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Post by roydop on Feb 16, 2022 22:35:07 GMT -5
32. ALTHOUGH THE SCRIPTURES PROCLAIM 'THOU ART THAT', IT IS ONLY A SIGN OF WEAKNESS OF MIND TO MEDITATE 'I AM THAT, NOT THIS', BECAUSE YOU ARE ETERNALLY THAT. THIS = ego, a.k.a. outer-self, outer-ego, the personality's state when focused toward the physical-reality THAT = inner-self, inner-ego, the personality's state when focused toward the wider-reality, a.k.a. inner-reality The dogma says " you are your inner-ego", but it is wrong to interpret that to mean " you are your inner-ego, not your outer-ego", because the dogma only meant that your "inner-ego" is the immortal part of you (and didn't infer that you aren't also the physical part of you, your outer-ego; you are that too). WHAT HAS TO BE DONE IS TO INVESTIGATE WHAT ONE REALLY IS AND REMAIN THAT. Without saying that this is "the" only or main purpose for which you are here, incarnated in the physical, the quote only says that you should investigate your true nature, but not by rationalizing or following a dogma or any other external source, but by projecting into a state of consciousness that gives you access to your inner-self's knowledge. No, the THAT in the scriptures is referring to an absence of distortion in perception that makes clear the nature of the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer". To realize this requires leaving aside all of your beliefs and expectations as to "inner" and "outer". Ego, "physical reality", purpose, "incarnation", projection, consciousness and states of consciousness are all rather heavy-duty conceptual structures that form the constituent thoughts (and feelings) underlying your conscious AND subconscious beliefs and expectations as to the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer". THAT is not merely: "an absence of distortion in perception that makes clear the nature of the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer"." It is unwavering Mauna; unintermittent Self-Awareness. What you have described is a strictly mental condition/state, as shown by the rest of it: "in absence of distortion in perception that makes clear the nature of the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer". To realize this requires leaving aside all of your beliefs and expectations as to "inner" and "outer". Ego, "physical reality", purpose, "incarnation", projection, consciousness and states of consciousness are all rather heavy-duty conceptual structures that form the constituent thoughts (and feelings) underlying your conscious AND subconscious beliefs and expectations as to the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer". None of that refers to the Mauna/Absolute that IS Self. You do not speak of Being Self, only of concepts. It's not about some imaginary divide between outer and inner, it's about realizing True Self. It is clear by your language that you only have a conceptual understanding of Self, and not the direct experience of Self.
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Post by laughter on Feb 17, 2022 6:41:47 GMT -5
No, the THAT in the scriptures is referring to an absence of distortion in perception that makes clear the nature of the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer". To realize this requires leaving aside all of your beliefs and expectations as to "inner" and "outer". Ego, "physical reality", purpose, "incarnation", projection, consciousness and states of consciousness are all rather heavy-duty conceptual structures that form the constituent thoughts (and feelings) underlying your conscious AND subconscious beliefs and expectations as to the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer". THAT is not merely: "an absence of distortion in perception that makes clear the nature of the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer"." It is unwavering Mauna; unintermittent Self-Awareness. What you have described is a strictly mental condition/state, as shown by the rest of it: "in absence of distortion in perception that makes clear the nature of the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer". To realize this requires leaving aside all of your beliefs and expectations as to "inner" and "outer". Ego, "physical reality", purpose, "incarnation", projection, consciousness and states of consciousness are all rather heavy-duty conceptual structures that form the constituent thoughts (and feelings) underlying your conscious AND subconscious beliefs and expectations as to the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer". None of that refers to the Mauna/Absolute that IS Self. You do not speak of Being Self, only of concepts. It's not about some imaginary divide between outer and inner, it's about realizing True Self. It is clear by your language that you only have a conceptual understanding of Self, and not the direct experience of Self. (** raises left index finger **)
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Post by roydop on Feb 17, 2022 8:19:24 GMT -5
THAT is not merely: "an absence of distortion in perception that makes clear the nature of the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer"." It is unwavering Mauna; unintermittent Self-Awareness. What you have described is a strictly mental condition/state, as shown by the rest of it: "in absence of distortion in perception that makes clear the nature of the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer". To realize this requires leaving aside all of your beliefs and expectations as to "inner" and "outer". Ego, "physical reality", purpose, "incarnation", projection, consciousness and states of consciousness are all rather heavy-duty conceptual structures that form the constituent thoughts (and feelings) underlying your conscious AND subconscious beliefs and expectations as to the apparent divide between "inner" and "outer". None of that refers to the Mauna/Absolute that IS Self. You do not speak of Being Self, only of concepts. It's not about some imaginary divide between outer and inner, it's about realizing True Self. It is clear by your language that you only have a conceptual understanding of Self, and not the direct experience of Self. (** raises left index finger **) Wow, that's so profound! 55606 posts. You are as addicted to the screen as any other average person. Oh but I'm sure that in your version of Spirituality this is perfectly fine.
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Post by zendancer on Feb 17, 2022 8:53:20 GMT -5
(** raises left index finger **) Wow, that's so profound! 55606 posts. You are as addicted to the screen as any other average person. Oh but I'm sure that in your version of Spirituality this is perfectly fine. People who denigrate others usually do so because it enhances their sense of self-importance, and if there is self-importance, there is psychological separation. One of the main "goals" of all ND paths is to see through the illusion of separation. As long as there is an "I/you" mindset, separation remains the case.
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Post by roydop on Feb 17, 2022 10:04:19 GMT -5
Wow, that's so profound! 55606 posts. You are as addicted to the screen as any other average person. Oh but I'm sure that in your version of Spirituality this is perfectly fine. People who denigrate others usually do so because it enhances their sense of self-importance, and if there is self-importance, there is psychological separation. One of the main "goals" of all ND paths is to see through the illusion of separation. As long as there is an "I/you" mindset, separation remains the case. Oh, did I hurt someone's feelings? The truth don't give a nuts about feelings. The dude has averaged 15 posts every single day for ten f u c king years! It's like listening to a crack addict give life advice. A slap in the face is appropriate.
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Post by zendancer on Feb 17, 2022 10:35:46 GMT -5
People who denigrate others usually do so because it enhances their sense of self-importance, and if there is self-importance, there is psychological separation. One of the main "goals" of all ND paths is to see through the illusion of separation. As long as there is an "I/you" mindset, separation remains the case. Oh, did I hurt someone's feelings? The truth don't give a nuts about feelings. The dude has averaged 5 posts every single day for ten f u c king years! It's like listening to a crack addict give life advice. A slap in the face is appropriate. True Believers lock themselves into mind-made prisons, but think that they're free. It's ironic, to say the least.
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Post by roydop on Feb 17, 2022 18:36:05 GMT -5
15 posts every day for 10 years is not a prison?
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Post by laughter on Feb 17, 2022 18:53:58 GMT -5
15 posts every day for 10 years is not a prison? If your thinking makes it so, sure. Welcome to Denmark.
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Post by zendancer on Feb 17, 2022 18:55:39 GMT -5
15 posts every day for 10 years is not a prison? If your thinking makes it so, sure. Welcome to Denmark.
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Post by laughter on Feb 17, 2022 19:15:08 GMT -5
If your thinking makes it so, sure. Welcome to Denmark. (** muttley snicker **)
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Mar 2, 2022 0:11:45 GMT -5
Continued from Verse Thirty-Three34. IT IS DUE TO ILLUSION BORN OF IGNORANCE THAT MEN FAIL TO RECOGNIZE THAT WHICH IS ALWAYS AND FOR EVERYBODY THE INHERENT REALITY DWELLING IN ITS NATURAL HEART-CENTRE AND TO ABIDE IN IT, AND THAT INSTEAD THEY ARGUE THAT IT EXISTS OR DOES NOT EXIST, THAT IT HAS FORM OR HAS NOT FORM, OR IS NON-DUAL OR DUAL. Commentary: The ignorance, the forgetfulness, of the Self is the ego, which is the sense that ”I am a separate someone.” This sense needs forgetfulness, because without that, the notion of being a separate entity couldn’t exist. If you kept noticing the movie screen, it would be hard to suspend disbelief and become completely absorbed in the film. You need to forget the background to take what’s playing in the foreground seriously. Out of the egoic notion come all the incorrect desires and fears that lead the mind to chase happiness in contingent, temporary things instead of simply going quiet, and, in so doing, allowing the light of the true and permanent bliss that is the Self to shine, as it does, in the Heart. That Heart is nothing different from the Self — it’s just another name for where self-inquiry leads. If you imagine yourself in a kind of large sphere, you seem to be “in here” while experience is “out there.” The Heart is the inmost point in the sphere, separated out from all the objects that it experiences. As soon as one gets to the point, of course, it turns out not to be a point at all, at least not a point in the way that it seemed at first. It has, as the scriptures say, suddenly the circumference of the entire universe despite being as tiny as an atom. All the arguments about whether the Self exists or not, whether it has form or not, etc. are all simply mental debates — that is, they are based on the foundational notion that the ego is real. Conceptual arguments are always based in a sense of separation, because words and thoughts are about bounded entities. And you cannot notice the bounds of other objects unless you are the first bounded object. Only after there is an “in here” (me) and an “out there” (not-me) can the “out there” be split into pieces and named and then argued about. What is Real is beyond concepts, beyond separation, beyond bounds. So getting embroiled in these kinds of arguments can be a kind of snakepit for the seeker, who gets confused mucking around with them instead of simply looking within and allowing the indisputable, the beyond-concepts, to shine in its wordless way. At any time, see all the forty verses posts that I have published so far here.
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Mar 24, 2022 21:58:29 GMT -5
Continued from Verse Thirty-Four35. TO SEEK AND ABIDE IN THE REALITY THAT IS ALWAYS ATTAINED IS THE ONLY ATTAINMENT. ALL OTHER ATTAINMENTS (SIDDHIS) ARE SUCH AS ARE ACQUIRED IN DREAMS. CAN THEY APPEAR REAL TO SOMEONE WHO HAS WOKEN UP FROM SLEEP? CAN THEY THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE REALITY AND ARE FREE FROM MAYA BE DELUDED BY THEM? Commentary: Seekers can also get obsessed with miraculous powers of various kinds — to see past lives, to enter other universes, powers of creation and destruction, and so on. Mythological texts talk about these. These are all irrelevant, mere temporary baubles compared to the infinite beauty that is the Self. In a dream, who cares how far you can fly or how fast you can run? In the end, it’s still a dream. That’s the nature of the world — it is dream-like, and so all the powers that one attains are still limited by that fact. Realization of the Self is akin to waking up from that dream. Someone who has woken up from a dream is not going to be wowed by miraculous powers that he had in a dream. They’re not going to think they’re somehow any realer than the dream itself. At any time, see all the forty verses posts that I have published so far here.
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Post by zazeniac on Mar 25, 2022 10:35:17 GMT -5
Continued from Verse Thirty-Four34. TO SEEK AND ABIDE IN THE REALITY THAT IS ALWAYS ATTAINED IS THE ONLY ATTAINMENT. ALL OTHER ATTAINMENTS (SIDDHIS) ARE SUCH AS ARE ACQUIRED IN DREAMS. CAN THEY APPEAR REAL TO SOMEONE WHO HAS WOKEN UP FROM SLEEP? CAN THEY THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE REALITY AND ARE FREE FROM MAYA BE DELUDED BY THEM? Commentary: Seekers can also get obsessed with miraculous powers of various kinds — to see past lives, to enter other universes, powers of creation and destruction, and so on. Mythological texts talk about these. These are all irrelevant, mere temporary baubles compared to the infinite beauty that is the Self. In a dream, who cares how far you can fly or how fast you can run? In the end, it’s still a dream. That’s the nature of the world — it is dream-like, and so all the powers that one attains are still limited by that fact. Realization of the Self is akin to waking up from that dream. Someone who has woken up from a dream is not going to be wowed by miraculous powers that he had in a dream. They’re not going to think they’re somehow any realer than the dream itself. At any time, see all the forty verses posts that I have published so far here. Think the same is true for socio-political movements. The conflict between Judas and Jesus depicts this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2022 10:48:03 GMT -5
[...] ALL OTHER ATTAINMENTS (SIDDHIS) ARE SUCH AS ARE ACQUIRED IN DREAMS. [...] In a dream, who cares how far you can fly or how fast you can run? I do. Sounds like fun. But I get what you're saying.
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Post by siftingtothetruth on Apr 26, 2022 22:47:11 GMT -5
Continued from Verse Thirty-Five36. ONLY IF THE THOUGHT 'I AM THE BODY' OCCURS WILL THE MEDITATION 'I AM NOT THIS, I AM THAT', HELP ONE TO ABIDE AS THAT. WHY SHOULD WE FOR EVER BE THINKING, 'I AM THAT'? IS IT NECESSARY FOR MAN TO GO ON THINKING 'I AM A MAN'? ARE WE NOT ALWAYS THAT? Commentary: Some texts on non-duality emphasize repeating to yourself that you are not the mind and the body and that you are the Self. This is only of temporary use. The egoic first thought — “I am” — causes separation. It implies the “not-I” and is ultimately connected with the idea that “I am the body,” and then connects to the mind, other relationships, your personal history, etc. It is only if you first buy this “I am” that implies that you are a separate, individual self that you need to continuously remind yourself what you are and are not. But that’s tiresome. We need a way of cutting to the root of things. If we look into the egoic first thought, we see that it is not what it seems to be. When this is seen, there is then no need to keep asserting over and over what we are and are not. We’ll simply stop crediting — identifying with — the idea that we are anything other than the Self. Indeed, in some profound sense, we’ll stop crediting ideas at all. At any time, see all the forty verses posts that I have published so far here.
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