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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 30, 2019 16:47:04 GMT -5
Recently I commented on body-knowledge in a reply concerning ZD, and he told me body-knowledge is merely a pointer. I was disappointed in this, as I thought we were closer in agreement on this matter (it's not just a pointer). Considering how to reply I combined the headless way with the old story of the tenth man (told by Wei Wu Wei among many others), somewhat altering the story. Ten men were once on an arduous journey, afoot. They crossed a treacherous river and one man decided to do a headcount to make sure all were safely across the river. He came up with only nine, and feared one man was lost in the swift current. He had another to count, and he also came up with only nine. Another seven each counted in turn, they also arriving at nine, and all distraught. But then the tenth man, headless, having watched the others count, just continued the journey, unconcerned. Now, you have to ~*do*~ the story, not just read it (just like you have to do the experiments of Harding). Most of you are probably familiar with the headless way of Douglas Harding and have seen some of his drawings showing it. So picture, and do, the egoless/headless view of the chest-down body (the tenth headless man). Are you one of the nine or the tenth headless man? (IOW, do you live in your head, or not?) And, having once maybe understood the headless way, having done the experiment, how often do you actually live the headless way? www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1OKWM_enUS763US763&q=headless+image+by+douglas+harding+to+copy+free&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5q8vTv5bgAhUM11kKHabyCWkQsAR6BAgDEAE&biw=1680&bih=939&safe=active&ssui=on#imgrc=M9tQj-XEgeEGcM: |
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Post by krsnaraja on Jan 30, 2019 19:44:08 GMT -5
A witch looks at the world upside down looking at persons bending his body through the legs.
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2019 20:51:11 GMT -5
Recently I commented on body-knowledge in a reply concerning ZD, and he told me body-knowledge is merely a pointer. I was disappointed in this, as I thought we were closer in agreement on this matter (it's not just a pointer). Considering how to reply I combined the headless way with the old story of the tenth man (told by Wei Wu Wei among many others), somewhat altering the story. Ten men were once on an arduous journey, afoot. They crossed a treacherous river and one man decided to do a headcount to make sure all were safely across the river. He came up with only nine, and feared one man was lost in the swift current. He had another to count, and he also came up with only nine. Another seven each counted in turn, they also arriving at nine, and all distraught. But then the tenth man, headless, having watched the others count, just continued the journey, unconcerned. Now, you have to ~*do*~ the story, not just read it (just like you have to do the experiments of Harding). Most of you are probably familiar with the headless way of Douglas Harding and have seen some of his drawings showing it. So picture, and do, the egoless/headless view of the chest-down body (the tenth headless man). Are you one of the nine or the tenth headless man? (IOW, do you live in your head, or not?) And, having once maybe understood the headless way, having done the experiment, how often do you actually live the headless way? www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1OKWM_enUS763US763&q=headless+image+by+douglas+harding+to+copy+free&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5q8vTv5bgAhUM11kKHabyCWkQsAR6BAgDEAE&biw=1680&bih=939&safe=active&ssui=on#imgrc=M9tQj-XEgeEGcM:Yes, body knowledge is a pointer. (No idea how that relates to the story) |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 31, 2019 15:27:42 GMT -5
Recently I commented on body-knowledge in a reply concerning ZD, and he told me body-knowledge is merely a pointer. I was disappointed in this, as I thought we were closer in agreement on this matter (it's not just a pointer). Considering how to reply I combined the headless way with the old story of the tenth man (told by Wei Wu Wei among many others), somewhat altering the story. Ten men were once on an arduous journey, afoot. They crossed a treacherous river and one man decided to do a headcount to make sure all were safely across the river. He came up with only nine, and feared one man was lost in the swift current. He had another to count, and he also came up with only nine. Another seven each counted in turn, they also arriving at nine, and all distraught. But then the tenth man, headless, having watched the others count, just continued the journey, unconcerned. Now, you have to ~*do*~ the story, not just read it (just like you have to do the experiments of Harding). Most of you are probably familiar with the headless way of Douglas Harding and have seen some of his drawings showing it. So picture, and do, the egoless/headless view of the chest-down body (the tenth headless man). Are you one of the nine or the tenth headless man? (IOW, do you live in your head, or not?) And, having once maybe understood the headless way, having done the experiment, how often do you actually live the headless way? www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1OKWM_enUS763US763&q=headless+image+by+douglas+harding+to+copy+free&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5q8vTv5bgAhUM11kKHabyCWkQsAR6BAgDEAE&biw=1680&bih=939&safe=active&ssui=on#imgrc=M9tQj-XEgeEGcM:Yes, body knowledge is a pointer. (No idea how that relates to the story) Well....I thought body knowledge meant...body knowledge. (Which the story has to do with). |
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Post by enigma on Jan 31, 2019 18:23:58 GMT -5
Yes, body knowledge is a pointer. (No idea how that relates to the story) Well....I thought body knowledge meant...body knowledge. (Which the story has to do with). The story is about body knowledge? How so? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 31, 2019 19:10:57 GMT -5
Well....I thought body knowledge meant...body knowledge. (Which the story has to do with). The story is about body knowledge? How so? What is always present yet most of the time we are not aware of its presence? |
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Post by maxdprophet on Feb 1, 2019 9:59:41 GMT -5
The story is about body knowledge? How so? What is always present yet most of the time we are not aware of its presence? I read that story to mean that the 'headless' one was unencumbered by conceptual errors -- the 'head.' The headless, unlike the others, was not so overwhelmed with the information that 'there are ten' that they forgot to count themselves. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 1, 2019 11:35:06 GMT -5
What is always present yet most of the time we are not aware of its presence? I read that story to mean that the 'headless' one was unencumbered by conceptual errors -- the 'head.' The headless, unlike the others, was not so overwhelmed with the information that 'there are ten' that they forgot to count themselves. Yes, they didn't count their self...but as to why...(it's a kind-of koan)...IOW, your answer as to why is not simple enough. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2019 11:45:02 GMT -5
The story is about body knowledge? How so? What is always present yet most of the time we are not aware of its presence? Our actual beingness. Body knowledge, as I understand the concept, refers to the body's natural intelligence in knowing how to pump blood through your veins and how best to respond to the next event. It's a pointer to the Intelligence of Being, omniscient in it's wholeness, sovereign in it scope. The only thing Beingness doesn't know is what that has to do with the tenth man story. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 1, 2019 11:47:37 GMT -5
What is always present yet most of the time we are not aware of its presence? I read that story to mean that the 'headless' one was unencumbered by conceptual errors -- the 'head.' The headless, unlike the others, was not so overwhelmed with the information that 'there are ten' that they forgot to count themselves. It's a story about not losing your head when faced with crossing a treacherous river.  |
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 1, 2019 17:10:26 GMT -5
Knowledge of the body is knowing the anatomy, physiology, biochemistry and histology of each body parts e. g. heart, lungs, spleen, gall bladder, liver, stomach, small and large intestines, kidneys, ureters, urinary bladder, urethra, prostate, uterus, ovaries, fallopian tubes, adrenals etc. Knowledge of the head is knowing the anatomy, physiology, biochemistry and histology of the brain, the ears, the nose, the eyes, the mouth, the pharynx etc. Then there's knowlege of the neck. One has to know the anatomy, physiology, biochemistry and histology of the thyroids the esophagus the trachea the larynx etc.
Then there's knowledge of the upper and lower extremities the hands the feet etc.
Then there's knowledge of pathologic conditions of these structures mentioned and how to treat them with drugs whatever.
Then there's knowledge of the mind, the psyche. It's called psychology, psychiatry.
Physicians specialise on these different fields of knowledge. They go to process of studying and applying what they know from the time they go to med school to the time they start practicing after they passed the boards.
Physicians if they are still able may continue practicing the art.
So where's the 10th man in all of these? He's the one "1" and carrying his head " 0" on his side.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 2, 2019 12:40:24 GMT -5
What is always present yet most of the time we are not aware of its presence? Our actual beingness. Body knowledge, as I understand the concept, refers to the body's natural intelligence in knowing how to pump blood through your veins and how best to respond to the next event. It's a pointer to the Intelligence of Being, omniscient in it's wholeness, sovereign in it scope. The only thing Beingness doesn't know is what that has to do with the tenth man story. Yes, actual beingness. But it's more simple than that. But what's simple is not easy. For the nine who counted nine (maxdp is correct, the nine forgot to count themselves, that is, they didn't remember to count their self), simple is not easy. For the tenth headless man, the simple is easy. For a man always conscious (which is not easy), simple is easy. (The answer is self-validating, so I won't give the answer). |
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Post by krsnaraja on Feb 2, 2019 18:15:58 GMT -5
Our actual beingness. Body knowledge, as I understand the concept, refers to the body's natural intelligence in knowing how to pump blood through your veins and how best to respond to the next event. It's a pointer to the Intelligence of Being, omniscient in it's wholeness, sovereign in it scope. The only thing Beingness doesn't know is what that has to do with the tenth man story. Yes, actual beingness. But it's more simple than that. But what's simple is not easy. For the nine who counted nine (maxdp is correct, the nine forgot to count themselves, that is, they didn't remember to count their self), simple is not easy. For the tenth headless man, the simple is easy. For a man always conscious (which is not easy), simple is easy. (The answer is self-validating, so I won't give the answer). Sometimes we forget we have a body. It takes one let us know by giving this body a blow. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 2, 2019 19:49:04 GMT -5
Yes, actual beingness. But it's more simple than that. But what's simple is not easy. For the nine who counted nine (maxdp is correct, the nine forgot to count themselves, that is, they didn't remember to count their self), simple is not easy. For the tenth headless man, the simple is easy. For a man always conscious (which is not easy), simple is easy. (The answer is self-validating, so I won't give the answer). Sometimes we forget we have a body. It takes one let us know by giving this body a blow. Who forgets they have a body? |
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Post by etolle on Feb 2, 2019 20:01:59 GMT -5
Sometimes we forget we have a body. It takes one let us know by giving this body a blow. Who forgets they have a body? that's funny right there I don't care who ye are.lol...who forgets they have a body...some of these threads |
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