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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 20, 2019 9:45:25 GMT -5
All things are possible in the dream simply because it is a dream. All things are not possible in actuality. For example, multiplicity cannot be actually true, as Oneness cannot be actually divided. K's personal God cannot be actually true. Subjectivity being able to objectify itself cannot be actually true. It can only seem so.Or we could say that the inner never really becomes an outer. The doctor ran out of surgical gloves. The one left wasn't autoclaved and dusty. The woman was waiting in the IE room for the internal exam. She was bleeding. What the doctor did so he could use the dusty glove by inverting it. The inner part of the glove became the outer . The Doctor placed his digits into the dusty part of the glove and proceed to do an IE on the woman. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 20, 2019 20:44:03 GMT -5
Okay, but that means all action. Not just the action of apparent cause, but also the action of apparent effect. This means God is the cause of both cause and effect, not billiard balls. God's also present in the billiard balls as inert energy. The notion that God is present in material objects is a bit of a misconception. The objects are appearing in God. (God being Consciousness) |
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Post by enigma on Feb 20, 2019 20:48:48 GMT -5
All things are possible in the dream simply because it is a dream. All things are not possible in actuality. For example, multiplicity cannot be actually true, as Oneness cannot be actually divided. K's personal God cannot be actually true. Subjectivity being able to objectify itself cannot be actually true. It can only seem so.Or we could say that the inner never really becomes an outer. Can never be an object of perception, as that which is perceiving is prior to any object of perception forming within that perceiver. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 20, 2019 21:25:15 GMT -5
God's also present in the billiard balls as inert energy. The notion that God is present in material objects is a bit of a misconception. The objects are appearing in God. (God being Consciousness) Bhagavad - Gita Chapters 13. 18 " It is understood that all the planets are floating in the air only by the energy of the Lord. The Lord enters into every atom, every planet, and every living being. " Purport: It is said there that one plenary portion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Paramātmā, enters into the planets, the universe, the living entity, and even into the atom. Bhagavad - Gita 15.13 "I enter into each planet, and by My energy they stay in orbit. I become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all vegetables." Purport : It is understood that all the planets are floating in the air only by the energy of the Lord. The Lord enters into every atom, every planet, and every living being. That is discussed in the Brahma-saṁhitā. It is said there that one plenary portion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Paramātmā, enters into the planets, the universe, the living entity, and even into the atom. So due to His entrance, everything is appropriately manifested. When the spirit soul is there, a living man can float on the water, but when the living spark is out of the body and the body is dead, the body sinks. Of course when it is decomposed it floats just like straw and other things, but as soon as the man is dead, he at once sinks in the water. Similarly, all these planets are floating in space, and this is due to the entrance of the supreme energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. His energy is sustaining each planet, just like a handful of dust. If someone holds a handful of dust, there is no possibility of the dust's falling, but if one throws it in the air it will fall down. Similarly, these planets, which are floating in the air, are actually held in the fist of the universal form of the Supreme Lord. By His strength and energy, all moving and nonmoving things stay in their place. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 21, 2019 19:26:18 GMT -5
The notion that God is present in material objects is a bit of a misconception. The objects are appearing in God. (God being Consciousness) Bhagavad - Gita Chapters 13. 18 " It is understood that all the planets are floating in the air only by the energy of the Lord. The Lord enters into every atom, every planet, and every living being. " Purport: It is said there that one plenary portion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Paramātmā, enters into the planets, the universe, the living entity, and even into the atom. Bhagavad - Gita 15.13 "I enter into each planet, and by My energy they stay in orbit. I become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all vegetables." Purport : It is understood that all the planets are floating in the air only by the energy of the Lord. The Lord enters into every atom, every planet, and every living being. That is discussed in the Brahma-saṁhitā. It is said there that one plenary portion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Paramātmā, enters into the planets, the universe, the living entity, and even into the atom. So due to His entrance, everything is appropriately manifested. When the spirit soul is there, a living man can float on the water, but when the living spark is out of the body and the body is dead, the body sinks. Of course when it is decomposed it floats just like straw and other things, but as soon as the man is dead, he at once sinks in the water. Similarly, all these planets are floating in space, and this is due to the entrance of the supreme energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. His energy is sustaining each planet, just like a handful of dust. If someone holds a handful of dust, there is no possibility of the dust's falling, but if one throws it in the air it will fall down. Similarly, these planets, which are floating in the air, are actually held in the fist of the universal form of the Supreme Lord. By His strength and energy, all moving and nonmoving things stay in their place. Akchooly, the body sinks if and when the air in the lungs is replaced with water. (Ask your doctor about that) As for the rest of it, it's a story that mind can easily grasp, but the truth is what I said, not what the Gita says. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 21, 2019 20:37:35 GMT -5
Bhagavad - Gita Chapters 13. 18 " It is understood that all the planets are floating in the air only by the energy of the Lord. The Lord enters into every atom, every planet, and every living being. " Purport: It is said there that one plenary portion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Paramātmā, enters into the planets, the universe, the living entity, and even into the atom. Bhagavad - Gita 15.13 "I enter into each planet, and by My energy they stay in orbit. I become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all vegetables." Purport : It is understood that all the planets are floating in the air only by the energy of the Lord. The Lord enters into every atom, every planet, and every living being. That is discussed in the Brahma-saṁhitā. It is said there that one plenary portion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Paramātmā, enters into the planets, the universe, the living entity, and even into the atom. So due to His entrance, everything is appropriately manifested. When the spirit soul is there, a living man can float on the water, but when the living spark is out of the body and the body is dead, the body sinks. Of course when it is decomposed it floats just like straw and other things, but as soon as the man is dead, he at once sinks in the water. Similarly, all these planets are floating in space, and this is due to the entrance of the supreme energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. His energy is sustaining each planet, just like a handful of dust. If someone holds a handful of dust, there is no possibility of the dust's falling, but if one throws it in the air it will fall down. Similarly, these planets, which are floating in the air, are actually held in the fist of the universal form of the Supreme Lord. By His strength and energy, all moving and nonmoving things stay in their place. Akchooly, the body sinks if and when the air in the lungs is replaced with water. (Ask your doctor about that) As for the rest of it, it's a story that mind can easily grasp, but the truth is what I said, not what the Gita says. The Gita makes more sense to me than you telling me the truth. If you know what the truth is then come on tell me what it is in words that can be understood by the layman. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 21, 2019 22:27:00 GMT -5
Akchooly, the body sinks if and when the air in the lungs is replaced with water. (Ask your doctor about that) As for the rest of it, it's a story that mind can easily grasp, but the truth is what I said, not what the Gita says. The Gita makes more sense to me than you telling me the truth. If you know what the truth is then come on tell me what it is in words that can be understood by the layman. The truth that we're talking about is that the objects are in God rather than God being in the objects, and I've already told you. I don't like stories that are told to satisfy the mind. Better to stay with the mystery and keep the mind in a state of openness. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 21, 2019 23:51:55 GMT -5
The Gita makes more sense to me than you telling me the truth. If you know what the truth is then come on tell me what it is in words that can be understood by the layman. The truth that we're talking about is that the objects are in God rather than God being in the objects, and I've already told you. I don't like stories that are told to satisfy the mind. Better to stay with the mystery and keep the mind in a state of openness. Describe to me how it could be possible the objects are in God |
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Post by Peter on Feb 22, 2019 4:33:38 GMT -5
The truth that we're talking about is that the objects are in God rather than God being in the objects, and I've already told you. I don't like stories that are told to satisfy the mind. Better to stay with the mystery and keep the mind in a state of openness. Describe to me how it could be possible the objects are in God You might find it helpful to explore the concepts of Pantheism and PanentheismOh, this might be especially relevant to you: |
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 22, 2019 6:48:42 GMT -5
Describe to me how it could be possible the objects are in God You might find it helpful to explore the concepts of Pantheism and PanentheismOh, this might be especially relevant to you: Yes that's correct. When Krsna said he does not abide in the living entities it's because its His expansion the Supersoul that is present in the heart of all living entities. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 22, 2019 7:38:49 GMT -5
Describe to me how it could be possible the objects are in God You might find it helpful to explore the concepts of Pantheism and PanentheismOh, this might be especially relevant to you: I bumped 3 posts concerning panentheism, my paradigm. |
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Post by zendancer on Feb 22, 2019 9:34:52 GMT -5
The truth that we're talking about is that the objects are in God rather than God being in the objects, and I've already told you. I don't like stories that are told to satisfy the mind. Better to stay with the mystery and keep the mind in a state of openness. Describe to me how it could be possible the objects are in God There's no way to understand what E. is pointing to without having a major realization that is beyond mind, or having an experience of oneness, which is also beyond mind. |
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 22, 2019 10:24:43 GMT -5
Describe to me how it could be possible the objects are in God There's no way to understand what E. is pointing to without having a major realization that is beyond mind, or having an experience of oneness, which is also beyond mind. When it's beyond mind there can never be an explanation. This things that need to be describe we refer to the sastras, authorised books like Srimad Bhagavatam, Bhagavad Gita As It Is, Teachings of Lord Caitanya. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 22, 2019 12:38:11 GMT -5
The truth that we're talking about is that the objects are in God rather than God being in the objects, and I've already told you. I don't like stories that are told to satisfy the mind. Better to stay with the mystery and keep the mind in a state of openness. Describe to me how it could be possible the objects are in God Look at God as consciousness. Everything that appears would then appear in that consciousness, and would literally be one with that consciousness. It would also imply that appearances don't exist outside of that consciousness, and therefore God could not dwell within those objects. Appearances are not inhabited by God, they ARE God. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 22, 2019 12:51:06 GMT -5
You might find it helpful to explore the concepts of Pantheism and PanentheismOh, this might be especially relevant to you: Yes that's correct. When Krsna said he does not abide in the living entities it's because its His expansion the Supersoul that is present in the heart of all living entities. This is a cake layer to connect the false idea of a personal God to the false idea of living entities. |
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