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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2021 4:28:59 GMT -5
I'm 99% sure I won't ever vote again. That's if there IS another opportunity to vote again Why not go Green? |
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Post by esponja on Jan 25, 2021 5:26:10 GMT -5
For me, Russell has become one of the most balanced and insightful thinkers in the public eye. His new one today worth a watch. We are very aligned in our thinking Andrew, have read your posts. Brand being quite careful. Understandably. Comments are interesting. |
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Post by esponja on Jan 25, 2021 5:28:45 GMT -5
I hear you’re locked up/down until Summer Andrew???
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Post by laughter on Jan 25, 2021 6:09:00 GMT -5
Right, it's certainly possible that the only significant difference in the mechanism between traditional vaccines and mRNA are in the way it's manufactured, ie: that the functionality of a polio vaccine produced in a chicken egg is theoretically the exact same as an mRNA version. I don't know enough about the subject to do other than speculate, either way. But one concern might be that a vaccine can theoretically be manufactured to produce more than one protein, with the producer advertising only one of them. If this idea sounds paranoid, it's because it is, but just 'cause yer' paranoid don't mean they's aint out to git ya'!  .. but even short of the funny folksy old aphorism, you see, all I've done is note the theoretical possibility. One significant factor that lends a viral-nature to speculation from that point is the dystopian aspect of the lockdowns and other social controls. Another potentially valid concern from what (very very little) I've read is that mRNA has the potential to deploy far more complex and far more controlled cell stimulation than injecting the material copied using the old techniques. This raises the question of unintended consequences. For example, my understanding is that genetic modification of agricultural crops leads to strains that don't produce viable seeds, and that there can be inadvertent cross-pollination that interferes with traditional farming, and that Monsanto even used the law to put some farmer's out of business in the cases where the modified seeds could reproduce. It's not a direct comparison, but it is an example of how genetic technology has already resulted in an oppressive dystopian mess. These conspiratorial concerns are relevant to the issue of cooperation with people claiming to be legitimate authorities, both legal and otherwise. By contrast, worrying about the possibility of a significant viral-based bio weapon is sort of the same concern as a nuclear holocaust. IOW: ain't really nothin' new under the Sun. (just ask a t-rex skeleton)  Someone just sent the video of Bill Gates addressing the CIA and talking of a project called Fundvax in 2015. It’s a recording where he explains which part of the brain recognises religion. I ‘duck duck go’d’ it- totally debunked. So much rubbish gets circulated these days. I don’t particularly trust the guy though... His software was always buggy, prone to virus attack, and rumored to have been riddled with undocumented back doors for admin access planted by contract coders. This makes it rather quizzical to me that some of the corporate media about the mRNA vaccines (that he's at least tangentially associated with) actually use the operating system metaphor in their pitch. As I've said, I'm reluctant to buy into some of the conspiracy theories, on the sole grounds that I simply don't have any inside information, but I can understand why some people start believing them. Made me laugh to see this headline: "Creepy Bill Gates Now the Largest Holder of U.S. Farmland, What's He Up to Now??  " |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2021 6:18:14 GMT -5
Elect better leaders. Hold them accountable. And over 65% support of public opinion usually gets politicians attention and a change in course if necessary. Sounds good in theory, but more often than not, we're left with a realistic choice between 2 awful candidates. I think the system is broken (well, I say that, but it serves a very small group of people I guess) |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2021 6:20:17 GMT -5
I agree that Johnson constantly tries to patch up his latest disaster with some kind of spin  But all it serves to do is heighten anxiety in the public. The blame on the public is always, 'you didn't follow the rules'. So then the public turn on each other, getting in each other's business, confronting each other, reporting each other. When the fact is that the failings in the last year....even from a non-conspiracy perspective.....are all down to the Tories. Sounds like a narcissist. Stockholm syndrome is alive and well. 'Stockholm Syndrome' has crossed my mind many times. There's an abuse check list doing the rounds on social media, it's quite astounding how many of the boxes can be checked off. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2021 6:30:38 GMT -5
I'm 99% sure I won't ever vote again. That's if there IS another opportunity to vote again Why not go Green? Actually, now you mention it, I'm not necessarily opposed to that. Certainly, some of their policies superficially appeal to me. I say 'superficially' because as Russell expressed, I have a concern that 'green issues' and 'social justice' issues can be used by corporations to FURTHER establish corporate aristocracy/oligarchy. I'm not sure I want all my food provided by Monsanto. I think capitalism is damaging and wouldn't be sorry to see the back of it, but equally, I'm very cautious right now of the paths that the 0.1% MAY want to take us down...their solutions would sound appealing of course, they can't just 'force' folks to accept their ideas, the ideas still have to be accepted to an extent. Vaccine passports? It's for your safety! |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2021 6:32:42 GMT -5
Someone just sent the video of Bill Gates addressing the CIA and talking of a project called Fundvax in 2015. It’s a recording where he explains which part of the brain recognises religion. I ‘duck duck go’d’ it- totally debunked. So much rubbish gets circulated these days. I don’t particularly trust the guy though... His software was always buggy, prone to virus attack, and rumored to have been riddled with undocumented back doors for admin access planted by contract coders. This makes it rather quizzical to me that some of the corporate media about the mRNA vaccines (that he's at least tangentially associated with) actually use the operating system metaphor in their pitch. As I've said, I'm reluctant to buy into some of the conspiracy theories, on the sole grounds that I simply don't have any inside information, but I can understand why some people start believing them. Made me laugh to see this headline: "Creepy Bill Gates Now the Largest Holder of U.S. Farmland, What's He Up to Now?? " Yes the 'back door' issue is a quite common concern I've seen expressed, but my technical knowledge is so poor that I would sound a complete buffoon trying to talk about it. Even to my conspiracy ears it sounds far fetched, then again, I don't rule stuff out. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2021 7:09:58 GMT -5
I hear you’re locked up/down until Summer Andrew??? There's a lot of mixed reports, I don't think they know yet. One of the BBC reporters will tell us when the government want us to know lol The Tories aren't a ubiquitous bunch (thankfully). There are conflicts within the Tory party. As said, I don't really know who is honest, who is ignorant and guilty of cronyism, and who may be associated with a deeper agenda. There's a small handful of Tories very opposed to lockdowns. There are some that would only accept it on a limited basis. I suspect Matt Hanc.ock would be willing to have lockdown all year. As for Johnson....I just don't know, I feel he's confused himself. Other people I know are more cynical of his intentions (''build, back, better'') The opposition, Labour, strike me as totally irrelevant right now. The balance of power has now shifted towards the centre in Labour, I have no interest in them anymore, I see them as strongly pro-corporate now, in their own way, perhaps even more corporate than even the mixed bag of conservatives. Just my opinion of course, I try and look from different angles, but obviously my views can't be said to represent the overall public sentiment. I am more cynical than most probably. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2021 7:36:12 GMT -5
An example today of an issue that raises philosophical questions (only half the article available) The dairy used to produce traditional 'formula milk' is contributing to greenhouse gas issues (apparently) Gates's solution is to produce the formula from cultured human mammary cells. Again, I don't know enough about the issue to meaningfully contribute, but instinctively, my reaction will these kinds of things is that Nature does fine without all our manipulations. Our manipulations contributed to the fcuking up of the environment to start with. More manipulation to treat manipulation? Similarly, I guess you guys know that meat can be created in a lab now (I believe is being sold in some parts of the world). I was a vegetarian for several years (I eat meat now), so rationally, I should be able to see the appeal of lab created meat. But my instinct says, 'no thanks'. I'd rather an animal was given a wonderful life and killed humanely and we eat the meat in appreciation and gratitude for what the animal gave us I feel these are spiritual issues. Always interested in the opinion of other spiritual oriented folks.... Oh yeah, article here www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bill-gates-backs-artificial-breast-milk-to-nurture-green-living-f6k99d5h2 |
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Post by esponja on Jan 25, 2021 8:17:27 GMT -5
as so it was prophesied  That's a really good picture because it captures a key event in world history and also gives some hints about the next higher level of reality many here are not even aware of because you will never see it explained in the news media. "All the world's a stage" as they say, and whatever happens on that stage happens for a reason. Below are some more pictures that captured key events on that stage and that should make it clear that things are not really what they seem, that the stories we get presented in the news media are just that, stories. Now, we are all looking at the exact same stage, but we all see different things and react differently to whatever happens on that stage based on how we make sense of what's happening there. And how we make sense of what's happening there depends on what stories we find most conclusive. And depending on our own level of awareness, we will find some narratives more conclusive than others. The narrative that is aimed at the people with the lowest level of awareness is presented in the MSM (blue pill). This narrative is very simplistic and allows only for very basic explanations of events. In fact, a lot of events that are happening on the stage actually can't be explained on that level. Whenever that happens, you will see certain topics either totally ignored or declared taboo in order to keep the narrative between these well-defined, very narrow lines. But not everyone feels comfortable in such a tiny mental box. And for those people there exist more complex stories (red pill), usually presented by non-MSM sources, that are almost as easily available as the MSM sources, but which are not promoted in the way the MSM narrative is promoted (one has to go look for them, although some just show up magically the suggested video column on youtube). And while the red pill narrative is able to explain a lot more events that are happening on the stage than the blue pill narrative, most red pill narratives have one big disadvantage: instead of just expanding the blue pill perspective by simply adding more details, they turn the blue pill perspective on its head and by doing so, the two narratives, instead of enhancing each other, they become incompatible. And the red pill narrative, in the end, is also just a story, and similar to the blue pill narrative, designed to direct attention along a certain path into a certain direction. So some people at some point will even find that rather roomy mental box as too limiting. And there is indeed another level beyond the red pill level. But unlike on the red pill level, here it is extremely difficult to find any sources at all. And if one is lucky enough to find them, they often disappear after a while because they rarely get shared or copied. And on that level of the narrative, one doesn't just gain more insights on the sequence and mechanics of the events unfolding on the stage, but the stage itself, its dimensions and function. So here are some more images of key world events that have the potential of taking one's understanding to the next level:       Now, all these events happened on the stage, for everyone to see. And I think we all know the lowest level explanation of these events (MSM), some may even know the next higher level explanation (anons). But what do these events really mean? And who are these people, really? How did they get on that stage? And most importantly: what does that all have to do with us? That’s gold. I follow mostly. The 3rd layer is.. the quantum realm where we create our own reality and none of rhis affects us. How come many non-dualists arn’t looking at any alternative narratives, i.e Mooji, Tolle etc they seem to be (on the face of it) falling for the msn. Mooji even remarked when George Flotyd was murdered which I found interesting. |
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Post by esponja on Jan 25, 2021 8:17:53 GMT -5
🤯typos...
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2021 8:24:43 GMT -5
That's a really good picture because it captures a key event in world history and also gives some hints about the next higher level of reality many here are not even aware of because you will never see it explained in the news media. "All the world's a stage" as they say, and whatever happens on that stage happens for a reason. Below are some more pictures that captured key events on that stage and that should make it clear that things are not really what they seem, that the stories we get presented in the news media are just that, stories. Now, we are all looking at the exact same stage, but we all see different things and react differently to whatever happens on that stage based on how we make sense of what's happening there. And how we make sense of what's happening there depends on what stories we find most conclusive. And depending on our own level of awareness, we will find some narratives more conclusive than others. The narrative that is aimed at the people with the lowest level of awareness is presented in the MSM (blue pill). This narrative is very simplistic and allows only for very basic explanations of events. In fact, a lot of events that are happening on the stage actually can't be explained on that level. Whenever that happens, you will see certain topics either totally ignored or declared taboo in order to keep the narrative between these well-defined, very narrow lines. But not everyone feels comfortable in such a tiny mental box. And for those people there exist more complex stories (red pill), usually presented by non-MSM sources, that are almost as easily available as the MSM sources, but which are not promoted in the way the MSM narrative is promoted (one has to go look for them, although some just show up magically the suggested video column on youtube). And while the red pill narrative is able to explain a lot more events that are happening on the stage than the blue pill narrative, most red pill narratives have one big disadvantage: instead of just expanding the blue pill perspective by simply adding more details, they turn the blue pill perspective on its head and by doing so, the two narratives, instead of enhancing each other, they become incompatible. And the red pill narrative, in the end, is also just a story, and similar to the blue pill narrative, designed to direct attention along a certain path into a certain direction. So some people at some point will even find that rather roomy mental box as too limiting. And there is indeed another level beyond the red pill level. But unlike on the red pill level, here it is extremely difficult to find any sources at all. And if one is lucky enough to find them, they often disappear after a while because they rarely get shared or copied. And on that level of the narrative, one doesn't just gain more insights on the sequence and mechanics of the events unfolding on the stage, but the stage itself, its dimensions and function. So here are some more images of key world events that have the potential of taking one's understanding to the next level: Now, all these events happened on the stage, for everyone to see. And I think we all know the lowest level explanation of these events (MSM), some may even know the next higher level explanation (anons). But what do these events really mean? And who are these people, really? How did they get on that stage? And most importantly: what does that all have to do with us? That’s gold. I follow mostly. The 3rd layer is.. the quantum realm where we create our own reality and none of rhis affects us. How come many non-dualists arn’t looking at any alternative narratives, i.e Mooji, Tolle etc they seem to be (on the face of it) falling for the msn. Mooji even remarked when George Flotyd was murdered which I found interesting. I noted last year Tolle comment on an increase in oppressive control from governments. It's not his way of being to take a political stance, but I found that interesting. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2021 8:26:05 GMT -5
An example today of an issue that raises philosophical questions (only half the article available) The dairy used to produce traditional 'formula milk' is contributing to greenhouse gas issues (apparently) Gates's solution is to produce the formula from cultured human mammary cells. Again, I don't know enough about the issue to meaningfully contribute, but instinctively, my reaction will these kinds of things is that Nature does fine without all our manipulations. Our manipulations contributed to the fcuking up of the environment to start with. More manipulation to treat manipulation? Similarly, I guess you guys know that meat can be created in a lab now (I believe is being sold in some parts of the world). I was a vegetarian for several years (I eat meat now), so rationally, I should be able to see the appeal of lab created meat. But my instinct says, 'no thanks'. I'd rather an animal was given a wonderful life and killed humanely and we eat the meat in appreciation and gratitude for what the animal gave us I feel these are spiritual issues. Always interested in the opinion of other spiritual oriented folks.... Oh yeah, article here www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bill-gates-backs-artificial-breast-milk-to-nurture-green-living-f6k99d5h2Sounds like Mr. Gates is at least making an effort to combat world hunger.. and climate change. That's gotta be better than throwing your hands up in the air saying "there's nothing to be done!", isn't it? Again though the problem is that technology created by poor philosophy will create more inhumanity. Technology that comes from some measure of spiritual insight is technology I can readily trust. The scientists in Germany in the 30s were highly revered, most of their philosophy was rooted in eugenics (consider Dr. Mengele). They believed in the rightness of what they were doing. (You know many of the scientists were taken to America after the war?) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip |
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Post by esponja on Jan 25, 2021 8:39:34 GMT -5
An example today of an issue that raises philosophical questions (only half the article available) The dairy used to produce traditional 'formula milk' is contributing to greenhouse gas issues (apparently) Gates's solution is to produce the formula from cultured human mammary cells. Again, I don't know enough about the issue to meaningfully contribute, but instinctively, my reaction will these kinds of things is that Nature does fine without all our manipulations. Our manipulations contributed to the fcuking up of the environment to start with. More manipulation to treat manipulation? Similarly, I guess you guys know that meat can be created in a lab now (I believe is being sold in some parts of the world). I was a vegetarian for several years (I eat meat now), so rationally, I should be able to see the appeal of lab created meat. But my instinct says, 'no thanks'. I'd rather an animal was given a wonderful life and killed humanely and we eat the meat in appreciation and gratitude for what the animal gave us I feel these are spiritual issues. Always interested in the opinion of other spiritual oriented folks.... Oh yeah, article here www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bill-gates-backs-artificial-breast-milk-to-nurture-green-living-f6k99d5h2Sounds like Mr. Gates is at least making an effort to combat world hunger.. and climate change. That's gotta be better than throwing your hands up in the air saying "there's nothing to be done!", isn't it? Industrial agruculture and Glysophate is one of the worst things that could have happened to our foods. |
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.. but even short of the funny folksy old aphorism, you see, all I've done is note the theoretical possibility. One significant factor that lends a viral-nature to speculation from that point is the dystopian aspect of the lockdowns and other social controls.
