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Post by inavalan on Jan 26, 2021 0:25:46 GMT -5
That is uneducated nonsense that can get people killed if they believe it. Take a biology class. Those are specialists in the domain. You are nut. |
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Post by esponja on Jan 26, 2021 0:53:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 0:55:24 GMT -5
That is uneducated nonsense that can get people killed if they believe it. Take a biology class. Those are specialists in the domain. You are nut. Hehe. I get a kick out of you.  I wish you the best. I need to get off this site before 9pm each night. That should cut down on my lapses in judgement, ventures in vanity, and forays into futility. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 26, 2021 1:01:45 GMT -5
Those are specialists in the domain. You are nut. Hehe. I get a kick out of you. I wish you the best. I need to get off this site before 9pm each night. That should cut down on my lapses in judgement, ventures in vanity, and forays into futility. Thanks! That's a good reply |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 26, 2021 1:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2021 3:50:06 GMT -5
Some of those "corrections" you mention can be unnecessary. It's tricky. In my industry for example, I remember in the 1990s everyone clamoring for the government to break up Microsoft. (Eg, anti-trust laws) They said it was horrible, and they were somewhat right. The government started to move, but never really did. The "market" (ie, people) solved the problem, and the solutions were better and more creative than what the government was planning. So it's a balance, but sometimes we are rewarded if we have the patience to wait for a solution without government control. The government threat may have helped push back Microsoft; otherwise they might have tried harder to stifle the internet. This seems relevant now given some of the recent whining about "big tech". Obviously selling another person is not prostitution; it's slavery. And the article mentions women getting beaten, drugged, chained, and raped. Those are crimes independent of prostitution. If this were the fault of capitalism, we wouldn't see Venezuelan women flooding into Colombia to work that way. There is an equivalent characterization of government as a bogeyman, that nothing government does is right. This seems to me a generalization that is limiting. The question is "what" government, those riddled with corruption (usually corrupting moneyed influence) don't necessarily benefit the people. they are supposed to represent. But there have been quite successful government enterprises. My point about sex slavery is that the markets aren't inherently moral. They will tolerate slavery and starvation, abuses of the worse kind. As to Microsoft, I don't see things as you do. My background is also in software. I found Linux to be a much better product than Windows and am sorry that it didn't gain acceptance due to MS's financial leverage. Both capitalism and socialism are static ideologies, but what they apply to is dynamic, and, ultimately defies complete apprehension by abstraction. So, what we see over time are these cycles, and at certain points, one approach will lead to greater societal prosperity, while the other won't, and vice-versa. For example, the early labor unions that formed in response to Frick and Carnegie resulted in major legitimate social gains for the overall greater good, while the UAW of the late 20th century is arguably as responsible - by way of excess - for the demise of the U.S. auto industry as the greed and bad decisions of the quarterly-driven public company management. Genuinely free markets lead to a scenario where to be anti-business is to be essentially anti-life, but market power left unfettered naturally consolidates into either an oligopoly or a monopoly. It's sort of a Universal fractal pattern that we see reflected, for instance, in our current theory of the way that solar systems form. Another example: state investment in education leads at first to a profoundly more productive population but then again, constantly pumping public money into the University system is one of the primary causes of tuition inflation, which is similar to what led to the '08 mortgage bust. Anyone with any interest in history can go and review the tape, the same movies keep playing, and we see their sequels and reboots, over and over again. If the species survives I'm sure future economists and sociologists will puzzle as much over the systemic dysfunction by way of our inflexibility as we shake our heads over the ancient human carnage of feudalism and slavery, which we're now well on our way to re-creating and have indeed already recreated in many places across the globe at present.
And this complexity, this richness of possibility that even the best of us can only ever partially understand as it is happening - much less predict in future terms - is all prior-to the issue of politics, it's just the economics and the sociology of the deal.
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 4:31:03 GMT -5
yes, the core Brexit group in the UK might be heard to say that. There's also suggestions (backed with a degree of evidence), that the EU was planned from the end of the 2nd world war, with Germany at the very heart of it. I can't say I know enough about this to have an opinion. What I DO know is that in Germany right now, they have segregation camps. It is strikingly ugly given their history. They are called 'quarantine' camps and are designed for those that break the rules. ''It's for your safety''. Wooooah! I just googled that. See now this goes against every grain of my being and I have a very strong reaction to it. yes, same. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 4:40:28 GMT -5
Amazing! You’d think they’d also have a better understanding how to build our immune system too. Many naturopaths and ayuverdic practitioners are up in arms at the lack of information given by Governments in simple immune building supplements, herbs etc. In a pandemic, wonder why they don’t hand them out for free. Mmm let me think.. big pharma $$$$$. That's what a vaccine is! You're teaching your immune system about a new disease, without actually getting the live disease. It's amazing. I think the word 'teaching' is a slightly positive slant on the new one. To take a slightly negative slant, could say the immune system is being 'tricked' by the encoded information into building new proteins. Again though, it's interesting that we both speak of the immune system as if it is a 'thing' that can be taught or tricked. I think that whether people want the vaccine or not ties in with how they understand (unconsciously) this alleged 'immune system', and yet I never seeing it being discussed. I never hear phone ins with people saying....'how should we think of the immune system? Is it a computer? It is alive? Is it an intelligence? Should we consider it a friend? Or something to be cautious of?' |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 4:43:19 GMT -5
Hi Esponja. Without getting into the 'Big Pharma' conversation. I gather that you were raised in the UK and then moved out to Australia? I can bring up the complete list of all the jabs I had as a child in the 1970's and the dates. This list includes Polio. Rotavirus. Diphtheria. Tetanus. Whooping cough. 5 strains of Meningitis. Rubella, Mumps and Measles. And a Pneumococcal vaccine. We also vaccine teenage girls against cervical cancer now. I'm all for keeping yourself well and taking preventative supplements. Though there is a serious conversation that says vaccines are an essential aspect of healthy human societies. I don't deny that there have been some extreme disasters with medications as Thalidomide proved in the 5 years between 1957 and 1962. Though personally I don't think for one minute that we are in that domain. We’re fully vaccinated too. My daughter just had the cervix one and my naturopath was not impressed, she said she’s seeing more young ladies with issues than ever before. I believe we are out of balance. There is way too much ADD, ADHD, allergies etc etc etc and that’s because our microbiome is out of whack. We are moving away from nature and I do not think it’s a good thing. I also believe your beliefs shape your reality so if you think you need the covid vaccine, best to get it. I also believe everything has a frequency, from fear to healing. I tune into health. My faves to follow this year have been Zach Bush MD and Dr Bruce Lipton. I love how we can all have such differing beliefs on these subjects. We are nothing more than our programming. I've listened to Bruce a couple of times in the last year, yeah he's cool. He's far more excited than I imagined from having read some of the chapters in his book, I imagined a fairly serious character, but he's really not. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 5:49:03 GMT -5
I think the word 'teaching' is a slightly positive slant on the new one. To take a slightly negative slant, could say the immune system is being 'tricked' by the encoded information into building new proteins. Again though, it's interesting that we both speak of the immune system as if it is a 'thing' that can be taught or tricked. I think that whether people want the vaccine or not ties in with how they understand (unconsciously) this alleged 'immune system', and yet I never seeing it being discussed. I never hear phone ins with people saying....'how should we think of the immune system? Is it a computer? It is alive? Is it an intelligence? Should we consider it a friend? Or something to be cautious of?' I think a lot of the conspiracy folks worst fears are all converging at this moment in time. Perhaps I should clarify, I don't mean that 'Bill Gates is trying to trick your immune system' lol I meant the actual technical process of the vaccine could be described as a 'tricking'. I'm looking at this from the 'point of view' of the alleged immune system. But....yea....their fears are converging because there's so much truth to the conspiracy. Xi Jinping opened the WEF In Davos yesterday, and pledged support for the ''Reset''. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 5:53:30 GMT -5
What happens, when either: nothing happens, or as it turned out it wasn't nearly as bad as you thought it would be What do you mean 'nothing happens' though? Hasn't the last year been 'pretty bad' and a bunch of crazy stuff HAS happened? If you are talking about the potential of a 'Reset' which comes with increased centralization of power/wealth, and includes technologies like vaccine passports......well......I only see it as a potential, not a certainty. I do believe the 0.1% are attempting to consolidate power/wealth globally, but that doesn't mean that I think they'll get what they want, and to that end, the conspiracists are playing a valuable role in 'waking people up' to it. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 6:07:09 GMT -5
Perhaps I should clarify, I don't mean that 'Bill Gates is trying to trick your immune system' lol I meant the actual technical process of the vaccine could be described as a 'tricking'. I'm looking at this from the 'point of view' of the alleged immune system. But....yea....their fears are converging because there's so much truth to the conspiracy. Xi Jinping opened the WEF In Davos yesterday, and pledged support for the ''Reset''. I meant with the virus and the economic and the political and the vaccine.. and whatever else, intertwined and all happening now. There are a lot of unknowns, and I think people sometimes fill in the blanks with ridiculous answers. yes I agree they do, but sometimes those ridiculous answers are true, and it's probably better that we have the speculation than not have it. So what was considered ridiculous 2 years ago (or 5 or 10 years ago) has turned out to be 'not ridiculous'. Some of it may still be ridiculous though. I like what Russell Brand said in his video...we don't actually need to deal with the ideas that seem ridiculous these days (e.g lizards), because there's so much already there on the table for us to look at. Wealth and power transfer is there to see. The Reset is a 'thing'. There have been corporations and governments that talk about vaccine passports and new forms of technological id's. It's okay to bury our head in the sand on these issues on the basis that it's not good focus to consider these things (and I do think that's a very valid point and worth discussing itself), but we can't bury our heads in the sand on the basis that they are 'ridiculous'. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 6:36:45 GMT -5
yes I agree they do, but sometimes those ridiculous answers are true, and it's probably better that we have the speculation than not have it. So what was considered ridiculous 2 years ago (or 5 or 10 years ago) has turned out to be 'not ridiculous'. Some of it may still be ridiculous though. I like what Russell Brand said in his video...we don't actually need to deal with the ideas that seem ridiculous these days (e.g lizards), because there's so much already there on the table for us to look at. Wealth and power transfer is there to see. The Reset is a 'thing'. There have been corporations and governments that talk about vaccine passports and new forms of technological id's. It's okay to bury our head in the sand on these issues on the basis that it's not good focus to consider these things (and I do think that's a very valid point and worth discussing itself), but we can't bury our heads in the sand on the basis that they are 'ridiculous'. Speculation is non stop monkey mind isn't it? All politics is monkey mind. Economics is monkey mind. Business is monkey mind. Masks are monkey mind (BIG time). Hating Trump is monkey mind. It's an interesting time we live in, because previously, 'the world' has allowed us to get away from 'monkey mind' to a great extent. But these days, even spiritual folks consider politics, health mandates etc. We can't really avoid consideration of these issues (though meditation still good obviously). So the real question is, if we can't get rid of the monkey mind, how does our spirituality inform our monkey minding? |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 6:37:37 GMT -5
I prefer a simpler approach.. deal with whatever is happening now, now, and then deal with whatever happens later, later. But that's not what you do. You were arguing/campaigning for a new future president for ages. You got quite strongly emotionally involved in it. Are you getting the vaccine? When will you decide? You will make a decision BEFORE it goes in your arm. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 6:42:45 GMT -5
e.g how does our spirituality inform our view of the alleged 'immune system'?
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I wish you the best. 
