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Post by andrew on Jan 27, 2021 9:09:07 GMT -5
Hmmm Thinking.... As spiritual folks, I think it's fair to say that we don't have the same fear of death as many folks. We don't have the same kind of experience of 'endings' (or 'beginnings'). For us, beginnings and endings are more an arbitrary measurement perhaps, than they are a 'real occurrence'. But they can still be felt deeply of course. I wouldn't say that this means that spiritual folks are 'reckless', in fact it paradoxically leads perhaps to a 'reverence'. But I don't think we necessarily revere the idea that 'a person has a life'. We revere Life itself. Though perhaps I should speak for myself there instead of saying 'we'. The article questions whether the quest for 'safety' has become irrational and illogical, and I'm inclined to agree. I don't see this quest for 'safety' as a revering of Life itself. I think it's more a reverence for 'a person has a life'. And I think we are seeing the back lash of this in the fact that many old folks are suffering. it feels real enough when I bang my shin , what else is there? nobody denies that the shutdowns etc have gone poorly thus far, but why continue to look backwards? better days are ahead I would imagine Certainly I think hope is more useful than hopelessness. what else is there....maybe some kind of sense that it is a sensation 'in Consciousness'? Or something along those lines? |
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Post by roydop on Jan 27, 2021 9:42:51 GMT -5
34 pages of alternative reality
The power of Maya is in it's subtly.
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Post by zazeniac on Jan 27, 2021 9:55:30 GMT -5
I can show a dozen studies that contradict your argument. They are not fool proof, but they reduce the risk of infection and the viral load. Japan and South Korea have fairly universal mask usage and limited lockdowns. Japan has experienced 41 deaths per million. South Korea 27 deaths per million. Compare this to Sweden's 900 per million or 1200 per million for the US. I accounted for the fact that they block air flow and droplets, but that doesn't contradict the fact that most of them won't contain the virus particles, and masking is only one factor contributing to those numbers, and it's unclear how much of a factor in those differentials it is. Little virus wingies propel the virus through the atmosphere. |
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Post by zazeniac on Jan 27, 2021 11:31:57 GMT -5
Anyhow. The clue for me was Andrew's post about pulling back and studying the mask drama as it unfolds at the shop. To do this I realized judgment need be suspended, that nasty mental tendency (attempted joke). I'll let the rest of you go chase your tails now. More judgment. But now I'm judging the judging. Oh, the slippery slope of tongue wagging. Back to silence.
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Post by maxdprophet on Jan 27, 2021 11:47:33 GMT -5
This doesn't quite capture my own experience of 'bliss' but I can still relate to an extent. 'When you know bliss, you are ready to die, doesn't matter what age you are, where you are....' Interesting few minutes. I'm going to watch this guy some more. This must be a good approximation of what Santa Claus looks like immediately post-season. Kick back with some shades in some place warm, shoot the breeze...  |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 27, 2021 15:35:13 GMT -5
Okay, I'll bear that in mind, and if you close the thread no problem at all. An interesting article here about life in the UK for elderly folks. It's not political. www.conservativewoman.co.uk/dont-kill-granny-just-terrify-or-ignore-her/If anyone reads, I'm interested in how they think their spiritual views inform their perspective/opinion on the content (if at all). And for balance, I'll say right now, that ultimately, all of this is just mind 'minding'. Sad state of affairs. Fears, in a framework of ignorance, cause a lot of stupid manifestations. The spiritual angle (for this pandemic, this election, and everything else): each one of us [1] perceives differently their reality, which they [2] created themselves ([1] outer-self, ego; [2] subconscious, inner-self, whole-self, inner-guidance). If one [1] doesn't like their reality, they [1] should investigate what limiting-belief they [1] hold causes that, then suspend and replace it. This state of affairs isn't about the mass-event, but about what each one of us [1] does with it. From what I [1] perceive, I [1] am failing this test. Why? Because I [1] keep reacting to the situation instead of creating the reality I [1] want. It isn't about choosing to accept it or fight it; it is about creating something else and ignore the pendulum. Historically, this precedes a major turn in my [1] life. |
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Post by zendancer on Jan 27, 2021 17:15:51 GMT -5
Okay, I'll bear that in mind, and if you close the thread no problem at all. An interesting article here about life in the UK for elderly folks. It's not political. www.conservativewoman.co.uk/dont-kill-granny-just-terrify-or-ignore-her/If anyone reads, I'm interested in how they think their spiritual views inform their perspective/opinion on the content (if at all). And for balance, I'll say right now, that ultimately, all of this is just mind 'minding'. Andrew: I read the article, and it seems to me that what it describes is what could reasonably be expected from different people given the overall context of what's happening. It's neither good nor bad; it's simply how life unfolds during a pandemic. Older people are generally more concerned about the virus because the mortality rate with Covid goes increasingly higher with age. I talked with our saleslady at one of our big suppliers yesterday. I thought she had been on vacation, but it turns out that she contracted the virus and was seriously ill for more than two weeks. I'm guessing that she's about 35 years old. She told me that she had previously thought the virus was something like a bad flu bug until she caught it. She apparently brought it home to her boyfriend and her mother (who lives with her and requires a lot of care-giving). She and her boyfriend were extremely sick but recovered. Her mother has never recovered and is now in hospice. Her attitude is now completely different than before, and she feels guilty for not taking it more seriously prior to getting ill. I've run into this same sort of thing several times. Many people don't think Covid is serious until they or a loved one catch the bug and have a bad case or someone dies. Our plumber thought the whole thing was a media-generated hoax, but he then caught it and was in bed with a high fever and extreme pain for 15 days. He told me last week that he still has weird pains that randomly shoot through his body during the day, and he supposedly recovered several weeks ago. A direct quote from him is, "I wouldn't wish this da!n virus on my worst enemy." In the US (perhaps also in the UK) attitudes toward the virus are highly politicized. Generally speaking, some groups of people take it more seriously than others, but both groups respond in what seem to be fairly predictable ways. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 27, 2021 18:24:54 GMT -5
Certainly I think hope is more useful than hopelessness. what else is there....maybe some kind of sense that it is a sensation 'in Consciousness'? Or something along those lines? maybe there's something to be said about characters in a cosmic play... but I don't know if considering such is useful or not To go with your example, I think it would certainly affect our experience of what's happening, and actually would also affects our sense of how to live e.g if we know we are characters in a cosmic play, would it make sense to live life anxiously or would it make sense to live life joyfully? |
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Post by andrew on Jan 27, 2021 18:25:43 GMT -5
34 pages of alternative reality The power of Maya is in it's subtly. Only 34 pages! I am ashamed! In this same amount of time 5 years ago, I'd have racked up 100 pages by now  |
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Post by andrew on Jan 27, 2021 18:27:00 GMT -5
This doesn't quite capture my own experience of 'bliss' but I can still relate to an extent. 'When you know bliss, you are ready to die, doesn't matter what age you are, where you are....' Interesting few minutes. I'm going to watch this guy some more. This must be a good approximation of what Santa Claus looks like immediately post-season. Kick back with some shades in some place warm, shoot the breeze... hmmm yes, nice. I'd previously imagined Santa as more a Bezos character when out of season, cracking the whip on those elves! I like your image better. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 27, 2021 18:28:40 GMT -5
Okay, I'll bear that in mind, and if you close the thread no problem at all. An interesting article here about life in the UK for elderly folks. It's not political. www.conservativewoman.co.uk/dont-kill-granny-just-terrify-or-ignore-her/If anyone reads, I'm interested in how they think their spiritual views inform their perspective/opinion on the content (if at all). And for balance, I'll say right now, that ultimately, all of this is just mind 'minding'. Sad state of affairs. Fears, in a framework of ignorance, cause a lot of stupid manifestations. The spiritual angle (for this pandemic, this election, and everything else): each one of us [1] perceives differently their reality, which they [2] created themselves ([1] outer-self, ego; [2] subconscious, inner-self, whole-self, inner-guidance). If one [1] doesn't like their reality, they [1] should investigate what limiting-belief they [1] hold causes that, then suspend and replace it. This state of affairs isn't about the mass-event, but about what each one of us [1] does with it. From what I [1] perceive, I [1] am failing this test. Why? Because I [1] keep reacting to the situation instead of creating the reality I [1] want. It isn't about choosing to accept it or fight it; it is about creating something else and ignore the pendulum. Historically, this precedes a major turn in my [1] life. Some good stuff in there. Curious, do you ever have a tangible sense, or experience, of not being able to control your thoughts/focus? |
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Post by andrew on Jan 27, 2021 18:40:54 GMT -5
Okay, I'll bear that in mind, and if you close the thread no problem at all. An interesting article here about life in the UK for elderly folks. It's not political. www.conservativewoman.co.uk/dont-kill-granny-just-terrify-or-ignore-her/If anyone reads, I'm interested in how they think their spiritual views inform their perspective/opinion on the content (if at all). And for balance, I'll say right now, that ultimately, all of this is just mind 'minding'. Andrew: I read the article, and it seems to me that what it describes is what could reasonably be expected from different people given the overall context of what's happening. It's neither good nor bad; it's simply how life unfolds during a pandemic. Older people are generally more concerned about the virus because the mortality rate with Covid goes increasingly higher with age. I talked with our saleslady at one of our big suppliers yesterday. I thought she had been on vacation, but it turns out that she contracted the virus and was seriously ill for more than two weeks. I'm guessing that she's about 35 years old. She told me that she had previously thought the virus was something like a bad flu bug until she caught it. She apparently brought it home to her boyfriend and her mother (who lives with her and requires a lot of care-giving). She and her boyfriend were extremely sick but recovered. Her mother has never recovered and is now in hospice. Her attitude is now completely different than before, and she feels guilty for not taking it more seriously prior to getting ill. I've run into this same sort of thing several times. Many people don't think Covid is serious until they or a loved one catch the bug and have a bad case or someone dies. Our plumber thought the whole thing was a media-generated hoax, but he then caught it and was in bed with a high fever and extreme pain for 15 days. He told me last week that he still has weird pains that randomly shoot through his body during the day, and he supposedly recovered several weeks ago. A direct quote from him is, "I wouldn't wish this da!n virus on my worst enemy." In the US (perhaps also in the UK) attitudes toward the virus are highly politicized. Generally speaking, some groups of people take it more seriously than others, but both groups respond in what seem to be fairly predictable ways. I think the article describes what happens in a lockdown as a RESPONSE to a pandemic, I don't think it describes what necessarily happens in a pandemic. Lockdown is a philosophical choice made by leaders. They use science to support their choice, but at the core, it is a philosophical choice based on their values, their sense of what matters, the goals they want to achieve. I'm not unconditionally opposed to lockdown, so in the UK at the beginning of January, I felt it was probably the best thing to do, all things considered, but philosophically, I believe it's overall a very flawed approach, rooted in false belief. I think it can perpetuate fear, and then that fearful consciousness continues to create conditions that one is already afraid of. In the UK, most lockdown sceptics aren't actually covid sceptics. There's a clear distinction between the two camps, though there is some crossover. From what I've seen 99% of covid sceptics don't challenge the idea that covid does kill folks, but they will challenge the way that the death certificates marked (which I think is similar in the US to the UK) and they will challenge the number of cases if a high cycle test is being used. Lockdown sceptics are more focused on what they see as the flaws of lockdown as an approach. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 27, 2021 18:59:49 GMT -5
Sad state of affairs. Fears, in a framework of ignorance, cause a lot of stupid manifestations. The spiritual angle (for this pandemic, this election, and everything else): each one of us [1] perceives differently their reality, which they [2] created themselves ([1] outer-self, ego; [2] subconscious, inner-self, whole-self, inner-guidance). If one [1] doesn't like their reality, they [1] should investigate what limiting-belief they [1] hold causes that, then suspend and replace it. This state of affairs isn't about the mass-event, but about what each one of us [1] does with it. From what I [1] perceive, I [1] am failing this test. Why? Because I [1] keep reacting to the situation instead of creating the reality I [1] want. It isn't about choosing to accept it or fight it; it is about creating something else and ignore the pendulum. Historically, this precedes a major turn in my [1] life. Some good stuff in there. Curious, do you ever have a tangible sense, or experience, of not being able to control your thoughts/focus? I use self-hypnosis. I adjust the level and direction of my focus as need by asking my subconscious directly. Depending on what I intend to experience I ask for a specific focus, or for an intended result. For example, I ask the subconscious to automatically adjust for sleep, workout, driving, reading, tapping my inner source of knowledge and guidance, out-of-body experience, pro/regression, ... I can also ask for a certain level of trance between 1 and 100%, a brain frequency, to disable / enable senses, ... I can also ask to project into my inner-self, a dream-self, a probable-self, ... I don't have difficulties controlling my thoughts. Sometimes when I get angry, if I don't pay attention I can obsessively think about a reaction, but usually pretty soon I realize, and let go. When I project and change my focus, I get into a "noticing" state expecting the transition, and momentarily I have no thoughts. It never takes more than a few seconds. If the transition didn't happen, I try it again. I hope that's what you asked about. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 27, 2021 19:11:30 GMT -5
This must be a good approximation of what Santa Claus looks like immediately post-season. Kick back with some shades in some place warm, shoot the breeze... hmmm yes, nice. I'd previously imagined Santa as more a Bezos character when out of season, cracking the whip on those elves! I like your image better. I find amusing how spiritual people go to a guru and ask a question with an expectation for a specific answer to confirm what they already proudly believe; how they unintentionally distort whatever they hear and leave with the answer they had expected, not with what the guru told them. Surely, the guru is responsible for not being more no-nonsense, but probably the guru knows that there is no way to change somebody's mind until they're prepared for that. I liked the video with Deepak and Sadhguru about the covid (recommended earlier in this thread), but I suppose everybody got from it whatever they had expected ...  |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 27, 2021 19:16:27 GMT -5
Andrew: I read the article, ... I think the article describes what happens in a lockdown as a RESPONSE to a pandemic, I don't think it describes what necessarily happens in a pandemic. Lockdown is a philosophical choice made by leaders. They use science to support their choice, but at the core, it is a philosophical choice based on their values, their sense of what matters, the goals they want to achieve. I'm not unconditionally opposed to lockdown, so in the UK at the beginning of January, I felt it was probably the best thing to do, all things considered, but philosophically, I believe it's overall a very flawed approach, rooted in false belief. I think it can perpetuate fear, and then that fearful consciousness continues to create conditions that one is already afraid of. In the UK, most lockdown sceptics aren't actually covid sceptics. There's a clear distinction between the two camps, though there is some crossover. From what I've seen 99% of covid sceptics don't challenge the idea that covid does kill folks, but they will challenge the way that the death certificates marked (which I think is similar in the US to the UK) and they will challenge the number of cases if a high cycle test is being used. Lockdown sceptics are more focused on what they see as the flaws of lockdown as an approach. That's why I liked the video with Deepak and Sadhguru about the covid. Because showed a more realistic and beneficial approach to deal with the situation. |
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