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Post by andrew on Jan 22, 2021 20:48:58 GMT -5
Yes, I understand you there, but if your television/radio news is anything like ours, then covid is 'the' topic. Here in the UK, people have been encouraged by government to report their neighbours, and challenge those that don't wear masks, so social tensions have been high. Again, might be different where you are, and I don't wish those social tensions on you at all. Point is just that the 500000 smoker deaths surely don't get the same emotional interest in the US each year, and that's interesting. No problems here at all. Peeps wear a mask and not many people seem bothered by it. But our population density is much less here, it's semi rural Then sounds like it's been a relatively relaxed energy under the Trump administration where you are then  |
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Post by andrew on Jan 22, 2021 21:07:34 GMT -5
Perhaps it's even this:
I can cause you to be ill therefore I am a danger to you'
'You can cause me to be ill and therefore you are a danger to me'
That's a pretty intense pair of beliefs for anyone to have, let along a society of millions of people.
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Post by andrew on Jan 22, 2021 21:11:07 GMT -5
Then sounds like it's been a relatively relaxed energy under the Trump administration where you are then I'm almost always relaxed, but the last four years have been challenging, yes. But it's all over now though. well, I would agree that something positive has been happening, though I can't get on board with the idea that Biden is 'better'. Some of my friends in the UK have been pleased, and I'm sort of happy they have this moment in the sun. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 22, 2021 21:15:24 GMT -5
Perhaps it's even this: I can cause you to be ill therefore I am a danger to you' 'You can cause me to be ill and therefore you are a danger to me' That's a pretty intense pair of beliefs for anyone to have, let along a society of millions of people. Ergo, six feet and a mask, and reduced large public gatherings. Yes the measures express those beliefs. In fact, those beliefs could potentially express and dictate MUCH greater restriction. From Inavalan's perspective...also Abraham, Seth etc.... those beliefs are deeply false. Perhaps a question for spiritual folks (Byron Katie style) might be....'can we know those beliefs are true'? 'How do we react to them (internally and externally)?' 'How would it be without them?' I wonder what society would look like right now if everyone was questioning this pair of beliefs. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 22, 2021 21:16:03 GMT -5
well, I would agree that something positive has been happening, though I can't get on board with the idea that Biden is 'better'. Some of my friends in the UK have been pleased, and I'm sort of happy they have this moment in the sun. Biden is not the story of our time, he is just a bit player. I can buy that. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 22, 2021 21:58:43 GMT -5
andrew said: Perhaps it's even this: 'I can cause you to be ill therefore I am a danger to you' ' You can cause me to be ill and therefore you are a danger to me' That's a pretty intense pair of beliefs for anyone to have, let along a society of millions of people. Yes the measures express those beliefs. In fact, those beliefs could potentially express and dictate MUCH greater restriction. From Inavalan's perspective...also Abraham, Seth etc.... those beliefs are deeply false. Perhaps a question for spiritual folks (Byron Katie style) might be....'can we know those beliefs are true'? 'How do we react to them (internally and externally)?' 'How would it be without them?' I wonder what society would look like right now if everyone was questioning this pair of beliefs. In my view, you don't question your beliefs. Questioning implies evaluating (your beliefs) intellectually and emotionally. Also, you don't think in terms of ill, nor danger. That yields (creates, attracts) illness and danger, causes fear, that degenerates in anger, hate, and ends up in violence. You select a negative emotion you experience, you intuitively (or using your inner guidance) identify the limiting belief that causes that emotion, then you suspend it and replace it with a beneficial (enabling) belief. And, you think only in terms of healthy and safe. You want to be healthy, not not-to-be ill. You want to be safe, not not-to-be in danger. As people won't do that, this whole mess will try to solve itself. Tired of the fear, anger, hate, violence they experience, people will instinctively and randomly find substituting beliefs for their current limiting beliefs. Some will be better, some will be worse. Probably religions will benefit most from this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 22:30:43 GMT -5
Spiritual question: Is it creatively better to affirm one's own health and thank their immune system for its loving support? Or is it creatively better to anxiously demand that others look after their health for them? And be angry with them when they don't? Anyone? It's like you're baiting me ... (I'm sure this wasn't on your mind ). No matter who's overseeing your health, no matter their competency, your health is only the reflections of your thoughts, emotions, limiting beliefs. Two fold: - your thoughts and emotions about your own health
- your general emotional state: fear, anger, hate are detrimental to your well-being, including your health
When you're ill, that is always a symbolic message that your thoughts are wrong. How about kids with cancer and other serious illnesses? Did they have negative thoughts and give themselves tumors? How about someone who is 97 and dies of cancer? If they'd only had the correct thoughts, they would have lived another 10 years? |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 22, 2021 22:57:48 GMT -5
It's like you're baiting me ... (I'm sure this wasn't on your mind ). No matter who's overseeing your health, no matter their competency, your health is only the reflections of your thoughts, emotions, limiting beliefs. Two fold: - your thoughts and emotions about your own health
- your general emotional state: fear, anger, hate are detrimental to your well-being, including your health
When you're ill, that is always a symbolic message that your thoughts are wrong. How about kids with cancer and other serious illnesses? Did they have negative thoughts and give themselves tumors? How about someone who is 97 and dies of cancer? If they'd only had the correct thoughts, they would have lived another 10 years? I don't think you're honestly looking for a discussion. You already know how things are, and want to have fun putting me in difficulty. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 23:16:37 GMT -5
How about kids with cancer and other serious illnesses? Did they have negative thoughts and give themselves tumors? How about someone who is 97 and dies of cancer? If they'd only had the correct thoughts, they would have lived another 10 years? I don't think you're honestly looking for a discussion. You already know how things are, and want to have fun putting me in difficulty. I was challenging your ideas with questions that I think show the problems with the ideas. That's standard debate, and it's pretty common around here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 23:40:03 GMT -5
I don't think you're honestly looking for a discussion. You already know how things are, and want to have fun putting me in difficulty. I was challenging your ideas with questions that I think show the problems with the ideas. That's standard debate, and it's pretty common around here. To spell it out more without asking questions.... I don't think you control all your health with your thoughts. You can make yourself sick, yes. But some people get sick through no fault of their own, at all ages, though it's more obvious with examples of kids or the elderly. Your post sounded like you believe all disease is created by person's negative thoughts and emotions. That seems like it could be wishful thinking to me. Ie, the ego would like to think it has that much control. |
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Post by inavalan on Jan 23, 2021 0:19:04 GMT -5
How about kids with cancer and other serious illnesses? Did they have negative thoughts and give themselves tumors? How about someone who is 97 and dies of cancer? If they'd only had the correct thoughts, they would have lived another 10 years? I don't think you're honestly looking for a discussion. You already know how things are, and want to have fun putting me in difficulty. I was challenging your ideas with questions that I think show the problems with the ideas. That's standard debate, and it's pretty common around here. I don't care to convince anybody of anything, and feel no need to argue what I believe. Anyway ... I give you the benefit of the doubt. Dying isn't something bad, undesirable, or such for a personality. Living longer isn't in anyway a goal. A personality dies when its inner-self decided to do it for its own reasons. There are no accidents, no unexpected events. A personality is composed of several parts that for most of us here are dysfunctionally related. In simple, relevant terms for this post: an outer-self that is the personality's interface with the physical reality, an inner-self that is its interface with the inner reality, a subconscious; there are other selves too. The reality that the outer-self (the awake you) experiences is created by the subconscious, in largest part directed by the inner-self. This individual reality is modulated by the inner interaction of the inner-self with the inner-selves of the other participants in the chosen physical reality domain experienced by the outer-self. It is also modulated by the thoughts and emotions of the conscious self, in the framework of the outer-self's limiting beliefs. Whatever happens to an outer-self is a symbolical message, part of a lesson it has to learn (lessons come from the inner source of guidance). Suffering and negative emotions aren't intentional, and aren't necessary; they are a feedback, and result from limiting beliefs and errors. Death isn't a negative event for the personality, it is just a longer break than the brakes taken every time when it sleeps. |
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Post by tenka on Jan 23, 2021 3:25:19 GMT -5
A mate of mine a few months back sent me a big chart showing all the government figures that have a financial invested interest in the vaccine .. You can't make it up .. It's not a conspiracy it's a fact and can be researched easily enough . It's only ever been about money and control .The ONS stats still reflect the facts but it seems for the sheep majority they are all both dumb deaf and blind to the truth of it all . I guess, it's the way it is for a reason . Ian Duncan Smith the other day wrote a report on how the world health organisation hasn't even inspected wuhan's laboratory .. based upon rocking the boat on trade deals with china .. So hypocritical, I mean if it was anyone else there would be the wolves at their doors holding them responsible . Nothing has been said at all about it lol . Yeah, I see it that way for the most part as well. But I can understand people who don't see it that way, as the medical establishment isn't all bad. It's rather bananas that I feel I have to say this but they do sometimes heal people, and not everyone in it is completely consumed with the profit motive or the motive of social control. In fact it seems to me that on an individual basis, the people who work in the medical industry and the governmental entities that are increasingly involved in it's administration exhibit what I think of as a "mix of intentionality": - at least some of them (probably most) are at least partially conscious of their motivations and the conditioned influences on their opinions and actions. - at least some of them (probably not most) are almost completely on auto-pilot, with no consciousness of why they do what they do or think what they think - the details of these conditioned influences vary greatly from individual-to-individual: --- some are, to some degree, idealistic, other's are driven soley by practical considerations --- some are so greedy as for their greed to be a significant influence on their decisions, for other's this is less of an influence --- there are varying degrees of competence, dedication and various facets of alignment between their persons and their positions. And this is a simplified, abridged list of factors and facets relevant to this idea: a "mix of intentionality", which isn't specific to this group of people. It's an abstraction that, like any other abstraction, can never really completely describe real life, and it has the potential to reflect that limitation in terms of expressing an arbitrary level of complexity and complication. So, while it might be tempting to take a jaundiced view of the medical complex based on results, this might miss the nuance of the people involved with it. Perhaps, like any set of interlocking institutions, the medical industry is going through a cycle where it is expressing that facet of LOA where it has become what it was designed to fight against, which would suggest that some sort of collapse and reform is inevitable. I agree in that the medical profession isn't all bad .. it's not so much the peeps that work in the medical profession it's the foundation itself that is the issue . It's not really about getting peeps better .. it's about maintaining the gravy boat of monies created . I remember a G.P. saying once that nutrition and healthy living once upon a time was only briefly covered in their coursework . This is the foundation of health and wellbeing . It wasn't that long ago that they promoted no fat and no salt for heart problems when the opposite is needed lol . If they knew that the majority of ailments can be rectified through nutrition they wouldn't be pumping folks full of drugs . A friend of mine has a massive selection of drugs, perhaps 10 or more different medications and it turned her a little mad . She couldn't coordinate properly . They ended up taking her off 2 meds and they said she will be okay now lol . Why the fcuk is she taking meds that she doesn't need? I asked her why she doesn't need those 2 meds now and she didn't know lol .. I have spoken about nutrition regarding her diabetes and other ailments but she's not interested . She has more faith in the doctors even though the medication is slowly shutting down her organs . She is scared stiff of covid and doesn't listen to the actual facts, she listens to mainstream news daily . You see this is rife it seems across the world and that's why you have millions queueing up for the vaccine . A vaccine that has been approved as being safe but yet the medical report on it that my mums fella sister has read (being a midwife) still has many unknown qualities present based upon long term effects and of course not to be taken by those that are pregnant . I mean if it's not safe for a developing baby then it's not safe for you and yet it's been approved as being safe . Doesn't make sense . Another thing is that they never isolated the virus per se .. This is needed in order to create a vaccine . What they have isolated is simply genetic material that the body creates . Now it's official that the tests are flawed and not accurate at all . I hear people are testing cheeses and Coca Cola and they can test positive lol . So we have a virus that hasn't been isolated and a vaccine created and a test for the virus that's flawed .  We have actual facts that only 0.6% of people under 60 will get seriously ill from it, we have only 400 odd deaths related to covid where there were no other serious conditions present as well . Like Andy said about smoking stat's .. we have stats regarding the flu that are 10 fold higher for death rates . We had earlier thousands of cases for death related to covid retracted because the doctors were encouraged to say that they were . We have nurses speaking out and resigning and being sacked over how things really are and we have over 2 million pounds paid out to some to not speak about what they know or have found out . 2 million pounds of public money used to gag people .. But as said the mainstream mentality is either ignorant to the facts or they simply blindly follow our world leaders and advisers because of the beliefs they hold . As many know, as soon as you speak about these things that question the mainstream 'truth' on certain platforms you are silenced . These are professional scientists and such likes not mad conspirasists.. |
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Post by tenka on Jan 23, 2021 3:53:10 GMT -5
why should I care? I don't have the virus, and I'm hoping to avoid it for the next few months.. but take it as a preventative if you believe in the science.. I don'tThat's a little funny to me, because I see a lot of folks saying that about the vaccines Aside from any spiritual views I might have about them, my concern with the vaccines is more along the lines that I could imagine a scenario when new strains come along, new coronaviruses, and folks are lining up for vaccines every couple of months. I don't think it's necessarily my 'spirituality' that sees that as a problematic scenario (and of course new strains and viruses give governments reason to lockdown again while the new and improved vaccines are being prepared) They will be handing vaccines out like they did antibiotics and look what that did to the immune system . I have heard that people have caught the virus after having been vaccinated and a few have died . You don't hear that on the mainstream news daily do you I hear that you can take up to 3 vaccines (as well as the flu vaccine) as well as prescribed medication lol . And even with all this being said and done they can't rule out more restrictions and lockdowns next winter and the need to keep on vaccinating . The whole xmas thing really did show the governments stupidity . One minute conditions are likened to the plague and the next minute its okay for family gatherings because it's xmas I can't remember what sci fi film it was in, or perhaps it was one of the avengers films where there was a scene captured in a city where electric billboards were lit up everywhere, a virus shape similar to the logo used today, a bottle of corona and a mask .  This was filmed prior to the virus being created, which hasn't even been investigated . Corbyns brother on mainstream news was ripped to pieces because he asked the government to actually prove that the virus exists . They didn't actually listen and answer the questions given to them .. This is what I mean in that the virus needs to be isolated in order for a vaccine to be created . As far as I know the government hasn't proved what covid actually is lol . The nightingale make shift hospitals is another thing isn't it, likened to the massive hospitals built in china that were empty and never used for purpose . Apparently one of the nightingale hospitals has been slowly dismantled for months now and yet again, there was a surge in mainstream news that hospitals were at breaking point . People being left in ambulances in the streets etc . My sister was in hospital having a wire removed from her broken finger and she said you wouldn't know there is a pandemic going on . |
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Post by tenka on Jan 23, 2021 4:13:55 GMT -5
My mum bless her, always said if you put yourself in other's hands then whatever happens is down to you . I can't believe in this day and age that there is still an abundance of ignorance and uneducated folk .. Even people at work are thinking the vaccine is heaven sent lol and will be the answer to their prayer's . Really? My God, well I dare say brainwashing everyday for a year or so does work, it's everywhere .. I mean, I work physically for 10 hrs a day with my nose and my mouth covered up because some knobhead wants to lay down the law .. My sister tested positive for covid and has no symptoms, her husband and daughter have tested negative . None wear masks . And it's now mean't to be super duper contagious .. I saw a video the other day with a policeman assulting a man on a train for not wearing a mask when he was excempt from wearing one . The worlds gone mad, the facts don't even back up laws . This is why it makes no sense to peeps that educate themselves on what the facts actually are . I could go on and on with the stupidity being presented by so called experts .. yes. I've looked into all these issues very closely, and with as much self-honesty as I can. In 2019, I voted Corbyn, and basically supported 'socialism'. And yet at this point, I feel that the idea of a 'greater good' is extremely dangerous, and it is this idea that is at core of the insanity and fear and hysteria we are seeing. It's an idea that has been cleverly marketed by governments, leaders and media in many countries. 'The greater good' is a very abstract intellectual idea....it neither applies to the animal kingdom, and has no relevance from a spiritual perspective, in which we are encouraged to 'be the change we wish to see', and to know that the world is a creative expression of our consciousness, beliefs, feelings. People are battering each other over the heads with this idea of 'the greater good'. It's creating huge anxiety, stress, anger, guilt, shame. ''Wear your mask! Look after me!''. These same people aren't even looking after themselves excellently! Another interesting aspect I've considered. I see people around the world taking big risks when following their passions, interests, and what excites them. I mean, tons of people engage with dangerous sports. How many get in a dangerous car each day and drive somewhere?! And yet, when folks are doing what they love, they are fine with the risks, in fact the risk is sort of integral to the joy of the experience. So I wonder, is it possible that, in general, people just don't enjoy their lives enough to be willing to live with risk? It's easy to accept lockdown if one doesn't like their job, their office, their daily commute, going shopping etc. Or if they are sick of social engagements that they don't really want to partake in. So perhaps there's a truth here, that as a species, we just don't enjoy our lives enough to be willing to take risks. There are positives I see coming out of the collective experience though. I think people are looking more closely at what they really want, and what makes them happy. I think they're considering what it means to be free, to be sovereign. They are thinking about the nature of responsibility and kindness. What it means to be alive and human. Good things to think about. The greater good .. For whom .. Basically the greater good can only come from a place of actuality and truth . If the mainstream news isn't actual then there cannot be a greater good related to it . It's a non starter as I say often . The foundation has to be right to begin with . Anxiety and mental health conditions are through the roof, as are suicides and like you say, people have been turning on each other, the police have been arresting people for walking in the park, sitting on benches .. There must be 10 thousand videos on YouTube of the police carrying out these ridiculous restraints . Who could imagine that an old lady could be arrested for minding her own business sitting on a bench with a flask of hot tea a year ago, when knife crimes in London where out of control and not being policed .. During the first lockdown one of my boys visited another in their garden for it was his birthday . The police were called out and they were there in a flash . He had his car hit by a hit and run driver which was someone who lived down his street . This bloke hid his damaged car a mile away . My son found the car and fronted him out . The bloke was high as a kite, was still pissed and admitted it all . My boy phoned the police about it and they said just go through the insurance as he has admitted it . How many actual crimes had taken place and they wasn't even interested lol . |
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Post by andrew on Jan 23, 2021 5:22:14 GMT -5
Yes the measures express those beliefs. In fact, those beliefs could potentially express and dictate MUCH greater restriction. From Inavalan's perspective...also Abraham, Seth etc.... those beliefs are deeply false. Perhaps a question for spiritual folks (Byron Katie style) might be....'can we know those beliefs are true'? 'How do we react to them (internally and externally)?' 'How would it be without them?' I wonder what society would look like right now if everyone was questioning this pair of beliefs. In my view, you don't question your beliefs. Questioning implies evaluating (your beliefs) intellectually and emotionally. Also, you don't think in terms of ill, nor danger. That yields (creates, attracts) illness and danger, causes fear, that degenerates in anger, hate, and ends up in violence. You select a negative emotion you experience, you intuitively (or using your inner guidance) identify the limiting belief that causes that emotion, then you suspend it and replace it with a beneficial (enabling) belief. And, you think only in terms of healthy and safe. You want to be healthy, not not-to-be ill. You want to be safe, not not-to-be in danger. As people won't do that, this whole mess will try to solve itself. Tired of the fear, anger, hate, violence they experience, people will instinctively and randomly find substituting beliefs for their current limiting beliefs. Some will be better, some will be worse. Probably religions will benefit most from this. yep, fully get that and agree. However, I know for sure that the questioning process I offered is a useful one for many folks (Byron Katie is a popular teacher). It can serve to loosen up strong attachments to beliefs that are causing stress and anxiety. The process can create space in the mind for new perspectives and new ways of seeing things. |
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This was filmed prior to the virus being created, which hasn't even been investigated .