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Post by zazeniac on Jan 25, 2021 17:52:57 GMT -5
This is true. Anti-trust laws, progressive taxes, social safety nets, environmental laws, plus keynesian interventions seem to make it workable. But many purists call these structural corrective remedies anti-capitalist. They believe these remedies are unnecessary, that markets can regulate themselves.The democracy component is unnecessary. There are many thriving capitalist countries that are not democracies. I'm not opposed to legalizing prostitution. I just think there's an inherent injustice in having to sell a daughter to feed your family. Here's an article in the la times about it. Prostitution of those "corrections" you mention can be unnecessary. It's tricky. In my industry for example, I remember in the 1990s everyone clamoring for the government to break up Microsoft. (Eg, anti-trust laws) They said it was horrible, and they were somewhat right. The government started to move, but never really did. The "market" (ie, people) solved the problem, and the solutions were better and more creative than what the government was planning. So it's a balance, but sometimes we are rewarded if we have the patience to wait for a solution without government control. The government threat may have helped push back Microsoft; otherwise they might have tried harder to stifle the internet. This seems relevant now given some of the recent whining about "big tech". Obviously selling another person is not prostitution; it's slavery. And the article mentions women getting beaten, drugged, chained, and raped. Those are crimes independent of prostitution. If this were the fault of capitalism, we wouldn't see Venezuelan women flooding into Colombia to work that way. There is an equivalent characterization of government as a bogeyman, that nothing government does is right. This seems to me a generalization that is limiting. The question is "what" government, those riddled with corruption (usually corrupting moneyed influence) don't necessarily benefit the people. they are supposed to represent. But there have been quite successful government enterprises. My point about sex slavery is that the markets aren't inherently moral. They will tolerate slavery and starvation, abuses of the worse kind. As to Microsoft, I don't see things as you do. My background is also in software. I found Linux to be a much better product than Windows and am sorry that it didn't gain acceptance due to MS's financial leverage. |
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Post by esponja on Jan 25, 2021 18:39:57 GMT -5
I know. I do what I cam and try not to stress about it all too much too. don't forget, we've all turned into a bunch of babies  our great great grandpappies ate things a billygoat wouldn't They also handled ‘death’ better. |
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Post by esponja on Jan 25, 2021 18:41:16 GMT -5
Ha. I'm no expert on Europe, but I heard some Europeans complaining about how powerful Germany is now. "I guess they were going to own Europe, one way or another." yes, the core Brexit group in the UK might be heard to say that. There's also suggestions (backed with a degree of evidence), that the EU was planned from the end of the 2nd world war, with Germany at the very heart of it. I can't say I know enough about this to have an opinion. What I DO know is that in Germany right now, they have segregation camps. It is strikingly ugly given their history. They are called 'quarantine' camps and are designed for those that break the rules. ''It's for your safety''. Wooooah! I just googled that. See now this goes against every grain of my being and I have a very strong reaction to it. |
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Post by esponja on Jan 25, 2021 19:23:29 GMT -5
They are treatments more than prophylactics, though Ivermectin is actually being used successfully as prophylactic in some countries. Consider that an experimental vaccine was rushed through. I'm not saying I believe it's unsafe, just that it is new technology with no knowledge of long term outcomes. Yet doctors in USA and UK were denied access to tried and trusted medicines that have been used for years, and which are being used successfully in other countries to treat covid. In a normal situation, I could perhaps understand US and UK doctors would want to test Ivermectin and HCQ over a period of several months specifically for covid. But I'm sure, like me, you are told every day, relentlessly by the media, that this is a crisis situation...a disaster even. Given the context, there's no justifiable reason for not using those tried and trusted drugs, that have been recommended by doctors abroad. EXCEPT...and perhaps this is a key factor...the vaccine is considered an 'emergency' treatment. Now here in the UK (not sure about the US) emergency medicine cannot be pushed through if there are safe, existing, effective treatments already available. So in the UK at least, the vaccine was chosen as 'the solution'. Meanwhile, thousands have died in a harsh winter, with a crumbling national health service, because doctors have NO medicine to treat people with until they even get to the hospital. Both Ivermectin and HCQ can be used at an early stage (and are best used at an early stage) i.e before hospital. FWIW I heard some researchers discuss the "rushed" aspect of the RNA vaccines last night. They said that the research that led to the vaccines began 11 years ago, and had reached a point by 2020 that numerous different companies that had been working with the technology almost immediately realized that a vaccine could be developed based upon that past research. They agreed that in normal circumstances it might have taken an additional year of testing to get FDA approval, but they strongly refuted the idea that the development was rushed. The only thing that was speeded up was the emergency authorization by the FDA. They claimed that the decade of prior research was being ignored by people who thought that the production of the vaccines was somehow much faster than the development of other vaccines in the past. My understanding is that the only prophylactic treatment that has shown a high degree of efficacy in preventing the virus or reducing the effects of the virus is the monoclonal antibody co*ktail that Trump, Christie, and Guliani initially received and has now become administered more widely in nursing homes and elsewhere. Amazing! You’d think they’d also have a better understanding how to build our immune system too. Many naturopaths and ayuverdic practitioners are up in arms at the lack of information given by Governments in simple immune building supplements, herbs etc. In a pandemic, wonder why they don’t hand them out for free. Mmm let me think.. big pharma $$$$$. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 19:32:16 GMT -5
FWIW I heard some researchers discuss the "rushed" aspect of the RNA vaccines last night. They said that the research that led to the vaccines began 11 years ago, and had reached a point by 2020 that numerous different companies that had been working with the technology almost immediately realized that a vaccine could be developed based upon that past research. They agreed that in normal circumstances it might have taken an additional year of testing to get FDA approval, but they strongly refuted the idea that the development was rushed. The only thing that was speeded up was the emergency authorization by the FDA. They claimed that the decade of prior research was being ignored by people who thought that the production of the vaccines was somehow much faster than the development of other vaccines in the past. My understanding is that the only prophylactic treatment that has shown a high degree of efficacy in preventing the virus or reducing the effects of the virus is the monoclonal antibody co*ktail that Trump, Christie, and Guliani initially received and has now become administered more widely in nursing homes and elsewhere. Amazing! You’d think they’d also have a better understanding how to build our immune system too. Many naturopaths and ayuverdic practitioners are up in arms at the lack of information given by Governments in simple immune building supplements, herbs etc. In a pandemic, wonder why they don’t hand them out for free. Mmm let me think.. big pharma $$$$$. That's what a vaccine is! You're teaching your immune system about a new disease, without actually getting the live disease. It's amazing. |
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Post by esponja on Jan 25, 2021 19:44:23 GMT -5
Amazing! You’d think they’d also have a better understanding how to build our immune system too. Many naturopaths and ayuverdic practitioners are up in arms at the lack of information given by Governments in simple immune building supplements, herbs etc. In a pandemic, wonder why they don’t hand them out for free. Mmm let me think.. big pharma $$$$$. That's what a vaccine is! You're teaching your immune system about a new disease, without actually getting the live disease. It's amazing. You have a natural immune system with no side effects too 👍🏼 (No money in that though!) |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 25, 2021 21:47:34 GMT -5
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Post by inavalan on Jan 25, 2021 21:55:27 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 21:55:56 GMT -5
That's what a vaccine is! You're teaching your immune system about a new disease, without actually getting the live disease. It's amazing. You have a natural immune system with no side effects too 👍🏼 (No money in that though!) Hi Esponja. Without getting into the 'Big Pharma' conversation. I gather that you were raised in the UK and then moved out to Australia? I can bring up the complete list of all the jabs I had as a child in the 1970's and the dates. This list includes Polio. Rotavirus. Diphtheria. Tetanus. Whooping cough. 5 strains of Meningitis. Rubella, Mumps and Measles. And a Pneumococcal vaccine. We also vaccine teenage girls against cervical cancer now. I'm all for keeping yourself well and taking preventative supplements. Though there is a serious conversation that says vaccines are an essential aspect of healthy human societies. I don't deny that there have been some extreme disasters with medications as Thalidomide proved in the 5 years between 1957 and 1962. Though personally I don't think for one minute that we are in that domain. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 22:13:18 GMT -5
Hi Inavalan. I glanced at your link and it's headline is already out of date. Julian Assange's extradition was overturned by the British Judiciary three weeks ago. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55528241(Which personally makes me doubt anything else the site has to offer.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 22:31:53 GMT -5
Oh my how 2016 taught us Americans how never ever EVER vote for a third party, which has no chance of success, but can siphon away just enough votes to put a madman in the chair! To be honest  this is how Boris Johnson got his 'stonking' victory in December 2019 as well. Once the Brexit Party stood down the majority of their candidates. The way was clear for those that wanted to 'Get Brexit Done.' To give their vote to him. Resulting in the 43.6% vote share that he got. Though if you add all of the 'Remain in the EU' candidates together.. including Labour 32.2%, Liberal Democrat 11.5%, Scottish National Party 3.9% and the Greens 2.7%.. the whole picture looks very different. Click the Expand All Results button in this link to see the complete data. www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2019/results |
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Post by esponja on Jan 25, 2021 22:31:55 GMT -5
You have a natural immune system with no side effects too 👍🏼 (No money in that though!) Hi Esponja. Without getting into the 'Big Pharma' conversation. I gather that you were raised in the UK and then moved out to Australia? I can bring up the complete list of all the jabs I had as a child in the 1970's and the dates. This list includes Polio. Rotavirus. Diphtheria. Tetanus. Whooping cough. 5 strains of Meningitis. Rubella, Mumps and Measles. And a Pneumococcal vaccine. We also vaccine teenage girls against cervical cancer now. I'm all for keeping yourself well and taking preventative supplements. Though there is a serious conversation that says vaccines are an essential aspect of healthy human societies. I don't deny that there have been some extreme disasters with medications as Thalidomide proved in the 5 years between 1957 and 1962. Though personally I don't think for one minute that we are in that domain. We’re fully vaccinated too. My daughter just had the cervix one and my naturopath was not impressed, she said she’s seeing more young ladies with issues than ever before. I believe we are out of balance. There is way too much ADD, ADHD, allergies etc etc etc and that’s because our microbiome is out of whack. We are moving away from nature and I do not think it’s a good thing. I also believe your beliefs shape your reality so if you think you need the covid vaccine, best to get it. I also believe everything has a frequency, from fear to healing. I tune into health. My faves to follow this year have been Zach Bush MD and Dr Bruce Lipton. I love how we can all have such differing beliefs on these subjects. We are nothing more than our programming. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 22:49:53 GMT -5
Hi Esponja. Without getting into the 'Big Pharma' conversation. I gather that you were raised in the UK and then moved out to Australia? I can bring up the complete list of all the jabs I had as a child in the 1970's and the dates. This list includes Polio. Rotavirus. Diphtheria. Tetanus. Whooping cough. 5 strains of Meningitis. Rubella, Mumps and Measles. And a Pneumococcal vaccine. We also vaccine teenage girls against cervical cancer now. I'm all for keeping yourself well and taking preventative supplements. Though there is a serious conversation that says vaccines are an essential aspect of healthy human societies. I don't deny that there have been some extreme disasters with medications as Thalidomide proved in the 5 years between 1957 and 1962. Though personally I don't think for one minute that we are in that domain. We’re fully vaccinated too. My daughter just had the cervix one and my naturopath was not impressed, she said she’s seeing more young ladies with issues than ever before. I believe we are out of balance. There is way too much ADD, ADHD, allergies etc etc etc and that’s because our microbiome is out of whack. We are moving away from nature and I do not think it’s a good thing. I also believe your beliefs shape your reality so if you think you need the covid vaccine, best to get it. I also believe everything has a frequency, from fear to healing. I tune into health. My faves to follow this year have been Zach Bush MD and Dr Bruce Lipton. I love how we can all have such differing beliefs on these subjects. We are nothing more than our programming. Yeah. It's always hard to know whether those issues and the seeing of them, are your naturopath's beliefs shaping her reality as well though. Things can get real subtle at some ends of the spectrum. Yeah people are being given an opportunity to look a lot more closely at their relationship with food during all of this. And that's definitely needed. I don't think I need the vaccine in a health sense. I doubt whether I would ever come into contact with a viral load sufficient to make me seriously ill, and as I work outside with a variety of bacteria and microbes, my immune system is constantly being updated. Though I work for a lot of elderly people, and I feel I have a responsibility to them. I don't have to make up my mind yet as I won't be on a list much before August I imagine. Yeah yeah.. I've seen some of what those guys have to say and it makes sense. And yeah, it's certainly given people a chance to find out what they really believe. |
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Post by esponja on Jan 25, 2021 23:14:03 GMT -5
We’re fully vaccinated too. My daughter just had the cervix one and my naturopath was not impressed, she said she’s seeing more young ladies with issues than ever before. I believe we are out of balance. There is way too much ADD, ADHD, allergies etc etc etc and that’s because our microbiome is out of whack. We are moving away from nature and I do not think it’s a good thing. I also believe your beliefs shape your reality so if you think you need the covid vaccine, best to get it. I also believe everything has a frequency, from fear to healing. I tune into health. My faves to follow this year have been Zach Bush MD and Dr Bruce Lipton. I love how we can all have such differing beliefs on these subjects. We are nothing more than our programming. Yeah. It's always hard to know whether those issues and the seeing of them, are your naturopath's beliefs shaping her reality as well though. Things can get real subtle at some ends of the spectrum. Yeah people are being given an opportunity to look a lot more closely at their relationship with food during all of this. And that's definitely needed. I don't think I need the vaccine in a health sense. I doubt whether I would ever come into contact with a viral load sufficient to make me seriously ill, and as I work outside with a variety of bacteria and microbes, my immune system is constantly being updated. Though I work for a lot of elderly people, and I feel I have a responsibility to them. I don't have to make up my mind yet as I won't be on a list much before August I imagine. Yeah yeah.. I've seen some of what those guys have to say and it makes sense. And yeah, it's certainly given people a chance to find out what they really believe. Honestly, this year has been so nuts in many ways, I’ve investigated and gone to places I would never have been before. I keep coming back to ‘beliefs’ nothing is right or wrong only thinking makes it so.. Nonduality takes it a step further and where you observe it all..... there’s hardly any proof of anything. The great awakening indeed. Off topic somewhat but I was just listening to this vid, every now and then I come back to him: m.youtube.com/watch?v=YlVrOUYHxtw&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0XQHwZLomzEMWwcKxZ5YxyK9Ajj4wz8heAC8-3yOkjoV_ntFG0hY60hdo |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 0:08:10 GMT -5
That is uneducated nonsense that can get people killed if they believe it. Take a biology class. |
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this is how Boris Johnson got his 'stonking' victory in December 2019 as well. Once the Brexit Party stood down the majority of their candidates. The way was clear for those that wanted to 'Get Brexit Done.' To give their vote to him. Resulting in the 43.6% vote share that he got.