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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 16:11:37 GMT -5
Societies always have tensions within them. That's what makes them such creative places. Do you trust your neighbours? hmmm I don't think I agree that tension is the source of inspiration. Agree that social tensions can precipitate big changes though. are you asking if I trust my next door neighbours not to snitch on me if I hold a rave  ? I actually stick to the rules so it's not something I've wondered about. Or are you asking if I trust my neighbours to call the fire brigade if they saw my abode on fire? Yes, pretty confident they would. Big changes don't just happen.. they are preceded, by smaller more subtle changes that all appear to merge into a big change. Societies don't handle big changes very well, and you've only gotta look at how late the first lockdown back in March last year was, to see proof of that. Do you trust your neighbours to do what is right for you, and themselves? |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2021 16:13:06 GMT -5
Perhaps it's even this: I can cause you to be ill therefore I am a danger to you' 'You can cause me to be ill and therefore you are a danger to me' That's a pretty intense pair of beliefs for anyone to have, let along a society of millions of people. It also reflects a certain elite sentiment of "ewwwwwww .. get away from me you filthy creature!" There was a major element of downward social projection in the overreactions of the new sanitary regime. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2021 16:14:26 GMT -5
Biden is not the story of our time, he is just a bit player. I can buy that. Installed from the top-down, unlikely to make any real independent decisions .. everything Trump ain't. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2021 16:27:15 GMT -5
I was challenging your ideas with questions that I think show the problems with the ideas. That's standard debate, and it's pretty common around here. To spell it out more without asking questions.... I don't think you control all your health with your thoughts. You can make yourself sick, yes. But some people get sick through no fault of their own, at all ages, though it's more obvious with examples of kids or the elderly. Your post sounded like you believe all disease is created by person's negative thoughts and emotions. That seems like it could be wishful thinking to me. Ie, the ego would like to think it has that much control. It ultimately always comes down to the existential question, in this case we can ask, "where is it that I end, and what I am not begins?". There's no denying that in personal terms life is unpredictable, uncontrollable and that people can suffer illness by no fault of their own decisions. But it's also true that the effects we can have on our own health by adjusting our internal state can't be explained with the western paradigm of a set of functional parts. Ultimately, this line of exploration - which can be done at many different levels - reflects itself in intellect by way of a maelstrom: it's possible to accept BOTH that the functional decomposition paradigm can be very effective at healing people AND that it is fundamentally flawed and limited and can't explain why some people can heal themselves in apparently miraculous ways. It's possible to accept BOTH that the person has no control over external events and conditions but yet always has the opportunity to optimize their plight relative to them by accepting responsibility for their thoughts and actions. The apparent contradictions are because of the personal perspective founded on the appearance of the subject/object split. In absolute truth, there are no contradictions, they are only the product of thought. This isn't to say that thought - or even the contradictions - aren't valid, simply to put them in perspective.  |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2021 16:29:43 GMT -5
Yes. It's crossed my mind that if the government, media and popular shows spent as much time/energy brainwashing people into being healthy, as they have done brainwashing people into being scared and judgemental of others, then we'd be in a pretty cool situation by now!And what would that look like from where you're standing? something like.....empowered, healthy, happy individuals. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2021 16:31:45 GMT -5
hmmm I don't think I agree that tension is the source of inspiration. Agree that social tensions can precipitate big changes though. are you asking if I trust my next door neighbours not to snitch on me if I hold a rave ? I actually stick to the rules so it's not something I've wondered about. Or are you asking if I trust my neighbours to call the fire brigade if they saw my abode on fire? Yes, pretty confident they would. Societies don't handle big changes very well, and you've only gotta look at how late the first lockdown back in March last year was, to see proof of that. Do you trust your neighbours to do what is right for you, and themselves? Sure...reminds me of a good book I read once called 'The Tipping Point'. The question doesn't really apply to my mindset, but I basically think everyone is always doing what they feel is right for themselves, even when it feels wrong. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2021 16:32:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I see it that way for the most part as well. But I can understand people who don't see it that way, as the medical establishment isn't all bad. It's rather bananas that I feel I have to say this but they do sometimes heal people, and not everyone in it is completely consumed with the profit motive or the motive of social control. In fact it seems to me that on an individual basis, the people who work in the medical industry and the governmental entities that are increasingly involved in it's administration exhibit what I think of as a "mix of intentionality": - at least some of them (probably most) are at least partially conscious of their motivations and the conditioned influences on their opinions and actions. - at least some of them (probably not most) are almost completely on auto-pilot, with no consciousness of why they do what they do or think what they think - the details of these conditioned influences vary greatly from individual-to-individual: --- some are, to some degree, idealistic, other's are driven soley by practical considerations --- some are so greedy as for their greed to be a significant influence on their decisions, for other's this is less of an influence --- there are varying degrees of competence, dedication and various facets of alignment between their persons and their positions. And this is a simplified, abridged list of factors and facets relevant to this idea: a "mix of intentionality", which isn't specific to this group of people. It's an abstraction that, like any other abstraction, can never really completely describe real life, and it has the potential to reflect that limitation in terms of expressing an arbitrary level of complexity and complication. So, while it might be tempting to take a jaundiced view of the medical complex based on results, this might miss the nuance of the people involved with it. Perhaps, like any set of interlocking institutions, the medical industry is going through a cycle where it is expressing that facet of LOA where it has become what it was designed to fight against, which would suggest that some sort of collapse and reform is inevitable. I agree in that the medical profession isn't all bad .. it's not so much the peeps that work in the medical profession it's the foundation itself that is the issue . It's not really about getting peeps better .. it's about maintaining the gravy boat of monies created . I remember a G.P. saying once that nutrition and healthy living once upon a time was only briefly covered in their coursework . This is the foundation of health and wellbeing . It wasn't that long ago that they promoted no fat and no salt for heart problems when the opposite is needed lol . If they knew that the majority of ailments can be rectified through nutrition they wouldn't be pumping folks full of drugs . A friend of mine has a massive selection of drugs, perhaps 10 or more different medications and it turned her a little mad . She couldn't coordinate properly . They ended up taking her off 2 meds and they said she will be okay now lol . Why the fcuk is she taking meds that she doesn't need? I asked her why she doesn't need those 2 meds now and she didn't know lol .. I have spoken about nutrition regarding her diabetes and other ailments but she's not interested . She has more faith in the doctors even though the medication is slowly shutting down her organs . She is scared stiff of covid and doesn't listen to the actual facts, she listens to mainstream news daily . You see this is rife it seems across the world and that's why you have millions queueing up for the vaccine . A vaccine that has been approved as being safe but yet the medical report on it that my mums fella sister has read (being a midwife) still has many unknown qualities present based upon long term effects and of course not to be taken by those that are pregnant . I mean if it's not safe for a developing baby then it's not safe for you and yet it's been approved as being safe . Doesn't make sense . Another thing is that they never isolated the virus per se .. This is needed in order to create a vaccine . What they have isolated is simply genetic material that the body creates . Now it's official that the tests are flawed and not accurate at all . I hear people are testing cheeses and Coca Cola and they can test positive lol . So we have a virus that hasn't been isolated and a vaccine created and a test for the virus that's flawed . We have actual facts that only 0.6% of people under 60 will get seriously ill from it, we have only 400 odd deaths related to covid where there were no other serious conditions present as well . Like Andy said about smoking stat's .. we have stats regarding the flu that are 10 fold higher for death rates . We had earlier thousands of cases for death related to covid retracted because the doctors were encouraged to say that they were . We have nurses speaking out and resigning and being sacked over how things really are and we have over 2 million pounds paid out to some to not speak about what they know or have found out . 2 million pounds of public money used to gag people .. But as said the mainstream mentality is either ignorant to the facts or they simply blindly follow our world leaders and advisers because of the beliefs they hold . As many know, as soon as you speak about these things that question the mainstream 'truth' on certain platforms you are silenced . These are professional scientists and such likes not mad conspirasists.. Thanks tenks I appreciate your perspective here. We could easily form an echo chamber together. That's hilarious about the cheese! The western medical paradigm of functional decomposition has a certain insanity at it's core. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 16:32:27 GMT -5
And what would that look like from where you're standing? something like.....empowered, healthy, happy individuals. And you've checked that everyone wants that for themselves yeah? |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2021 16:34:50 GMT -5
Can't wait for Bill to implant a microchip in my arm. Maybe I can be reminded then, electronically, to set the toilet seat back down so it doesn't swallow up my wife in the middle of the night. As to the Democrats stealing the election, I'm just sorry they were as inept at that as they are at most things. They should have done it right and had super majorities in both houses. Yes, I am a reptile underneath it all and a drone of the illuminati. I obey their every command through the hearing aid in my left ear. Resistancw is futile, you will be assimilated. BTW, Ramana is alive and well living in Brazil with JFK, Elvis, Mueller and Q, waiting for Trump to join them so he can lead "The Storm." |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2021 16:36:18 GMT -5
Can't wait for Bill to implant a microchip in my arm. Maybe I can be reminded then, electronically, to set the toilet seat back down so it doesn't swallow up my wife in the middle of the night. As to the Democrats stealing the election, I'm just sorry they were as inept at that as they are at most things. They should have done it right and had super majorities in both houses. Yes, I am a reptile underneath it all and a drone of the illuminati. I obey their every command through the hearing aid in my left ear. Resistancw is futile, you will be assimilated. BTW, Ramana is alive and well living in Brazil with JFK, Elvis, Mueller and Q, waiting for Trump to join them so he can lead "The Storm." as so it was prophesied   |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2021 16:36:22 GMT -5
Installed from the top-down, unlikely to make any real independent decisions .. everything Trump ain't. I just went searching for a perfect gif, but then remembered it's not forum policy these days. Ah the days of the spiritual teachers gifs....seems like a very long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Not going to lie, that was pretty much the thought that went through my mind. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2021 16:38:38 GMT -5
We need our conspiracy thread back!  Not going to happen.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 16:41:30 GMT -5
Big changes don't just happen.. they are preceded, by smaller more subtle changes that all appear to merge into a big change. Societies don't handle big changes very well, and you've only gotta look at how late the first lockdown back in March last year was, to see proof of that. Do you trust your neighbours to do what is right for you, and themselves? Sure...reminds me of a good book I read once called 'The Tipping Point'. The question doesn't really apply to my mindset, but I basically think everyone is always doing what they feel is right for themselves, even when it feels wrong. " The Law of the Few: Based on the well-known “Pareto Principle,” or “80/20 Principle,” the Law of the Few states that the most significant attention will come from only a few key players. ..." What do you mean it doesn't apply to your mindset? Do you believe that your neighbourhood wants to maintain a natural equilibrium? |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2021 16:42:17 GMT -5
haha the very post after I said I thought we weren't allowed gifs! A symbol perhaps of how quickly things can be turned on their head right now. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2021 16:48:19 GMT -5
Sure...reminds me of a good book I read once called 'The Tipping Point'. The question doesn't really apply to my mindset, but I basically think everyone is always doing what they feel is right for themselves, even when it feels wrong. " The Law of the Few: Based on the well-known “Pareto Principle,” or “80/20 Principle,” the Law of the Few states that the most significant attention will come from only a few key players. ..." What do you mean it doesn't apply to your mindset? Do you believe that your neighbourhood wants to maintain a natural equilibrium? well, I assume anyway that all people are doing what they feel is right. can you say what you mean by 'natural equilibrium'? My neighbourhood doesn't really have the feel of being a community, so I don't think there's much of a shared want. I would guess people in my town have the same general disparate wants as much of the rest of the country. |
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? I actually stick to the rules so it's not something I've wondered about. Or are you asking if I trust my neighbours to call the fire brigade if they saw my abode on fire? Yes, pretty confident they would. 
