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Post by esponja on Oct 3, 2020 20:52:12 GMT -5
Yes, I’ve noticed the ‘woke’ meaning a few different things lately, one being believing there is a World Order intent on keeping us all asleep. There are people who benefit from entrancing others, no doubt.
And, there is this idea of a person waking up and going about their business, only to find at some point that they only dreamt their awakening, and are still asleep. I can think of two movies off the top of my head that portray this, Inception, and American Werewolf in London, but, as I recall, someone (I think, siftingtothetruth) recently pointed out how this is an ancient Hindu parable. So, there's some wisdom to this, but also, in my opinion, the potential to refuse to admit the possibility of a final awakening - to refuse to admit the possibility of a yet unseen-color, unheard-melody or a scent we've never encountered, but, instead, only heard described to us. I interpret what ZD often writes as meaning that turning attention away from thoughts or emotions about anything, and toward what we are seeing/hearing/tasting/feeling, in the moment, is the way to pursue that yet unseen color. Tolle advises to find the space between thoughts. The very meaning of 'Zen', as a verb, is to quietly meditate. It's in silence, that the unknown melody, can be found.  I feel like I’m ‘awakening’ but not ‘awake’. (Although I know we are that which we seek). By that I mean, reality is more synchronistic, manifestations sometimes occur quickly, I have a completely different view of ‘health and well-being’ and see that the systems we have in place (political/medical/educational) are indeed keeping the majority in a state of slumber and in victim mode. I’ve seen much of my own ego programmes comes up for healing and had a huge heart expansion, I have a non-stop interest in spirituality. I still often get caught up in the mind stories though and they can feel very real. Less and less nowadays I guess. |
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Post by esponja on Oct 3, 2020 20:56:04 GMT -5
Ohhh..haha yes important to clarify. It’s the way she speaks. She is very attached to her story, ego mind. I guess I can’t see someone who is so political as ‘awake’. Her views are not ‘whole’. Her hatred of Trump bothers me when she preaches forgiveness. Am in agreement with Reefs on all this political stuff and that is what I consider far more ‘awake’. yeah thanks for clarifying. I feel like getting involved in politics, was at least in part, an ego thing.....then again, I don't necessarily think a total absence of ego necessarily equates to 'being awake' (in the sense we mean it here), so I'm happy to sit on the fence in that regard. But I do think she's seeing Trump with the eyes of someone that's in too deep with the Dems. Yes I agree. No not a total absence but I dunno’ a deeper awareness of it at play, she’s pretty out there in her opinions and I don’t believe that the answer to the political chaos is to add to it, that’s not helping the vibration. I don’t see that she understands, we don’t join others in their low vibe, our job is to rise above it. That’s where the power is. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Oct 3, 2020 21:05:08 GMT -5
There are people who benefit from entrancing others, no doubt.
And, there is this idea of a person waking up and going about their business, only to find at some point that they only dreamt their awakening, and are still asleep. I can think of two movies off the top of my head that portray this, Inception, and American Werewolf in London, but, as I recall, someone (I think, siftingtothetruth) recently pointed out how this is an ancient Hindu parable. So, there's some wisdom to this, but also, in my opinion, the potential to refuse to admit the possibility of a final awakening - to refuse to admit the possibility of a yet unseen-color, unheard-melody or a scent we've never encountered, but, instead, only heard described to us. I interpret what ZD often writes as meaning that turning attention away from thoughts or emotions about anything, and toward what we are seeing/hearing/tasting/feeling, in the moment, is the way to pursue that yet unseen color. Tolle advises to find the space between thoughts. The very meaning of 'Zen', as a verb, is to quietly meditate. It's in silence, that the unknown melody, can be found. I feel like I’m ‘awakening’ but not ‘awake’. (Although I know we are that which we seek). By that I mean, reality is more synchronistic, manifestations sometimes occur quickly, I have a completely different view of ‘health and well-being’ and see that the systems we have in place (political/medical/educational) are indeed keeping the majority in a state of slumber and in victim mode. I’ve seen much of my own ego programmes comes up for healing and had a huge heart expansion, I have a non-stop interest in spirituality. I still often get caught up in the mind stories though and they can feel very real. Less and less nowadays I guess. This is refreshing honesty. Most of the time awakening is not like turning on a switch. Realizing one is asleep is not the same as awakening. |
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Post by laughter on Oct 3, 2020 22:33:51 GMT -5
There are people who benefit from entrancing others, no doubt.
And, there is this idea of a person waking up and going about their business, only to find at some point that they only dreamt their awakening, and are still asleep. I can think of two movies off the top of my head that portray this, Inception, and American Werewolf in London, but, as I recall, someone (I think, siftingtothetruth) recently pointed out how this is an ancient Hindu parable. So, there's some wisdom to this, but also, in my opinion, the potential to refuse to admit the possibility of a final awakening - to refuse to admit the possibility of a yet unseen-color, unheard-melody or a scent we've never encountered, but, instead, only heard described to us. I interpret what ZD often writes as meaning that turning attention away from thoughts or emotions about anything, and toward what we are seeing/hearing/tasting/feeling, in the moment, is the way to pursue that yet unseen color. Tolle advises to find the space between thoughts. The very meaning of 'Zen', as a verb, is to quietly meditate. It's in silence, that the unknown melody, can be found. I feel like I’m ‘awakening’ but not ‘awake’. (Although I know we are that which we seek). By that I mean, reality is more synchronistic, manifestations sometimes occur quickly, I have a completely different view of ‘health and well-being’ and see that the systems we have in place (political/medical/educational) are indeed keeping the majority in a state of slumber and in victim mode. I’ve seen much of my own ego programmes comes up for healing and had a huge heart expansion, I have a non-stop interest in spirituality. I still often get caught up in the mind stories though and they can feel very real. Less and less nowadays I guess. Thanks for sharing that. |
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Post by esponja on Oct 4, 2020 6:09:19 GMT -5
I have stated previously, I voted for Trump in 2016. Most of that was on the basis of anybody but Hillary. Also a major factor was the choosing of Supreme Court Justices. I have never regretted that decision, made then. But that was then, this is now. + #1: Strong defense of Israel, which includes moving the embassy to Jerusalem. + #2: Choosing two conservative Supreme Court Justices, plus what will be a 3rd. minus: The China trade negotiations. I don't think he knows enough about international trade to know what he's doing (or what he did). minus: Coronavirus. We should have had central control on decisions made, not control by 50 (states). Trump should have backed the scientific experts, not cut the feet out under them. Dr. Brix has just about had enough of his nonsense. + #3: The economy. He has led the charge on the economy. But this may be as much a psychological response as much as know-how. He did bring some jobs back. He seems not to understand there is a difference between the economy and the stock market. minus: He is obviously a bigot, but he may not be aware this is the case. + #4: Choosing numerous conservative federal judges, of course with Senate help. minus: He thinks he is smarter than most anybody, always the smartest one in the room. "I know more than the generals". (nonsense). I know more than the doctors. (nonsense). He should know his own limitations and recognize when someone knows more about a subject than he. He lives by his second gut-brain, his instincts. He is crashing and burning by doing so. minus: No healthcare plan to replace ACA. McCain saved ACA. With a 6-3 court ACA will probably come down. If nothing is there to replace it, colossal mess. We need a single payer system to save healthcare. Rich people pay their fair share (in a National health plan), but ATST they should be able to pay for whatever healthcare they wish, IOW, pay extra for themselves. minus: He seems to think US money is his money. Example, he dismantled the committee that had a watch on Internation al virus outbreak, merely to save money. This was a colossal error. We were caught flatfooted with Coronavirus. minus: He lies every day. Most of this is deliberate, he thinks if he says it enough, people will believe what he says. minus: He thrives on causing chaos. minus: His posturing on being a law and order candidate. I'm having trouble coming up with a + #5, probably missing something obvious. OK, + #5: Strong military support. (If I think of a + #6, I'll edit). Okay, thanks. I wrote a rather long replay, but I am sensing this is one of those perpetual circular discussions that don't really go anywhere. But before I follow Zeniac's good example and move on to something non-dual, just let me say something about your last three negatives. Scott Adams, one of the few people who predicted a Trump presidency pretty early on, wrote a book, Win Bigly, where he looked at the 2016 election thru the filter of a hypnotist and his conclusion was that DJT's persuasion techniques are on par with the medias persuasion techniques (if not better). So what you would consider as repetitive lies, chaos, posturing or bigotry thru a conventional filter, are actually high-powered tools in the battle for our minds and attention thru the persuasion filter. If you are interested, read the book. I highly recommend it to people who just can't make sense of what's happening here. It will explain in detail why he says what he says the way he says it and why he does what he does the way he does it. He's not a fool and he isn't lost either. In fact, he does understand LOA and he's been beating the media at their own game for years now. So maybe you can add that as your + #6. Downloaded Win Bigly on ibooks today. Am really enjoying it 😊 |
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Post by Reefs on Oct 4, 2020 8:00:50 GMT -5
Downloaded Win Bigly on ibooks today. Am really enjoying it 😊 "Only Rosie O'Donnell" ( video) --> double-bind score: fail --> troll level: pro  |
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Post by Reefs on Oct 4, 2020 11:09:41 GMT -5
I’m British, normally very good with sarcasm 🤣 missed this one! Haha! Yes totally and utterly agree on all points! I was never ever political unrtil this year but 750 facebook friends of whom 400 are probably spiritual certainly opened my eyes to both sides. I was so naive in commenting on what I saw as a ‘fear based’ media story on my fb page only to be slammed by what I now recognise as lefties. It confused the hell out of me. I had all sorts crawling out of the woodwork, and I wasn’t even attempting to be political, just trying to show people that fear lowers the immune system. It’s been a massive learning curve. I’ve certainly had my own kind of awakening this year and ultimately came back to, I am responsible for my own vibration and reality. That really is where the power is. I've heard similar stories. A lot of people losing business, friends, even family members due to their differing political views. Which tells me there's something way out of balance here. So based on how history usually goes, I'd expect a counter movement that will bring things back into balance. It's already been in the news that generation Z is a lot more traditionally oriented, almost conservative, than previous generations. So it seems we experience some kind of peak right now. I think a lot of the confusion these days has to do with our overexposure to these electronic devices, it makes people less focused, easily distracted, shortens their attention span... there's even a name for it, digital dementia. I mean, how many people are still able to enjoy a sunset? They probably immediately take out their phone, take a picture and hit the share button. |
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Post by Reefs on Oct 4, 2020 11:34:13 GMT -5
IOW, it's this need for a collective identity based on a common history which causes all this trouble again. People refer back to times they've never even experienced and even quarrel about what happened and didn't happen and what's the right way to look at it. What else could go wrong? Our values keep changing. Our perspectives keep changing. What was perfectly acceptable 100 years ago and no one would have even given a thought to, can create outrage today. The opposite is also true, what created outrage 100 years ago, is perfectly acceptable today and no would give it any thought. That's how, I think, hi story (our own collective stories, really) keeps changing. Oh, no doubt. All it takes is a brief - although deep - contemplation to realize just how limited various media of memory, such as our minds, pictures, books and recordings, truly are. My guess is it takes a deeper peek down the rabbit warren for most folks to really appreciate how that applies to their own sense of reality and identity. This gets right to the heart of the question of objective reality, as well. Is there a "true story"? .. heh heh. There is, and there isn't, for two reasons: the existential ambiguity of truth and, as you pointed out, the malleable nature of stories. The first is the failure of objectivity, the second, the failure of subjectivity. Reality, is neither objective, nor subjective, but instead, indivisible, ineffable, eternal and limitless. But, life goes on, and politics, of course, is a movement of mind and emotion, both individuated and collective, very far afield from the existential truth. Just because politics is, at best, a distraction from the existential truth doesn't mean that it doesn't sometimes impact peoples lives quite directly. So, it interests them. Along those lines and in this context, there is an objective narrative, and politics is the game of manipulating that objective narrative to influence the emotions (the subjectivity) of groups of people. There is no politician nor any "news" media innocent of this manipulation, but some manipulators distort the objective narrative more than others. Exactly. The term 'politics' seems to have different connotations, so I thought I look it up in the dictionary. Here's the 4 main definitions I've found: So it is basically about relationships between the individual and the collective, or put in existential terms: self vs. others. |
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Post by Reefs on Oct 4, 2020 11:47:14 GMT -5
Marketing, politics, hypnotism and entertainment all share a particular characteristic. When they're effective, they lead their audience deeper into a form of trance. The goal seems to be to not let you listen to your inner guidance, to make you reliant on outer guidance. In entertainment, however, I see some notable exceptions, especially movies. I've already mentioned Network (1976), They Live (1988) and The Matrix (1999). So I think here it depends on how one approaches it. Entertainment can also be a tool to get into alignment or resolve contrast. I sometimes use it that way (mostly music, a good movie can work wonders too) because anything that distracts us from our fixation on problems potentially brings us closer to discovering solutions. |
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Post by laughter on Oct 4, 2020 15:49:32 GMT -5
Marketing, politics, hypnotism and entertainment all share a particular characteristic. When they're effective, they lead their audience deeper into a form of trance. The goal seems to be to not let you listen to your inner guidance, to make you reliant on outer guidance. In entertainment, however, I see some notable exceptions, especially movies. I've already mentioned Network (1976), They Live (1988) and The Matrix (1999). So I think here it depends on how one approaches it. Entertainment can also be a tool to get into alignment or resolve contrast. I sometimes use it that way (mostly music, a good movie can work wonders too) because anything that distracts us from our fixation on problems potentially brings us closer to discovering solutions. Yes, we can make the same comment as to inviting a trance about, say, Tolle, or Adya or Niz, etc.. There's that aphorism: use a thorn to remove a thorn. Not all trances are created equal, they have the potential to lead in a myriad of different directions, and, they're all always a matter of degree. |
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Post by esponja on Oct 5, 2020 8:15:06 GMT -5
Downloaded Win Bigly on ibooks today. Am really enjoying it 😊 "Only Rosie O'Donnell" ( video) --> double-bind score: fail --> troll level: pro Well DJT having ‘covid’ is making sense right now. Guess where all the attention is (or more to the point) isn’t? |
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Post by Reefs on Oct 6, 2020 5:54:41 GMT -5
"Only Rosie O'Donnell" ( video) --> double-bind score: fail --> troll level: pro Well DJT having ‘covid’ is making sense right now. Guess where all the attention is (or more to the point) isn’t? There are different ways of looking at the news. One way is to look at the news as reporting facts and actual events. The other way is to look at the news as just a story that tries to make sense of facts and events. Now, most probably expect the news to report actual events. But with the rise of fake news, what we very often get is not facts and actual events, but opinions about facts and events, that may or may not even be actual. So the lines between fact and fiction get extremely blurred. The best example is the story you are referring to in your post. Adams, who basically sees everything in the news as scripted in some way (that's why he calls it a simulation) called it a typical third act in a good movie, i.e. the story moves along with some ups and downs but then the hero suddenly meets severe hardships and it looks as if he's not going to make it but then suddenly he succeeds miraculously and gets out of it stronger than ever before. He also mentioned that we've seen a test version of that movie before (Johnson, UK). So, that's certainly a rather cynical way of looking at the news, but just wait and see what's going to unfold in the coming days and if that story view of the news gives more accurate predictions than the traditional view of news or not. Now, just because it is presented as an exciting story, like a good Hollywood movie, doesn't mean that the events presented are fiction. That's not what I am saying and also not what Adams is saying. We are just talking about as it is presented to us, the consumer of news, at the very bottom of the information chain. You see, you can break news earlier or later or never, and you can break them isolated or in combination with other related news so that they either stand out or get buried in the noise. You can spill it all at once and shock people or just let out a tiny bit every day here and there so that people get used to it or even shut it out of their field of awareness. News agencies have a lot of (creative) latitude here, in how they can direct where the attention of most people goes. It's the same power a magician has ("Don't look here, look over there!"). That's why I am saying, be careful where you put your attention. Where you put your attention is the only freedom of choice you have. And once someone has your full and undivided attention, he's going to decide what direction your life goes, not you. Nevertheless, I think the influence of the MSM is fading rapidly because the real news seems to be mostly happening on social media these days, especially twitter. People see what's going on. And this recent event may have contributed to that and people take back control over their focus/attention, they start listening to their inner guidance again and by doing that break the spell of the simulation, as you can see here. |
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Post by Peter on Oct 7, 2020 3:40:46 GMT -5
I see a far right and an intolerant far left We watched the Netflix docu-drama "The Social Dilemma" as a family the other night and it made the point that social media is entirely focussed on trying to engage your attention for as long as possible (so as to show you more ads) and that more extreme posts get more attention. They showed a graph of political position over time and how both left and right are moving away from the centre ground. Recommended viewing for either side of the debate. |
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Post by esponja on Oct 7, 2020 5:09:16 GMT -5
I see a far right and an intolerant far left We watched the Netflix docu-drama "The Social Dilemma" as a family the other night and it made the point that social media is entirely focussed on trying to engage your attention for as long as possible (so as to show you more ads) and that more extreme posts get more attention. They showed a graph of political position over time and how both left and right are moving away from the centre ground. Recommended viewing for either side of the debate. Yes, I also watched it with my family. It was very good, although perhaps a little on the ‘left. Still, it made a lot of sense. I use my facebook for business but really wish I could come off it. Actually, in writing this, I’m wondering if I can. Perhaps that’s just a belief |
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Post by inavalan on Oct 8, 2020 15:00:49 GMT -5
Love and Politics A few days ago, I tried to write about love and politics. I failed miserably because it is a very difficult topic to write about. I was trying to suggest that what political ideology a person chooses is not as important as what he is trying to do with that ideology. An idea is not good or bad but can become either one depending on how it is being used. When a person feels miserable about his philosophy, it is a good indication that something has gone wrong. If there is no clear line of direction between one’s thought system and a loving state of being, that philosophy needs to be reexamined. Is one’s philosophy bringing out one’s true nature? Even if the philosophy is technically neutral, if it makes a person feel miserable, there is a good chance that he is not using it as a neutral philosophy. A philosophy that has no surprises in it has lost its abstraction. I believe there is a correlation between limited abstraction and a person engaging in obsessive thoughts. Maybe it can be said that because of a person’s obsessive thoughts he is applying excess to his philosophy. He might be trying to get to the essence of what he is doing but when he uses an excessive amount of thoughts, it is like he is using force against force. , I'd put it on "suspend" and audit it, with the intention to fix it. It is always good to keep a healthy reservation about what you believe. Maybe the problem you encountered is caused by unsuccessfully trying to force reality into the stereotypes you adopted. |
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