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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 13:17:44 GMT -5
How about kids with cancer and other serious illnesses? Did they have negative thoughts and give themselves tumors? How about someone who is 97 and dies of cancer? If they'd only had the correct thoughts, they would have lived another 10 years? I was challenging your ideas with questions that I think show the problems with the ideas. That's standard debate, and it's pretty common around here. I don't care to convince anybody of anything, and feel no need to argue what I believe. Anyway ... I give you the benefit of the doubt. Dying isn't something bad, undesirable, or such for a personality. Living longer isn't in anyway a goal. A personality dies when its inner-self decided to do it for its own reasons. There are no accidents, no unexpected events. A personality is composed of several parts that for most of us here are dysfunctionally related. In simple, relevant terms for this post: an outer-self that is the personality's interface with the physical reality, an inner-self that is its interface with the inner reality, a subconscious; there are other selves too. The reality that the outer-self (the awake you) experiences is created by the subconscious, in largest part directed by the inner-self. This individual reality is modulated by the inner interaction of the inner-self with the inner-selves of the other participants in the chosen physical reality domain experienced by the outer-self. It is also modulated by the thoughts and emotions of the conscious self, in the framework of the outer-self's limiting beliefs. Whatever happens to an outer-self is a symbolical message, part of a lesson it has to learn (lessons come from the inner source of guidance). Suffering and negative emotions aren't intentional, and aren't necessary; they are a feedback, and result from limiting beliefs and errors. Death isn't a negative event for the personality, it is just a longer break than the brakes taken every time when it sleeps. Okay, thanks for the explanation. I too sense that something like that could be true. But I lack the confidence you seem to have in the "metaphysical structure" (or whatever we want to call it) that you describe. I agree there is no need argue about beliefs. |
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Post by Reefs on Jan 23, 2021 13:23:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 14:07:49 GMT -5
If people didn't trust their neighbours and the younger generations before Covid, then they are not going to during it. yes, I think government propaganda has amplified and 'played on' tensions that were already existing. Social relations haven't been great for a few years with Brexit n' all. Societies always have tensions within them. That's what makes them such creative places. Do you trust your neighbours? |
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Post by tenka on Jan 23, 2021 14:23:49 GMT -5
The greater good .. For whom  .. Basically the greater good can only come from a place of actuality and truth . If the mainstream news isn't actual then there cannot be a greater good related to it . It's a non starter as I say often . The foundation has to be right to begin with . Anxiety and mental health conditions are through the roof, as are suicides and like you say, people have been turning on each other, the police have been arresting people for walking in the park, sitting on benches .. There must be 10 thousand videos on YouTube of the police carrying out these ridiculous restraints . Who could imagine that an old lady could be arrested for minding her own business sitting on a bench with a flask of hot tea a year ago, when knife crimes in London where out of control and not being policed .. During the first lockdown one of my boys visited another in their garden for it was his birthday . The police were called out and they were there in a flash . He had his car hit by a hit and run driver which was someone who lived down his street . This bloke hid his damaged car a mile away . My son found the car and fronted him out . The bloke was high as a kite, was still pissed and admitted it all . My boy phoned the police about it and they said just go through the insurance as he has admitted it . How many actual crimes had taken place and they wasn't even interested lol . yes, a guy I was friendly with while working in Spain some years ago took his life in December. Police arresting people for sitting on park benches with a coffee. There's some awful stuff happening, and yet I do feel there is an 'awakening' of sorts happening. People are being forced to look within at what really matters to them. I'm doubtful that 'life' as we knew it, is coming back. Even if/when the pubs and restaurants are allowed to open, I feel like people have been changed by what's happened. I don't think people recognize how traumatized they are, and that there will have to be healing. But, people need the space to heal. With the constant barrage of 'new mutations', 'new tier systems', people aren't given that space. It will come though, it has to. It's a funny old game isn't it .. I think as a race we become complacent and then lockdown comes in and were all kinda shocked, but then again were pretty good as a race adapting to new surroundings .. but what I noticed for some is that one becomes again complacent with the new rules and creates a reality within it that they kinda feel comfortable with . For myself when the first lockdown came into effect I was made redundant as you know and I spent half my day in meditation .. Lockdown actually suited me tbh, but the flip side of it when you become absorbed within an inner reality of sorts is facing the outside world again . Now I am back to work I have a new reality experienced and I am okay with my inner and outer reality if you understand me . It really is about adapting and doing what you have to do to survive on many levels . Sometimes as we all know something snaps .. it always does in different ways and to different extents, I dare say the Italians have snapped and perhaps their ripple will spread .. I think from what I have observed there are many people now in our 3rd lockdown not taking much bloody notice compared to the first . I would say that there hasn't been many government figures and peeps that are in the news often that have walked their talk .. it's been do as I say not as I do .. |
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Post by tenka on Jan 23, 2021 14:32:38 GMT -5
They will be handing vaccines out like they did antibiotics and look what that did to the immune system . I have heard that people have caught the virus after having been vaccinated and a few have died . You don't hear that on the mainstream news daily do you I hear that you can take up to 3 vaccines (as well as the flu vaccine) as well as prescribed medication lol . And even with all this being said and done they can't rule out more restrictions and lockdowns next winter and the need to keep on vaccinating . The whole xmas thing really did show the governments stupidity . One minute conditions are likened to the plague and the next minute its okay for family gatherings because it's xmas I can't remember what sci fi film it was in, or perhaps it was one of the avengers films where there was a scene captured in a city where electric billboards were lit up everywhere, a virus shape similar to the logo used today, a bottle of corona and a mask . This was filmed prior to the virus being created, which hasn't even been investigated . Corbyns brother on mainstream news was ripped to pieces because he asked the government to actually prove that the virus exists . They didn't actually listen and answer the questions given to them .. This is what I mean in that the virus needs to be isolated in order for a vaccine to be created . As far as I know the government hasn't proved what covid actually is lol . The nightingale make shift hospitals is another thing isn't it, likened to the massive hospitals built in china that were empty and never used for purpose . Apparently one of the nightingale hospitals has been slowly dismantled for months now and yet again, there was a surge in mainstream news that hospitals were at breaking point . People being left in ambulances in the streets etc . My sister was in hospital having a wire removed from her broken finger and she said you wouldn't know there is a pandemic going on . Yes there's so much that is just....fishy. I've also seen the question about whether the virus has been isolated, I have actually seen studies where it looks like it has been, but then other folks talk about 'Koch's postulates'....quite honestly, I'm just not 'expert' enough to know about this side of things. And 'Nightingale'...yes So many questions. I don't know which of them are just terribly inept and corrupt in a typical politician way, and which of them have allegiances to broader globalist interests. And the ongoing psychological manipulation with the constant bombardment of adverts and stupid government speeches.... is just....unbelievable. I don't watch any of them, and as soon as an advert comes on the tv or radio, I turn over straight away. It's blatant NLP.
I would say the most effective thing the government has done, is to brainwash people into blaming each other! It's rife isn't it to extraordinary levels .. It's on the whole worlds mind at some point of the day . Now that is a massive collective of thought patterns .. Whether it's peeps being in fear of the virus or peeps being angry and defiant over it all . I just shake my head at the mainstream b.s. agenda's and like you I switch over when I see as such, I mean you can't make it ûp can you with the t.v. presenters and doctors giving all the advise and scaremongering and then do the bloody opposite |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2021 14:56:47 GMT -5
yes, I think government propaganda has amplified and 'played on' tensions that were already existing. Social relations haven't been great for a few years with Brexit n' all. Societies always have tensions within them. That's what makes them such creative places. Do you trust your neighbours? hmmm I don't think I agree that tension is the source of inspiration. Agree that social tensions can precipitate big changes though. are you asking if I trust my next door neighbours not to snitch on me if I hold a rave ? I actually stick to the rules so it's not something I've wondered about. Or are you asking if I trust my neighbours to call the fire brigade if they saw my abode on fire? Yes, pretty confident they would. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2021 15:01:21 GMT -5
yes, a guy I was friendly with while working in Spain some years ago took his life in December. Police arresting people for sitting on park benches with a coffee. There's some awful stuff happening, and yet I do feel there is an 'awakening' of sorts happening. People are being forced to look within at what really matters to them. I'm doubtful that 'life' as we knew it, is coming back. Even if/when the pubs and restaurants are allowed to open, I feel like people have been changed by what's happened. I don't think people recognize how traumatized they are, and that there will have to be healing. But, people need the space to heal. With the constant barrage of 'new mutations', 'new tier systems', people aren't given that space. It will come though, it has to. It's a funny old game isn't it .. I think as a race we become complacent and then lockdown comes in and were all kinda shocked, but then again were pretty good as a race adapting to new surroundings .. but what I noticed for some is that one becomes again complacent with the new rules and creates a reality within it that they kinda feel comfortable with . For myself when the first lockdown came into effect I was made redundant as you know and I spent half my day in meditation .. Lockdown actually suited me tbh, but the flip side of it when you become absorbed within an inner reality of sorts is facing the outside world again . Now I am back to work I have a new reality experienced and I am okay with my inner and outer reality if you understand me . It really is about adapting and doing what you have to do to survive on many levels . Sometimes as we all know something snaps .. it always does in different ways and to different extents, I dare say the Italians have snapped and perhaps their ripple will spread .. I think from what I have observed there are many people now in our 3rd lockdown not taking much bloody notice compared to the first . I would say that there hasn't been many government figures and peeps that are in the news often that have walked their talk .. it's been do as I say not as I do ..
yeah a ton of hypocrisy for sure. I was watching a Tony Robinson show earlier, he was in Russia, and talking to people about the old Soviet Union. Obviously one of the themes of communism is 'equality', and yet just as obviously, that equality didn't apply to the leaders! The similarity between that situation, and the UK situation, struck me. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2021 15:02:57 GMT -5
Yes there's so much that is just....fishy. I've also seen the question about whether the virus has been isolated, I have actually seen studies where it looks like it has been, but then other folks talk about 'Koch's postulates'....quite honestly, I'm just not 'expert' enough to know about this side of things. And 'Nightingale'...yes So many questions. I don't know which of them are just terribly inept and corrupt in a typical politician way, and which of them have allegiances to broader globalist interests. And the ongoing psychological manipulation with the constant bombardment of adverts and stupid government speeches.... is just....unbelievable. I don't watch any of them, and as soon as an advert comes on the tv or radio, I turn over straight away. It's blatant NLP.
I would say the most effective thing the government has done, is to brainwash people into blaming each other! It's rife isn't it to extraordinary levels .. It's on the whole worlds mind at some point of the day . Now that is a massive collective of thought patterns .. Whether it's peeps being in fear of the virus or peeps being angry and defiant over it all . I just shake my head at the mainstream b.s. agenda's and like you I switch over when I see as such, I mean you can't make it ûp can you with the t.v. presenters and doctors giving all the advise and scaremongering and then do the bloody opposite Yes. It's crossed my mind that if the government, media and popular shows spent as much time/energy brainwashing people into being healthy, as they have done brainwashing people into being scared and judgemental of others, then we'd be in a pretty cool situation by now! |
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Post by tenka on Jan 23, 2021 15:17:09 GMT -5
It's rife isn't it to extraordinary levels .. It's on the whole worlds mind at some point of the day . Now that is a massive collective of thought patterns .. Whether it's peeps being in fear of the virus or peeps being angry and defiant over it all . I just shake my head at the mainstream b.s. agenda's and like you I switch over when I see as such, I mean you can't make it ûp can you with the t.v. presenters and doctors giving all the advise and scaremongering and then do the bloody opposite Yes. It's crossed my mind that if the government, media and popular shows spent as much time/energy brainwashing people into being healthy, as they have done brainwashing people into being scared and judgemental of others, then we'd be in a pretty cool situation by now! Absolutely, and whether or not there is a healthy alternative would still generate a lot of revenue .. So there has to be something else going on behind the scenes that makes the agenda as it is at present . To disempower, to perhaps reduce the mass population or whatever .. There has to be a core level here as to why things are mass generated in the ways that they are . As said, there could be the opposite in effect with a similar revenue generated .. Why the fear mongering, why the creation of man made viruses, why all the doom and gloom .. If it's not a virus it's terrorism or something else to disempower us .. This seems to be a constant .. It's not about healthy living and empowerment . This is what peeps need to at least register to some degree . |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2021 15:33:31 GMT -5
Some folks might be interested in this. I got the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine this morning, and the side effect so far has been the equivalent of drinking two glasses of wine! It might get worse, but so far all it did was end my work day and leave me moving around in a kind of loopy brain fog. Hope you're feeling better today ZD. Reminds me of when I got my first flu vaccine in '16, but that didn't happen in '18. It is fascinating to read about the newer technology of the covid vaccines. My understanding is that it's based on fragments of RNA that stimulate protein production in the cell. Sounds like wild stuff and I'm almost curious enough to research how it's different from the old technology. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 15:46:43 GMT -5
It's rife isn't it to extraordinary levels .. It's on the whole worlds mind at some point of the day . Now that is a massive collective of thought patterns .. Whether it's peeps being in fear of the virus or peeps being angry and defiant over it all . I just shake my head at the mainstream b.s. agenda's and like you I switch over when I see as such, I mean you can't make it ûp can you with the t.v. presenters and doctors giving all the advise and scaremongering and then do the bloody opposite Yes. It's crossed my mind that if the government, media and popular shows spent as much time/energy brainwashing people into being healthy, as they have done brainwashing people into being scared and judgemental of others, then we'd be in a pretty cool situation by now!And what would that look like from where you're standing? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 15:47:56 GMT -5
Some folks might be interested in this. I got the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine this morning, and the side effect so far has been the equivalent of drinking two glasses of wine! It might get worse, but so far all it did was end my work day and leave me moving around in a kind of loopy brain fog. Hope you're feeling better today ZD. Reminds me of when I got my first flu vaccine in '16, but that didn't happen in '18. It is fascinating to read about the newer technology of the covid vaccines. My understanding is that it's based on fragments of RNA that stimulate protein production in the cell. Sounds like wild stuff and I'm almost curious enough to research how it's different from the old technology. And they had the mRNA vaccine ready in a few days (a year ago). All the rest of the time was spent giving it to people for testing. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2021 15:59:43 GMT -5
You can deflect and deny if you want, but the facts are the facts, and we all just watched the whole thing play out in sickening detail over the past year. And in related news Dr. Fauci could barely contain his relief and excitement yesterday about the return of truth and science to the White House. No more bleach, light disinfectant, or malaria drug nonsense from the podium. Or the coddling of a madman who admitted to Bob Woodward how serious he knew it was (while downplaying it in public). You keep dispensing ridiculous posts ... Remember: stupidity is ignorance manifested! Sorry to everyone in advance for creating drama.  Invalan, farmer is not stupid, nor ignorant. Do you see anyone else here these days telling someone else their postings are ridiculous, and if not, what might that signal to you about what you're writing? |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2021 16:06:41 GMT -5
Ah, then sounds like the 'self-inflicted' factor makes a difference to the level of outrage/hysteria (i.e much less outraged/hysterical). I haven't seen much outrage/hysteria except on the internet But the viral video's of people losing it in public about masks and whatknot are from real life. It's sad, often slapstick funny (when noone gets hurt), and reflects an elevated degree of alienation from strangers. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 23, 2021 16:10:41 GMT -5
Then sounds like it's been a relatively relaxed energy under the Trump administration where you are then  I'm almost always relaxed, and the last four years have been challenging, yes. But it's all over now though. Oh, but it's not. As always, change is ever the only constant. |
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