages of a predominantly alkaline diet - it will, IMO, explain rather scientifically sound why they are able to regenerate tissue and heal people, all the while your 'trained professionals' still can't. So keep an open mind, and don't just dismiss new approaches to life and health as nonsense because it boggles your personal mind or contradicts what you have been indoctrinated with or what the current scientific dogma is. Instead look at the evidence. Follow the long trail of testimonies. Morse alone has several new testimonies every week from people he treats at his clinic or from people who followed his advice and write to him with before/after stories/pictures. |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 15, 2022 9:43:49 GMT -5
Biggest problems I was guilty of and most folks in the gym, the problems that caused most of the injuries I've seen are (1) lack of flexibility, especially lower body flexibility. (2) Overtraining, where you're not sleeping and lacking sound judgment. (3) Ego lifting. If your knee hasn't healed yet, I think you may wanna look into this connective tissue/fascia dealy. Could be helpful. |
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Post by zazeniac on Jun 15, 2022 12:15:53 GMT -5
Biggest problems I was guilty of and most folks in the gym, the problems that caused most of the injuries I've seen are (1) lack of flexibility, especially lower body flexibility. (2) Overtraining, where you're not sleeping and lacking sound judgment. (3) Ego lifting. If your knee hasn't healed yet, I think you may wanna look into this connective tissue/fascia dealy. Could be helpful. The knee was misdiagnosed, imo, as a torn miniscus. I think it's patellar dysfunction. The patella pops out of its groove and causes pain. I do this tape job now that keeps me pain free while I play tennis or lift. It works. The knee gets a little stiff at times, but no pain. I focus my leg workout on full range of motion and incorporate some of the kneesovertoes guy's exercises, like split step squats, etc. Plus lots of stretching. Knee's much better. Knock on wood. |
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Post by lolly on Jun 15, 2022 17:24:53 GMT -5
There is no way a properly trained professional would put anyone on a juice fast or 'cleanse' or 'detox'. Proessional dietitians facepalm at those things. And yet they still can't heal cancer. Their idea of treatment is to burn or poison tissue or to just cut out entire body parts and then hope for the best and see what happens. While at the same time, naturopaths all over the world heal people's bodies by putting them on a fruit or juice diet or even let them fast for a certain period of time while the body regains its natural balance and starts regenerating damaged tissue. There's a lot of testimonies from people who had been declared terminally ill and given up by the medical system who sought a naturopath and then not only recovered but came out healthier, younger, more aware, mentally clear and more in love with life than ever before. You see, we've had this discussion before about Morse. And that discussion didn't go well because it was a clash of worlds. I actually urged you to take a deeper look at this, at all the testimonies of people that support that perspective. He's got a long list of people that recovered after he put them on a fruit or juice diet, people with all kinds of ailment that are considered incurable by your 'trained professionals', all kinds of cancers, multiple sclerosis, diabetes, parkinsons, alzheimers and even some quadriplegics recovered fully. Of course, you can't just willy-nilly put people on a fast or juice diet. It has to be individually tailored to their situation. But the bottom line always is, a raw diet, especially fruit only, accelerates the recovery and regeneration process of tissue enormously. You see, your 'trained professionals' live in an artificial, constructed world of bits and pieces and parts where they barely can make sense of how it all fits together. It's a very reductionist perspective of the world and life in general. So it's no wonder that they look at the human body the same way they would look at something artificial like a car. Only instead of fuel intake, they talk about calorie intake. Instead of replacing a fender, they talk about replacing a hip. So what naturopaths suggest, to just give the body the fuel it is built for and then leave it to itself and let nature do the work must sound like quackery, if not idiocy. I agree. From the perspective of your 'trained professionals', that cannot be. And yet it is happening left and right all the time and all over the world with people who stopped subscribing to such a narrow mindset, who were willing to try a different approach, either because it resonated with them or because it was their last option. And that approach is an organic approach. Then the body is not just a machine that needs regular check ups, maintenance and spare parts in order to replace what has broken down due to the daily wear and tear. Then the body is a living organism, that has its own intelligence and can take care of itself and repair itself if you only let it do what it is designed to do. So these two perspectives are fundamentally different. They also look at what we call illness, sickness or a bodily condition very differently. To your 'trained professionals' the symptoms are the illness and they do their best to rid you of these symptoms. Once these symptoms disappear, you are considered healed, even if they have to cut out entire body parts to get there (insert facepalm). To the naturopath the symptoms are just symptoms of a body out of balance. Usually they call it a healing crisis. It's like when you clean up your room, open all the drawers and empty them out on the floor to sort out the things that are still useful and the things you can throw away. Your room will look temporarily like a mess. But once you've sorted it all out and put things back where they belong and took out the trash, your room looks like new again. So the main focus is to restore that balance and then the symptoms have to disappear automatically. So you could say the naturopath focuses on healing from the inside out, your 'trained professionals' from the outside inward. Now, I suggest you watch the professor (the longer version I've linked above) and what she has to say about connective tissue, inflammation and cancer and stretching and how it all fits together. It will give you an idea of the mindset of the naturopaths and - if you add the lymphatic system and the advantages of a predominantly alkaline diet - it will, IMO, explain rather scientifically sound why they are able to regenerate tissue and heal people, all the while your 'trained professionals' still can't. So keep an open mind, and don't just dismiss new approaches to life and health as nonsense because it boggles your personal mind or contradicts what you have been indoctrinated with or what the current scientific dogma is. Instead look at the evidence. Follow the long trail of testimonies. Morse alone has several new testimonies every week from people he treats at his clinic or from people who followed his advice and write to him with before/after stories/pictures. Every quack has 1000 testimonies just as 1000s of people attest to flat earth, and to say they can cure cancer is lying. There are many cases in medicine where cancer goes into complete remission, and of course optimising the immune system through nutrition and activity is extremely effective, but some make it and some die.
Morse is a quack and the diet recommendations are not nutritionally sound and all but impossible to adhere to, and since there is no record of his success rate, there is nothing to say. Of course he has testimonials and people who advocate, but so does the carnivore diet.
I think what tends to happen is people go on some radical diet, but the effect is simply they stop eating processed packaged food and start eating whole fresh food.
There is some proper research on fasting which shows benefits, and the vegan researchers also show very good outcomes, but when these things are researched properly, the amazing 'cure cancer' type claims don't hold up. Other so-called chronic conditions like blood pressure, diabetes and some others can be reversed, but not always, and usually not completely, but the improvements are generally very good.
I know people like the idea that trained professionals are wrong and there's a quick easy fix, but it's not so black and white. For example, a medical doctor can't help anyone with nutrition any more than can help with exercise, but they know nutrition and exercise will benefit anyone with any medical condition. For example there was some research in Western Australia that made a large group of chemo patients go the gym with properly trained exercise physiologists immediately after their radiation sessions and compared them to other patients that went straight home. The former group had far better outcomes than the latter, but do we say 'exercise cures cancer'? No. We tell people the truth. I have no doubt the outcomes would have been even better if they optimised nutrition as well, but even then, significantly more people live, but a large number still die. If Moore was above board, he present the actual statistics instead of pretending he can cure anything.
I've been involved in a healing centre, and we were serviced by all sorts of fastintg, herb guys, vegan foodies, and the fruit thing was like gospel. We has the reiki feller, a lot of meditations - it was the works. People came there with last hopes and nothing to lose and I honestly can't remember one that didn't die. It does happen, but rarely. Some lesser ill people did well and improved or recovered, so I'm not saying it's all invalid, but it doesn't 'cure cancer'.
I've heard of some guys who are doing real clinical research with fasting, and very low calorie diets, but they are professionals and i assume they understand metabolic adaptation and how nutrients work, but I don't follow that research closely because I'm not a clinician of any description. I do lifestyle things, and if someone needs a medical diet I suggest a dietitian. But it doesn't work the way you're thinking. It's complex and we consider everything from individual differences to their social, environmental dimensions and bring together an approach which is realistic and sustainable for the rest of their lives. It's not up to me to say be a vegan or whatever, and frankly, anyone who is preaching like a diet-guru, vegan, keto-warrior or whatever, just doesn't understand things from individual to large-scale dimensions. I'm glad they do their bit because it broadens options, but they aren't realistic about helping everyone or anyone.
I would bet the approach I take has a far greater effect on quality of life, morbidity and mortality that any Moore-like personality, hands down, and I'm sure every single client would write me a glowing testimonial, but to me, a testimonial is sub-par. I don't even use them for marketing because even though that would work and no one would think less of me, it seriously undermines my standards. I talk to people individually about the way in which I might help them with their maladies, but I don't tell anyone I can cure anything because, since I'm not deluded, that would be dishonest. Still, we know full well that proper nutrition and exercise is the leading determinant of good health, quality of life and longevity and anyone who claims to do better is quackers.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 15, 2022 21:41:58 GMT -5
And yet they still can't heal cancer. Their idea of treatment is to burn or poison tissue or to just cut out entire body parts and then hope for the best and see what happens. While at the same time, naturopaths all over the world heal people's bodies by putting them on a fruit or juice diet or even let them fast for a certain period of time while the body regains its natural balance and starts regenerating damaged tissue. There's a lot of testimonies from people who had been declared terminally ill and given up by the medical system who sought a naturopath and then not only recovered but came out healthier, younger, more aware, mentally clear and more in love with life than ever before. You see, we've had this discussion before about Morse. And that discussion didn't go well because it was a clash of worlds. I actually urged you to take a deeper look at this, at all the testimonies of people that support that perspective. He's got a long list of people that recovered after he put them on a fruit or juice diet, people with all kinds of ailment that are considered incurable by your 'trained professionals', all kinds of cancers, multiple sclerosis, diabetes, parkinsons, alzheimers and even some quadriplegics recovered fully. Of course, you can't just willy-nilly put people on a fast or juice diet. It has to be individually tailored to their situation. But the bottom line always is, a raw diet, especially fruit only, accelerates the recovery and regeneration process of tissue enormously. You see, your 'trained professionals' live in an artificial, constructed world of bits and pieces and parts where they barely can make sense of how it all fits together. It's a very reductionist perspective of the world and life in general. So it's no wonder that they look at the human body the same way they would look at something artificial like a car. Only instead of fuel intake, they talk about calorie intake. Instead of replacing a fender, they talk about replacing a hip. So what naturopaths suggest, to just give the body the fuel it is built for and then leave it to itself and let nature do the work must sound like quackery, if not idiocy. I agree. From the perspective of your 'trained professionals', that cannot be. And yet it is happening left and right all the time and all over the world with people who stopped subscribing to such a narrow mindset, who were willing to try a different approach, either because it resonated with them or because it was their last option. And that approach is an organic approach. Then the body is not just a machine that needs regular check ups, maintenance and spare parts in order to replace what has broken down due to the daily wear and tear. Then the body is a living organism, that has its own intelligence and can take care of itself and repair itself if you only let it do what it is designed to do. So these two perspectives are fundamentally different. They also look at what we call illness, sickness or a bodily condition very differently. To your 'trained professionals' the symptoms are the illness and they do their best to rid you of these symptoms. Once these symptoms disappear, you are considered healed, even if they have to cut out entire body parts to get there (insert facepalm). To the naturopath the symptoms are just symptoms of a body out of balance. Usually they call it a healing crisis. It's like when you clean up your room, open all the drawers and empty them out on the floor to sort out the things that are still useful and the things you can throw away. Your room will look temporarily like a mess. But once you've sorted it all out and put things back where they belong and took out the trash, your room looks like new again. So the main focus is to restore that balance and then the symptoms have to disappear automatically. So you could say the naturopath focuses on healing from the inside out, your 'trained professionals' from the outside inward. Now, I suggest you watch the professor (the longer version I've linked above) and what she has to say about connective tissue, inflammation and cancer and stretching and how it all fits together. It will give you an idea of the mindset of the naturopaths and - if you add the lymphatic system and the advantages of a predominantly alkaline diet - it will, IMO, explain rather scientifically sound why they are able to regenerate tissue and heal people, all the while your 'trained professionals' still can't. So keep an open mind, and don't just dismiss new approaches to life and health as nonsense because it boggles your personal mind or contradicts what you have been indoctrinated with or what the current scientific dogma is. Instead look at the evidence. Follow the long trail of testimonies. Morse alone has several new testimonies every week from people he treats at his clinic or from people who followed his advice and write to him with before/after stories/pictures. Every quack has 1000 testimonies just as 1000s of people attest to flat earth, and to say they can cure cancer is lying. There are many cases in medicine where cancer goes into complete remission, and of course optimising the immune system through nutrition and activity is extremely effective, but some make it and some die. Morse is a quack and the diet recommendations are not nutritionally sound and all but impossible to adhere to, and since there is no record of his success rate, there is nothing to say. Of course he has testimonials and people who advocate, but so does the carnivore diet. I think what tends to happen is people go on some radical diet, but the effect is simply they stop eating processed packaged food and start eating whole fresh food.
There is some proper research on fasting which shows benefits, and the vegan researchers also show very good outcomes, but when these things are researched properly, the amazing 'cure cancer' type claims don't hold up. Other so-called chronic conditions like blood pressure, diabetes and some others can be reversed, but not always, and usually not completely, but the improvements are generally very good.
I know people like the idea that trained professionals are wrong and there's a quick easy fix, but it's not so black and white. For example, a medical doctor can't help anyone with nutrition any more than can help with exercise, but they know nutrition and exercise will benefit anyone with any medical condition. For example there was some research in Western Australia that made a large group of chemo patients go the gym with properly trained exercise physiologists immediately after their radiation sessions and compared them to other patients that went straight home. The former group had far better outcomes than the latter, but do we say 'exercise cures cancer'? No. We tell people the truth. I have no doubt the outcomes would have been even better if they optimised nutrition as well, but even then, significantly more people live, but a large number still die. If Moore was above board, he present the actual statistics instead of pretending he can cure anything. I've been involved in a healing centre, and we were serviced by all sorts of fastintg, herb guys, vegan foodies, and the fruit thing was like gospel. We has the reiki feller, a lot of meditations - it was the works. People came there with last hopes and nothing to lose and I honestly can't remember one that didn't die. It does happen, but rarely. Some lesser ill people did well and improved or recovered, so I'm not saying it's all invalid, but it doesn't 'cure cancer'. I've heard of some guys who are doing real clinical research with fasting, and very low calorie diets, but they are professionals and i assume they understand metabolic adaptation and how nutrients work, but I don't follow that research closely because I'm not a clinician of any description. I do lifestyle things, and if someone needs a medical diet I suggest a dietitian. But it doesn't work the way you're thinking. It's complex and we consider everything from individual differences to their social, environmental dimensions and bring together an approach which is realistic and sustainable for the rest of their lives. It's not up to me to say be a vegan or whatever, and frankly, anyone who is preaching like a diet-guru, vegan, keto-warrior or whatever, just doesn't understand things from individual to large-scale dimensions. I'm glad they do their bit because it broadens options, but they aren't realistic about helping everyone or anyone.
I would bet the approach I take has a far greater effect on quality of life, morbidity and mortality that any Moore-like personality, hands down, and I'm sure every single client would write me a glowing testimonial, but to me, a testimonial is sub-par. I don't even use them for marketing because even though that would work and no one would think less of me, it seriously undermines my standards. I talk to people individually about the way in which I might help them with their maladies, but I don't tell anyone I can cure anything because, since I'm not deluded, that would be dishonest. Still, we know full well that proper nutrition and exercise is the leading determinant of good health, quality of life and longevity and anyone who claims to do better is quackers.
Look, Lolly. You are not a medical doctor and based on what you've just written tells me that you didn't watch the video and also don't know much about detox, fasting and juicing in general, let alone the science behind it. Which puts your entire counter-argument on very shaky grounds. Not only that, it also reflects very badly on you and your own practice. You see, if you want to refute another's argument, you first have to fully understand their argument. If you don't, you are just engaging in a strawman argument. Which is basically what you are doing here when you get hung up on this Morse character again. I gave you the roadmap for fully understanding my argument, including the scientific basis, but you don't seem to be interested at all. So there's no intelligent discussion to be had with you. I'm sorry. I am also a bit surprised at your tact here, calling others you know nothing about quacks or even criminals. I am genuinely disappointed, Lolly. The only way I can explain this is that you don't actually understand my point. Why that is, I don't know. It's not rocket science after all. Like it or not, there's a scientific basis to all of this. You are not wrong, and I agreed with you already that you can't just use a generic approach with this. But your rather strong opinions on this subject seem to be mostly based on projections and (slanderous) hearsay. Because anyone with only a little bit of experience in that area knows that this is not a quick fix. It takes usually months if not a full year to fully regenerate. And it usually ain't pretty either (healing crisis). It does take some willpower to even get started and even more willpower to keep going. And you also have to change your lifestyle permanently. Which is probably the reason why most attempts at this fail in the end. You don't have to be 100% fruit or raw forevermore. It should go without saying that in the colder climates being a fruitarian is not actually feasible, not financially and in some cases also not logistically. And not even Morse is on a 100% raw diet and he lives in the tropics! Another factor anyone with a bit of experience in fasting and juicing will come to understand is that food is always also a social event, and if you go full hardcore, you'll have to miss out on a lot of socializing opportunities. And many people don't want that and so they don't follow thru. You'll be surprised when do a fast and discover how much of our lives, both in terms of time and resources, actually revolves around food - thinking about food, talking about food, buying food, preparing food... Also, as you rightly said, it's one among many other factors that contribute to sound health, but it is an important one. So, bottom line, I don't think you need to live 100% raw. But if you have some chronic ailments that just don't go away, going raw for a while may be an alternative worth looking into. That's all I am saying. And the best testimonial is your own testimonial! You have to try it yourself. Just sitting in your chair and philosophizing about the advantages and disadvantages of different diets and approaches to healing doesn't cut it. You have to get your feet wet. But, with all this focus on the physical body and diet, let's not forget our mental diet either! Anyway, all I can offer you for now is to agree to disagree. You are not wrong, you know, about quackery and stuff. It does happen. And it's unfortunate. But you are trying to throw out the baby with the bathwater. And that's equally unfortunate. It's not like there's no quackery happening in the medical system, right? So let's keep it fair and balanced.  |
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Post by Reefs on Jun 15, 2022 22:25:06 GMT -5
If your knee hasn't healed yet, I think you may wanna look into this connective tissue/fascia dealy. Could be helpful. The knee was misdiagnosed, imo, as a torn miniscus. I think it's patellar dysfunction. The patella pops out of its groove and causes pain. I do this tape job now that keeps me pain free while I play tennis or lift. It works. The knee gets a little stiff at times, but no pain. I focus my leg workout on full range of motion and incorporate some of the kneesovertoes guy's exercises, like split step squats, etc. Plus lots of stretching. Knee's much better. Knock on wood. Cool. Stiffness is a problem, yes. I have been mostly on fruit juice this month with just one regular meal per day and I have to say, I have a lot less stiffness problems. And if I do, my stretching exercises seem to be a lot more effective. There is an increased flexibility. Which to me confirms that not only bad posture and lack of movement contributes to stiffness, but also a mostly acidic diet. Anyway, wish you a full and speedy recovery! |
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