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Post by siftingtothetruth on Jun 2, 2022 11:35:54 GMT -5
Continued from Verse Thirty-Six37. THE CONTENTION, 'DUALISM DURING PRACTICE, NON-DUALISM ON ATTAINMENT', IS ALSO FALSE. WHILE ONE IS ANXIOUSLY SEARCHING, AS WELL AS WHEN ONE HAS FOUND ONE'S SELF, WHO ELSE IS ONE BUT THE TENTH MAN? Commentary: The story of the tenth man is one where someone in a group knows there are ten people but keeps counting only nine. He wonders where the last one is. It turns out he’s been forgetting to count himself the whole time. This kind of simple recognition of what is stunningly obvious is akin to the insight of Self-realization; it is the penetration of the usual forgetfulness of what is right in front of our eyes. Yet this forgetfulness is not real. It’s just a thought. It’s not the case that the tenth man was somehow not the tenth man until he remembered it. He was always the tenth man. Similarly, it’s not the case that the seeker is truly ignorant until realization. He is the Self at all times, in fact. Duality is false not just before realization but at all times. But duality seems true to seekers. So it seems, but the end of realization will be to see that that seeming is itself untrue, and always was. Note: what this really means is that not only was the tenth man the tenth man the whole time — but that, in fact, never was it not the case that he did not know it! At any time, see all the forty verses posts that I have published so far here. |
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Post by laughter on Jun 3, 2022 9:13:15 GMT -5
Continued from Verse Thirty-Six37. THE CONTENTION, 'DUALISM DURING PRACTICE, NON-DUALISM ON ATTAINMENT', IS ALSO FALSE. WHILE ONE IS ANXIOUSLY SEARCHING, AS WELL AS WHEN ONE HAS FOUND ONE'S SELF, WHO ELSE IS ONE BUT THE TENTH MAN? Commentary: The story of the tenth man is one where someone in a group knows there are ten people but keeps counting only nine. He wonders where the last one is. It turns out he’s been forgetting to count himself the whole time. This kind of simple recognition of what is stunningly obvious is akin to the insight of Self-realization; it is the penetration of the usual forgetfulness of what is right in front of our eyes. Yet this forgetfulness is not real. It’s just a thought. It’s not the case that the tenth man was somehow not the tenth man until he remembered it. He was always the tenth man. Similarly, it’s not the case that the seeker is truly ignorant until realization. He is the Self at all times, in fact. Duality is false not just before realization but at all times. But duality seems true to seekers. So it seems, but the end of realization will be to see that that seeming is itself untrue, and always was. Note: what this really means is that not only was the tenth man the tenth man the whole time — but that, in fact, never was it not the case that he did not know it! At any time, see all the forty verses posts that I have published so far here. how am-i suposed to do computers with only 1's !  |
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Jun 4, 2022 9:07:33 GMT -5
Continued from Verse Thirty-Six37. THE CONTENTION, 'DUALISM DURING PRACTICE, NON-DUALISM ON ATTAINMENT', IS ALSO FALSE. WHILE ONE IS ANXIOUSLY SEARCHING, AS WELL AS WHEN ONE HAS FOUND ONE'S SELF, WHO ELSE IS ONE BUT THE TENTH MAN? Commentary: The story of the tenth man is one where someone in a group knows there are ten people but keeps counting only nine. He wonders where the last one is. It turns out he’s been forgetting to count himself the whole time. This kind of simple recognition of what is stunningly obvious is akin to the insight of Self-realization; it is the penetration of the usual forgetfulness of what is right in front of our eyes. Yet this forgetfulness is not real. It’s just a thought. It’s not the case that the tenth man was somehow not the tenth man until he remembered it. He was always the tenth man. Similarly, it’s not the case that the seeker is truly ignorant until realization. He is the Self at all times, in fact. Duality is false not just before realization but at all times. But duality seems true to seekers. So it seems, but the end of realization will be to see that that seeming is itself untrue, and always was. Note: what this really means is that not only was the tenth man the tenth man the whole time — but that, in fact, never was it not the case that he did not know it! At any time, see all the forty verses posts that I have published so far here. how am-i suposed to do computers with only 1's !  Maybe the 10th man is more binary than he seems. |
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Post by laughter on Jun 4, 2022 9:55:07 GMT -5
how am-i suposed to do computers with only 1's ! Maybe the 10th man is more binary than he seems. he's a fuzzy logic guy. |
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Aug 8, 2022 17:14:53 GMT -5
Continued from Verse Thirty-Seven38. AS LONG AS A MAN IS THE DOER, HE ALSO REAPS THE FRUIT OF HIS DEEDS, BUT, AS SOON AS HE REALIZES THE SELF THROUGH ENQUIRY AS TO WHO IS THE DOER, HIS SENSE OF BEING THE DOER FALLS AWAY AND THE TRIPLE KARMA IS ENDED. THIS IS THE STATE OF ETERNAL LIBERATION. Commentary: Identification with the body and the mind is the egoic mode of consciousness. In this mode, you feel like you are doing. You identify with the one who makes decisions and exerts efforts. In this mode, you also enjoy and suffer the consequences of those actions, since both doership and experiencership depend on identification with the body and the mind. As soon as you look into who seems to be doing things, or, for that matter, who seems to be experiencing them, this identification can no longer stand. It becomes clear that one is not the body and the mind. So doership and experiencership drop away. Or, to be more precise, they are no longer identified with. They become, in Vedantic parlance, like a burnt rope — the form may seem to remain, but the structure has lost its bite. Karma in this context simply means the actions that you take and their results. Traditionally in Vedanta, there are said to be three types of karma: sanchita karma, which is supposedly all the karma you have accumulated over your many previous lives; prarabhda karma, which is the karma that is used to make your current body and is supposed to unfold over this particular lifetime; and agamya karma, which is the karma which you generate anew from your actions in this lifetime. But all three karmas can only affect you so long as you believe that you are the body and the mind. If that is dropped, then only the Self remains, and the Self is beyond action and its results. Thus all karmas are burned to the enlightened one. Some in the past have claimed that the prarabhda karma remains and that only upon physical death is one “fully” liberated, but this is untrue — Realization is the recognition that one was never born. And what was never born can never die a physical death. The Self alone always is and always has been, which means that the very idea of karma, in the final analysis, cannot be said to be true. At any time, see all the forty verses posts that I have published so far here. |
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Post by zazeniac on Aug 8, 2022 17:31:55 GMT -5
Continued from Verse Thirty-Seven38. AS LONG AS A MAN IS THE DOER, HE ALSO REAPS THE FRUIT OF HIS DEEDS, BUT, AS SOON AS HE REALIZES THE SELF THROUGH ENQUIRY AS TO WHO IS THE DOER, HIS SENSE OF BEING THE DOER FALLS AWAY AND THE TRIPLE KARMA IS ENDED. THIS IS THE STATE OF ETERNAL LIBERATION. Commentary: Identification with the body and the mind is the egoic mode of consciousness. In this mode, you feel like you are doing. You identify with the one who makes decisions and exerts efforts. In this mode, you also enjoy and suffer the consequences of those actions, since both doership and experiencership depend on identification with the body and the mind. As soon as you look into who seems to be doing things, or, for that matter, who seems to be experiencing them, this identification can no longer stand. It becomes clear that one is not the body and the mind. So doership and experiencership drop away. Or, to be more precise, they are no longer identified with. They become, in Vedantic parlance, like a burnt rope — the form may seem to remain, but the structure has lost its bite. Karma in this context simply means the actions that you take and their results. Traditionally in Vedanta, there are said to be three types of karma: sanchita karma, which is supposedly all the karma you have accumulated over your many previous lives; prarabhda karma, which is the karma that is used to make your current body and is supposed to unfold over this particular lifetime; and agamya karma, which is the karma which you generate anew from your actions in this lifetime. But all three karmas can only affect you so long as you believe that you are the body and the mind. If that is dropped, then only the Self remains, and the Self is beyond action and its results. Thus all karmas are burned to the enlightened one. Some in the past have claimed that the prarabhda karma remains and that only upon physical death is one “fully” liberated, but this is untrue — Realization is the recognition that one was never born. And what was never born can never die a physical death. The Self alone always is and always has been, which means that the very idea of karma, in the final analysis, cannot be said to be true. At any time, see all the forty verses posts that I have published so far here. Think the IRS will buy it? That I was never born. It sucks to have to deal with the unrealized. What's wrong with those guys?! |
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Aug 8, 2022 18:07:33 GMT -5
Continued from Verse Thirty-Seven38. AS LONG AS A MAN IS THE DOER, HE ALSO REAPS THE FRUIT OF HIS DEEDS, BUT, AS SOON AS HE REALIZES THE SELF THROUGH ENQUIRY AS TO WHO IS THE DOER, HIS SENSE OF BEING THE DOER FALLS AWAY AND THE TRIPLE KARMA IS ENDED. THIS IS THE STATE OF ETERNAL LIBERATION. Commentary: Identification with the body and the mind is the egoic mode of consciousness. In this mode, you feel like you are doing. You identify with the one who makes decisions and exerts efforts. In this mode, you also enjoy and suffer the consequences of those actions, since both doership and experiencership depend on identification with the body and the mind. As soon as you look into who seems to be doing things, or, for that matter, who seems to be experiencing them, this identification can no longer stand. It becomes clear that one is not the body and the mind. So doership and experiencership drop away. Or, to be more precise, they are no longer identified with. They become, in Vedantic parlance, like a burnt rope — the form may seem to remain, but the structure has lost its bite. Karma in this context simply means the actions that you take and their results. Traditionally in Vedanta, there are said to be three types of karma: sanchita karma, which is supposedly all the karma you have accumulated over your many previous lives; prarabhda karma, which is the karma that is used to make your current body and is supposed to unfold over this particular lifetime; and agamya karma, which is the karma which you generate anew from your actions in this lifetime. But all three karmas can only affect you so long as you believe that you are the body and the mind. If that is dropped, then only the Self remains, and the Self is beyond action and its results. Thus all karmas are burned to the enlightened one. Some in the past have claimed that the prarabhda karma remains and that only upon physical death is one “fully” liberated, but this is untrue — Realization is the recognition that one was never born. And what was never born can never die a physical death. The Self alone always is and always has been, which means that the very idea of karma, in the final analysis, cannot be said to be true. At any time, see all the forty verses posts that I have published so far here. Think the IRS will buy it? That I was never born. It sucks to have to deal with the unrealized. What's wrong with those guys?! Oh luckily the IRS has no interest in you, only in zazeniac, whoever that is… |
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Post by laughter on Aug 8, 2022 23:58:09 GMT -5
Is triple karma like betting a trifecta??  |
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Aug 9, 2022 8:26:47 GMT -5
Is triple karma like betting a trifecta?? Very similar, except you can’t get a wardrobe upgrade with the proceeds. In fact often it’s a downgrade… |
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Post by laughter on Aug 9, 2022 13:44:10 GMT -5
Is triple karma like betting a trifecta?? Very similar, except you can’t get a wardrobe upgrade with the proceeds. In fact often it’s a downgrade… Oh. I c. In that case. Mystery solved.   I didn't know there were golf courses within streaking distance of a race track ... |
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Aug 9, 2022 13:54:46 GMT -5
Very similar, except you can’t get a wardrobe upgrade with the proceeds. In fact often it’s a downgrade… Oh. I c. In that case. Mystery solved. I didn't know there were golf courses within streaking distance of a race track ... He was following the old adage to streak while the 9 iron is hot. |
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Post by laughter on Aug 9, 2022 14:10:58 GMT -5
Oh. I c. In that case. Mystery solved. I didn't know there were golf courses within streaking distance of a race track ... He was following the old adage to streak while the 9 iron is hot. |
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Post by unseekingseeker on Aug 10, 2022 23:53:30 GMT -5
# 33 ~ This raises the dilemma of the dream, wherein we as dreamer are the subject and we are also the dreamed object. However, as at that time, the object knows not the subject and the subject himself is in trance.
So, the question is ~ how may the object, being a thought projection, awake within the dream?
We can then say, here now, in our waking state, we are an object and not the subject (soul/Self). So, how may the bubble of delusion burst?
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Aug 11, 2022 15:11:57 GMT -5
# 33 ~ This raises the dilemma of the dream, wherein we as dreamer are the subject and we are also the dreamed object. However, as at that time, the object knows not the subject and the subject himself is in trance. So, the question is ~ how may the object, being a thought projection, awake within the dream? We can then say, here now, in our waking state, we are an object and not the subject (soul/Self). So, how may the bubble of delusion burst? The object is not the one that awakens. The true subject is never within a trance. The idea of a dream is a misconception; to awaken means to recognize that one was never actually asleep. The bubble of delusion is burst by recognizing that the one who believed they were caught within the bubble was non-existent; they were were a thought OF such a one. So there was no bubble, no delusion, and no bursting, in truth. |
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Post by unseekingseeker on Aug 11, 2022 21:18:01 GMT -5
# 33 ~ This raises the dilemma of the dream, wherein we as dreamer are the subject and we are also the dreamed object. However, as at that time, the object knows not the subject and the subject himself is in trance. So, the question is ~ how may the object, being a thought projection, awake within the dream? We can then say, here now, in our waking state, we are an object and not the subject (soul/Self). So, how may the bubble of delusion burst? The object is not the one that awakens. The true subject is never within a trance. The idea of a dream is a misconception; to awaken means to recognize that one was never actually asleep. The bubble of delusion is burst by recognizing that the one who believed they were caught within the bubble was non-existent; they were were a thought OF such a one. So there was no bubble, no delusion, and no bursting, in truth. From a practical viewpoint, such an explanation, even if valid, does not seem helpful. To say we are free but don’t know it ignores the limitations in place by the veil of forgetting or maya. The definitive way to recognise and then unify the physical, astral and casual bodies erases separateness. Otherwise, there’s nothing to do, nothing to speculate, no practice or non-practice to follow. On an as is where is basis, here, now in this-ness of mind-body, in the three states of waking, dreaming and deep sleep (add Turiya and Turiyatita if we like) with the three states of awareness ~ Tamas, Rajas and Satva (the Gunas), those who have opted for meditation or silence, they have known separateness, interconnectedness and oneness, at different times. As such, there’s no disagreement about nonduality but yet what matters is the embodiment of this knowing in permanence in all our states of being, as they are, not as we imagine them to be. The neo-Advaita approach of neti-neti (not this, not this), the negation is unhelpful even if we take examples of the likes of Ramana for example. Maybe Ramana first realised and then offered the tool as a conclusion of his enlightenment to rest lower mind in his disciples. No matter what our realisation is, we’re back in organic form. So accepting this, a method or non-method is needed, not to know but rather to become living light here and now by transmutation. |
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Maybe the 10th man is more binary than he seems. 