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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 8:14:20 GMT -5
But that's not what you do. You were arguing/campaigning for a new future president for ages. You got quite strongly emotionally involved in it. Are you getting the vaccine? When will you decide? You will make a decision BEFORE it goes in your arm. how do you know what I do? you've made conclusions, based on assumptions, which you've imagined, and which are wrong. you've surmised.. you've extrapolated.. you've taken a small amount of information and then built an elaborate story; based on, and perpetuating, fiction. do you have expertise in knowing what is true and what is not? You surely aren't denying your emotional investment in getting Trump out?  Come on dude, I've seen your conversations on the forums for the last years. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 8:20:35 GMT -5
e.g how does our spirituality inform our view of the alleged 'immune system'? What is the immune system? The body's natural response to harmful intruders.. sometimes it's good when it helps fend off the flu, or a problem when it rejects an organ transplant.. what do you mean by 'natural' response? We can observe what the body DOES as a response and how it does it, but we don't ultimately know 'why'. So then we make up mystical concepts to explain why. Even 'life' is mystical. 'Nature' is mystical. Which is fine, I love a bit of mysticism, but we must consider our relationship to what is mystical. |
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Post by zazeniac on Jan 26, 2021 8:36:10 GMT -5
There is an equivalent characterization of government as a bogeyman, that nothing government does is right. This seems to me a generalization that is limiting. The question is "what" government, those riddled with corruption (usually corrupting moneyed influence) don't necessarily benefit the people. they are supposed to represent. But there have been quite successful government enterprises. My point about sex slavery is that the markets aren't inherently moral. They will tolerate slavery and starvation, abuses of the worse kind. As to Microsoft, I don't see things as you do. My background is also in software. I found Linux to be a much better product than Windows and am sorry that it didn't gain acceptance due to MS's financial leverage. Both capitalism and socialism are static ideologies, but what they apply to is dynamic, and, ultimately defies complete apprehension by abstraction. So, what we see over time are these cycles, and at certain points, one approach will lead to greater societal prosperity, while the other won't, and vice-versa. For example, the early labor unions that formed in response to Frick and Carnegie resulted in major legitimate social gains for the overall greater good, while the UAW of the late 20th century is arguably as responsible - by way of excess - for the demise of the U.S. auto industry as the greed and bad decisions of the quarterly-driven public company management. Genuinely free markets lead to a scenario where to be anti-business is to be essentially anti-life, but market power left unfettered naturally consolidates into either an oligopoly or a monopoly. It's sort of a Universal fractal pattern that we see reflected, for instance, in our current theory of the way that solar systems form. Another example: state investment in education leads at first to a profoundly more productive population but then again, constantly pumping public money into the University system is one of the primary causes of tuition inflation, which is similar to what led to the '08 mortgage bust. Anyone with any interest in history can go and review the tape, the same movies keep playing, and we see their sequels and reboots, over and over again. If the species survives I'm sure future economists and sociologists will puzzle as much over the systemic dysfunction by way of our inflexibility as we shake our heads over the ancient human carnage of feudalism and slavery, which we're now well on our way to re-creating and have indeed already recreated in many places across the globe at present.
And this complexity, this richness of possibility that even the best of us can only ever partially understand as it is happening - much less predict in future terms - is all prior-to the issue of politics, it's just the economics and the sociology of the deal.
We're not far apart in our views. Only I see you as an Ezra Pound type genius seduced by Mussulini's bravado. 😁 Definitely one of the most talented poets around. |
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Post by esponja on Jan 26, 2021 9:15:12 GMT -5
We’re fully vaccinated too. My daughter just had the cervix one and my naturopath was not impressed, she said she’s seeing more young ladies with issues than ever before. I believe we are out of balance. There is way too much ADD, ADHD, allergies etc etc etc and that’s because our microbiome is out of whack. We are moving away from nature and I do not think it’s a good thing. I also believe your beliefs shape your reality so if you think you need the covid vaccine, best to get it. I also believe everything has a frequency, from fear to healing. I tune into health. My faves to follow this year have been Zach Bush MD and Dr Bruce Lipton. I love how we can all have such differing beliefs on these subjects. We are nothing more than our programming. I've listened to Bruce a couple of times in the last year, yeah he's cool. He's far more excited than I imagined from having read some of the chapters in his book, I imagined a fairly serious character, but he's really not. He knows a thing or two 😜 |
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Post by zazeniac on Jan 26, 2021 9:47:01 GMT -5
Got the Moderna vaccine last night and though I have a history of anaphylaxis (shellfish) and asthma, there were no side effects, except a slight twitch of the middle finger whenever I see folks without a mask. It keeps popping straight up. Damn, so embarrassing!
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 10:06:33 GMT -5
You surely aren't denying your emotional investment in getting Trump out? Come on dude, I've seen your conversations on the forums for the last years. who cares about in the moment political opinions? they come and they go, and they don't define you my current opinion, and one I'd expect to take to the grave.. is that Trump is a liar, a horrible man, a terrible executive, and a danger to all living things that come in his path  haha well I don't feel the need to argue that point, and expressing our truth freely is good for the old throat chakra  |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 10:08:51 GMT -5
what do you mean by 'natural' response? We can observe what the body DOES as a response and how it does it, but we don't ultimately know 'why'. So then we make up mystical concepts to explain why. Even 'life' is mystical. 'Nature' is mystical. Which is fine, I love a bit of mysticism, but we must consider our relationship to what is mystical. natural is 'built in'.. encoded in the dna on how to build operate and maintain this living vessel I guess yeah sounds reasonable, but why does it do such a thing? Science can address the 'how', but there's barely a human alive that doesn't like to engage with some degree of mysticism...even the scientists. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 26, 2021 10:10:08 GMT -5
Got the Moderna vaccine last night and though I have a history of anaphylaxis (shellfish) and asthma, there were no side effects, except a slight twitch of the middle finger whenever I see folks without a mask. It keeps popping straight up. darn, so embarrassing! You know Fauci now wants you to double mask, right? It will be very selfish if you don't! I'm going to wear 5 so I can virtue signal everyone! |
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Post by zazeniac on Jan 26, 2021 10:57:59 GMT -5
Got the Moderna vaccine last night and though I have a history of anaphylaxis (shellfish) and asthma, there were no side effects, except a slight twitch of the middle finger whenever I see folks without a mask. It keeps popping straight up. darn, so embarrassing! You know Fauci now wants you to double mask, right? It will be very selfish if you don't! I'm going to wear 5 so I can virtue signal everyone! Feeling the middle finger twitch coming on.😁 |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2021 11:09:24 GMT -5
Both capitalism and socialism are static ideologies, but what they apply to is dynamic, and, ultimately defies complete apprehension by abstraction. So, what we see over time are these cycles, and at certain points, one approach will lead to greater societal prosperity, while the other won't, and vice-versa. For example, the early labor unions that formed in response to Frick and Carnegie resulted in major legitimate social gains for the overall greater good, while the UAW of the late 20th century is arguably as responsible - by way of excess - for the demise of the U.S. auto industry as the greed and bad decisions of the quarterly-driven public company management. Genuinely free markets lead to a scenario where to be anti-business is to be essentially anti-life, but market power left unfettered naturally consolidates into either an oligopoly or a monopoly. It's sort of a Universal fractal pattern that we see reflected, for instance, in our current theory of the way that solar systems form. Another example: state investment in education leads at first to a profoundly more productive population but then again, constantly pumping public money into the University system is one of the primary causes of tuition inflation, which is similar to what led to the '08 mortgage bust. Anyone with any interest in history can go and review the tape, the same movies keep playing, and we see their sequels and reboots, over and over again. If the species survives I'm sure future economists and sociologists will puzzle as much over the systemic dysfunction by way of our inflexibility as we shake our heads over the ancient human carnage of feudalism and slavery, which we're now well on our way to re-creating and have indeed already recreated in many places across the globe at present. And this complexity, this richness of possibility that even the best of us can only ever partially understand as it is happening - much less predict in future terms - is all prior-to the issue of politics, it's just the economics and the sociology of the deal.
We're not far apart in our views. Only I see you as an Ezra Pound type genius seduced by Mussulini's bravado. 😁 Definitely one of the most talented poets around.  thanks for the kind words guy. And at the risk of condescension, I really do understand what you mean by El Duce, and can understand why you saw and see things in that terms, and always did. I could easily rattle off a list of about a half dozen of Donny's deceptions (self and outward) and conceits. But his opposition is riddled with hundreds if not thousands of petty little sociopathic would-be dictators that operate in a really dark place: contempt for the common man. As an example, what's up with HR1 if there was nothing to the "steal"?  Did you notice that one of Joe's orders is to rescind the rollback of insulin and epipen price gouging? The theory on the "left" was that changing demographics would inevitably give them a permanent electoral majority, but it's not really working out as planned. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2021 12:38:23 GMT -5
You surely aren't denying your emotional investment in getting Trump out? Come on dude, I've seen your conversations on the forums for the last years. who cares about in the moment political opinions? they come and they go, and they don't define you my current opinion, and one I'd expect to take to the grave.. is that Trump is a liar, a horrible man, a terrible executive, and a danger to all living things that come in his path Plenty of them among his opponents, they just were saavy enough to care about hiding those traits, and the media blew them up into outsized caricatured proportions. Didn't you notice them doing that? Why would they do that??  starting at 12:00 (1 min in from start time): "Trump's such a tyrant .. boy I'm bet all those people are glad they got him out of office 'cause his tweets were so mean! Yay! We got rid of the mean tweets.. <punchline>" |
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Post by esponja on Jan 26, 2021 13:45:58 GMT -5
Got the Moderna vaccine last night and though I have a history of anaphylaxis (shellfish) and asthma, there were no side effects, except a slight twitch of the middle finger whenever I see folks without a mask. It keeps popping straight up. darn, so embarrassing! That’s a lot of fear if your body is reacting to non-maskers. Have you thoight about working on that? The law of attraction gives you more of what you vibrate. Or was it a joke? 🤦🏻♀️ |
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Post by esponja on Jan 26, 2021 13:50:06 GMT -5
who cares about in the moment political opinions? they come and they go, and they don't define you my current opinion, and one I'd expect to take to the grave.. is that Trump is a liar, a horrible man, a terrible executive, and a danger to all living things that come in his path haha well I don't feel the need to argue that point, and expressing our truth freely is good for the old throat chakra Unless you support Trump, in which case don’t speak 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Talking of cancel culture, Australia Day went without the annual fireworks (even the raging fires didn’t stop them last year), no memorabilia in the shops and many protests. Seems the world wants to erradicate History and Australian Dates Matter. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2021 14:04:40 GMT -5
by the way, mr donald, the triumphant ender of endless wars and who was only denied the Noble Peace Prize because of the mean and untrustworthy media sold a disturbing amount of deadly munitions to the sheik who tortures newsmen and a history of slaughtering Yeminis. how do you square that? How many arms sales did the Obama admin deny? I honestly have no idea but my intuition would suggest zero, and if that's right it's just another example of the media+academia double-standard. Reduction of the influence of the military industrial complex starts with reducing their global role. But, no denying that Trump increased the military budget, and that sucked. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 26, 2021 14:10:19 GMT -5
Plenty of them among his opponents, they just were saavy enough to care about hiding those traits, and the media blew them up into outsized caricatured proportions. Didn't you notice them doing that? Why would they do that?? starting at 12:00 (1 min in from start time): "Trump's such a tyrant .. boy I'm bet all those people are glad they got him out of office 'cause his tweets were so mean! Yay! We got rid of the mean tweets.. <punchline>" I like Dana (which is weird considering what she speaks to) and I'll watch this later I swears what were you saying? they're all bad in their own way and that the media presented all of the trumpy stories in the worst possible light, and the real story is about that and not trumps lying harmful conduct? Oh. Wow. I just realized. Politicians lie. WOW!  The maniac suggested I've been led into a fascist trance, and that's the corporate media meme, that people like me bought a big lie on the strength of Trumps personality. ..... (omg that is soooo funny ...). It's yet another projection. There's a reason "orange man bad" is a meme: the corporate media used all of his personality flaws to evoke a negative emotional reaction that has blinded people to the facts of the opposition. You can complain about the policies you don't like all you want, but it doesn't explain the underlying deep unconsciousness. |
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thanks for the kind words guy.