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Post by andrew on Jan 22, 2021 14:48:06 GMT -5
 No prizes for guessing what India have been doing recently. Sorry guys, but neither the American or UK medical establishments are trustable. Too tied in with politics. Too much money in involved. Too many power dynamics. A mate of mine a few months back sent me a big chart showing all the government figures that have a financial invested interest in the vaccine .. You can't make it up .. It's not a conspiracy it's a fact and can be researched easily enough . It's only ever been about money and control The ONS stats still reflect the facts but it seems for the sheep majority they are all both dumb deaf and blind to the truth of it all . I guess, it's the way it is for a reason . Ian Duncan Smith the other day wrote a report on how the world health organisation hasn't even inspected wuhan's laboratory .. based upon rocking the boat on trade deals with china .. So hypocritical, I mean if it was anyone else there would be the wolves at their doors holding them responsible . Nothing has been said at all about it lol . yep (all of it). |
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Post by andrew on Jan 22, 2021 14:50:22 GMT -5
Spiritual question:
Is it creatively better to affirm one's own health and thank their immune system for its loving support?
Or is it creatively better to anxiously demand that others look after their health for them? And be angry with them when they don't?
Anyone?
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Post by andrew on Jan 22, 2021 14:57:06 GMT -5
Spiritual question: Is it creatively better to affirm one's own health and thank their immune system for its loving support? Or is it creatively better to anxiously demand that others look after their health for them? And be angry with them when they don't? Anyone? if it causes anger than surely not that yeah. And yet when we want others to take responsibility for our health and wellbeing, and then they don't, it will inevitably cause anger because the want for others to do that, comes from anxiety/fear itself. Fear leads to anger which leads to hate which leads to suffering. As Yoda said  |
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Post by tenka on Jan 22, 2021 15:01:14 GMT -5
Spiritual question: Is it creatively better to affirm one's own health and thank their immune system for its loving support? Or is it creatively better to anxiously demand that others look after their health for them? And be angry with them when they don't? Anyone? My mum bless her, always said if you put yourself in other's hands then whatever happens is down to you . I can't believe in this day and age that there is still an abundance of ignorance and uneducated folk .. Even people at work are thinking the vaccine is heaven sent lol and will be the answer to their prayer's . Really? My God, well I dare say brainwashing everyday for a year or so does work, it's everywhere .. I mean, I work physically for 10 hrs a day with my nose and my mouth covered up because some knobhead wants to lay down the law .. My sister tested positive for covid and has no symptoms, her husband and daughter have tested negative . None wear masks . And it's now mean't to be super duper contagious .. I saw a video the other day with a policeman assulting a man on a train for not wearing a mask when he was excempt from wearing one . The worlds gone mad, the facts don't even back up laws . This is why it makes no sense to peeps that educate themselves on what the facts actually are . I could go on and on with the stupidity being presented by so called experts .. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 22, 2021 15:08:19 GMT -5
There's your politicization and manipulation of covid, right there. And I'm seriously not interested in debating the underlying merits or debating the details of covid on this thread. You can deflect and deny if you want, but the facts are the facts, and we all just watched the whole thing play out in sickening detail over the past year. And in related news Dr. Fauci could barely contain his relief and excitement yesterday about the return of truth and science to the White House. No more bleach, light disinfectant, or malaria drug nonsense from the podium. Or the coddling of a madman who admitted to Bob Woodward how serious he knew it was (while downplaying it in public). Regardless of what you think are the facts and how you interpret them -- even if you are 100% correct in everything you think is true, and even if you are right in your opinion -- then you've still politicized the disease. But, I guess even the virus has it's own politics, because according to Fauci all it took was day 2 of the Biden administration for him to predict a plateau.  Now, if you want to quote me, specifically, what it is that he can say now that he was unable to say because Trump told him he couldn't, I'd be interested, 'cause he sure didn't. All he did was report on his subjective feeling state.  |
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Post by laughter on Jan 22, 2021 15:15:05 GMT -5
Is that true? You refuse to look at links that could provide facts that would challenge your perspective? Andrew has a valid reason for writing what he did, but his comment by itself is without a context. Which perspective would you like to challenge? From my causal following of the issue I seem to remember that Switzerland started, then stopped, and then re-started use of HCQ with telling results, for instance. Honestly, given the list of drug side-effects they have to enumerate in those incessant commercials is enough for me to be skeptical of anything that comes out of the drug companies these days .. .. especially when they're suddenly bad-mouthing a drug that's been around for decades and costs almost nothing to produce when the newer alternatives are potentially very lucrative. And I'm not questioning the science or the potential greater efficacy of the newer drugs, just the inconsistencies in the narrative surrounding HCQ. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 22, 2021 15:16:33 GMT -5
Regardless of what you think are the facts and how you interpret them -- even if you are 100% correct in everything you think is true, and even if you are right in your opinion -- then you've still politicized the disease. But, I guess even the virus has it's own politics, because according to Fauci all it took was day 2 of the Biden administration for him to predict a plateau. Now, if you want to quote me, specifically, what it is that he can say now that he was unable to say because Trump told him he couldn't, I'd be interested, 'cause he sure didn't. All he did was report on his subjective feeling state. ok, you win, I don't care anymore . That's the problem with basing your positions on emotion.  |
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Post by laughter on Jan 22, 2021 15:23:39 GMT -5
They are treatments more than prophylactics, though Ivermectin is actually being used successfully as prophylactic in some countries. Consider that an experimental vaccine was rushed through. I'm not saying I believe it's unsafe, just that it is new technology with no knowledge of long term outcomes. Yet doctors in USA and UK were denied access to tried and trusted medicines that have been used for years, and which are being used successfully in other countries to treat covid. In a normal situation, I could perhaps understand US and UK doctors would want to test Ivermectin and HCQ over a period of several months specifically for covid. But I'm sure, like me, you are told every day, relentlessly by the media, that this is a crisis situation...a disaster even. Given the context, there's no justifiable reason for not using those tried and trusted drugs, that have been recommended by doctors abroad. EXCEPT...and perhaps this is a key factor...the vaccine is considered an 'emergency' treatment. Now here in the UK (not sure about the US) emergency medicine cannot be pushed through if there are safe, existing, effective treatments already available. So in the UK at least, the vaccine was chosen as 'the solution'. Meanwhile, thousands have died in a harsh winter, with a crumbling national health service, because doctors have NO medicine to treat people with until they even get to the hospital. Both Ivermectin and HCQ can be used at an early stage (and are best used at an early stage) i.e before hospital. HCQ has been effective for treating malaria for years.. but covid is a new phenomena, and there is no data (that I am aware of) which supports its's efficacy for treating this new novel virus. And when you say "denied access", for one I doubt that is true, but two, if they were denied then that would have occurred during the previous administration (which doesn't make sense since they were touting it's use). My (again casual interest) understanding is that HCQ was recommended at first because it's an anti-viral, and that there was clinical and even some hasty trial data that suggested it had some measure of effectiveness. At this point I'd be shocked if it was possible to easily google that though. Reefs, you got any links? |
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Post by laughter on Jan 22, 2021 15:27:40 GMT -5
I also imagine that the news stations in the US are similar to the news stations in the UK....they mainly just spew out propaganda. The only way to really find out what's going on in the world is to make the effort on the internet. There's a tremendous amount of crap of course, but at least there's a mixture of crap and truth. Yes, a lot of people have to make a decision now, like Neo in The Matrix. It's either the blue pill or the red pill. You wanna stay asleep or you wanna wake the hell up? I'm a bit surprised actually at how many here seem to show now interest in the big picture and just happily continue to take the blue pill as long as they get presented with a more or less conclusive story, even though The Matrix is showing some serious glitches now (see election) which seem to become more and more frequent (see inauguration). Some others actually want to know what's really going on and take the red pill. And their world is turned upside down. Some seem to have had quite a ride and can't take it anymore. And then they take the black pill and give up on humanity and check out. And while I'm very familiar with the blue pill and the red pill experiences, I never actually felt like taking the black pill. At the moment, I actually feel more like option #4: no pills no more. Dude. I took the black pill when I was still a kid way back in the doldrums of the '70's! |
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Post by laughter on Jan 22, 2021 15:29:26 GMT -5
Never mind, not worth it. A lot of links people want me to read are from alternate news sites which I generally find to be crap and I'm not going to waste my time reading it. garbage in, garbage out. And if you think reading alternate opinions broadens your perspectives.. perhaps you should go bigger. do you think I believe msm stories verbatim? you read too much into things. and do you not understand the difficulties of language? That's fine if you want to refrain from exposing yourself to various sources of information, but then, drawing conclusions about those sources without that exposure is purely speculative. |
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Post by laughter on Jan 22, 2021 15:33:58 GMT -5
and of course, then all of the alternate news aficionados have to chime in with their deep understandings of news and politics and of evil dudes up to no good.. because crazy loves company I guess Hey, if you're not interested that people are lying to you, that's your business.  As I know that you already know from what you've written, very few sources of what purport to be news on any "side" (and there are far more than just two these days, and that's a good thing) tell the straight-up objective truth, and it does take time and concentration and a critical eye/ear to wade through the dreck. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 22, 2021 15:42:30 GMT -5
yeah. And yet when we want others to take responsibility for our health and wellbeing, and then they don't, it will inevitably cause anger because the want for others to do that, comes from anxiety/fear itself. Fear leads to anger which leads to hate which leads to suffering. As Yoda said I think my health and well being is my responsibility, and also mostly luck. Cool |
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Post by laughter on Jan 22, 2021 15:58:17 GMT -5
No prizes for guessing what India have been doing recently. Sorry guys, but neither the American or UK medical establishments are trustable. Too tied in with politics. Too much money in involved. Too many power dynamics. A mate of mine a few months back sent me a big chart showing all the government figures that have a financial invested interest in the vaccine .. You can't make it up .. It's not a conspiracy it's a fact and can be researched easily enough . It's only ever been about money and control .The ONS stats still reflect the facts but it seems for the sheep majority they are all both dumb deaf and blind to the truth of it all . I guess, it's the way it is for a reason . Ian Duncan Smith the other day wrote a report on how the world health organisation hasn't even inspected wuhan's laboratory .. based upon rocking the boat on trade deals with china .. So hypocritical, I mean if it was anyone else there would be the wolves at their doors holding them responsible . Nothing has been said at all about it lol . Yeah, I see it that way for the most part as well. But I can understand people who don't see it that way, as the medical establishment isn't all bad. It's rather bananas that I feel I have to say this but they do sometimes heal people, and not everyone in it is completely consumed with the profit motive or the motive of social control. In fact it seems to me that on an individual basis, the people who work in the medical industry and the governmental entities that are increasingly involved in it's administration exhibit what I think of as a "mix of intentionality": - at least some of them (probably most) are at least partially conscious of their motivations and the conditioned influences on their opinions and actions. - at least some of them (probably not most) are almost completely on auto-pilot, with no consciousness of why they do what they do or think what they think - the details of these conditioned influences vary greatly from individual-to-individual: --- some are, to some degree, idealistic, other's are driven soley by practical considerations --- some are so greedy as for their greed to be a significant influence on their decisions, for other's this is less of an influence --- there are varying degrees of competence, dedication and various facets of alignment between their persons and their positions. And this is a simplified, abridged list of factors and facets relevant to this idea: a "mix of intentionality", which isn't specific to this group of people. It's an abstraction that, like any other abstraction, can never really completely describe real life, and it has the potential to reflect that limitation in terms of expressing an arbitrary level of complexity and complication. So, while it might be tempting to take a jaundiced view of the medical complex based on results, this might miss the nuance of the people involved with it. Perhaps, like any set of interlocking institutions, the medical industry is going through a cycle where it is expressing that facet of LOA where it has become what it was designed to fight against, which would suggest that some sort of collapse and reform is inevitable. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 22, 2021 16:07:56 GMT -5
Spiritual question: Is it creatively better to affirm one's own health and thank their immune system for its loving support? Or is it creatively better to anxiously demand that others look after their health for them? And be angry with them when they don't? Anyone? My mum bless her, always said if you put yourself in other's hands then whatever happens is down to you . I can't believe in this day and age that there is still an abundance of ignorance and uneducated folk .. Even people at work are thinking the vaccine is heaven sent lol and will be the answer to their prayer's . Really? My God, well I dare say brainwashing everyday for a year or so does work, it's everywhere .. I mean, I work physically for 10 hrs a day with my nose and my mouth covered up because some knobhead wants to lay down the law .. My sister tested positive for covid and has no symptoms, her husband and daughter have tested negative . None wear masks . And it's now mean't to be super duper contagious .. I saw a video the other day with a policeman assulting a man on a train for not wearing a mask when he was excempt from wearing one . The worlds gone mad, the facts don't even back up laws . This is why it makes no sense to peeps that educate themselves on what the facts actually are . I could go on and on with the stupidity being presented by so called experts .. yes. I've looked into all these issues very closely, and with as much self-honesty as I can. In 2019, I voted Corbyn, and basically supported 'socialism'. And yet at this point, I feel that the idea of a 'greater good' is extremely dangerous, and it is this idea that is at core of the insanity and fear and hysteria we are seeing. It's an idea that has been cleverly marketed by governments, leaders and media in many countries. 'The greater good' is a very abstract intellectual idea....it neither applies to the animal kingdom, and has no relevance from a spiritual perspective, in which we are encouraged to 'be the change we wish to see', and to know that the world is a creative expression of our consciousness, beliefs, feelings. People are battering each other over the heads with this idea of 'the greater good'. It's creating huge anxiety, stress, anger, guilt, shame. ''Wear your mask! Look after me!''. These same people aren't even looking after themselves excellently! Another interesting aspect I've considered. I see people around the world taking big risks when following their passions, interests, and what excites them. I mean, tons of people engage with dangerous sports. How many get in a dangerous car each day and drive somewhere?! And yet, when folks are doing what they love, they are fine with the risks, in fact the risk is sort of integral to the joy of the experience. So I wonder, is it possible that, in general, people just don't enjoy their lives enough to be willing to live with risk? It's easy to accept lockdown if one doesn't like their job, their office, their daily commute, going shopping etc. Or if they are sick of social engagements that they don't really want to partake in. So perhaps there's a truth here, that as a species, we just don't enjoy our lives enough to be willing to take risks. There are positives I see coming out of the collective experience though. I think people are looking more closely at what they really want, and what makes them happy. I think they're considering what it means to be free, to be sovereign. They are thinking about the nature of responsibility and kindness. What it means to be alive and human. Good things to think about. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 22, 2021 16:09:24 GMT -5
A mate of mine a few months back sent me a big chart showing all the government figures that have a financial invested interest in the vaccine .. You can't make it up .. It's not a conspiracy it's a fact and can be researched easily enough . It's only ever been about money and control .The ONS stats still reflect the facts but it seems for the sheep majority they are all both dumb deaf and blind to the truth of it all . I guess, it's the way it is for a reason . Ian Duncan Smith the other day wrote a report on how the world health organisation hasn't even inspected wuhan's laboratory .. based upon rocking the boat on trade deals with china .. So hypocritical, I mean if it was anyone else there would be the wolves at their doors holding them responsible . Nothing has been said at all about it lol . Yeah, I see it that way for the most part as well. But I can understand people who don't see it that way, as the medical establishment isn't all bad. It's rather bananas that I feel I have to say this but they do sometimes heal people, and not everyone in it is completely consumed with the profit motive or the motive of social control. In fact it seems to me that on an individual basis, the people who work in the medical industry and the governmental entities that are increasingly involved in it's administration exhibit what I think of as a "mix of intentionality": - at least some of them (probably most) are at least partially conscious of their motivations and the conditioned influences on their opinions and actions. - at least some of them (probably not most) are almost completely on auto-pilot, with no consciousness of why they do what they do or think what they think - the details of these conditioned influences vary greatly from individual-to-individual: --- some are, to some degree, idealistic, other's are driven soley by practical considerations --- some are so greedy as for their greed to be a significant influence on their decisions, for other's this is less of an influence --- there are varying degrees of competence, dedication and various facets of alignment between their persons and their positions. And this is a simplified, abridged list of factors and facets relevant to this idea: a "mix of intentionality", which isn't specific to this group of people. It's an abstraction that, like any other abstraction, can never really completely describe real life, and it has the potential to reflect that limitation in terms of expressing an arbitrary level of complexity and complication. So, while it might be tempting to take a jaundiced view of the medical complex based on results, this might miss the nuance of the people involved with it. Perhaps, like any set of interlocking institutions, the medical industry is going through a cycle where it is expressing that facet of LOA where it has become what it was designed to fight against, which would suggest that some sort of collapse and reform is inevitable. Oh, perhaps I should clarify that I think the huge majority of doctors and nurses are great. I think it's the bureaucracy that's the issue, the 'behind the scenes' shenanigans. |
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