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Post by laughter on Jan 28, 2016 18:06:37 GMT -5
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Post by enigma on Jan 28, 2016 18:48:04 GMT -5
In this discussion, I don't care what the deep psychological issues are for wanting to do something. I'm just saying one wants to do something, and also does not want to do it, which is crazy and results in unnecessary conflict. No doubt, It does sound crazy when you phrase it like that. I agree. And I've observed as I sat with a friend in my living room, engaged in animated conversation, (amazingly enough) about such things as 'being conscious, awakening, etc. etc. and then she suddenly interrupts her discourse on how she is 'finally seeing things with crystal clarity' to tell me, she 'needs' to pop out the door to have a ciggy....shaking her head, saying, 'I really am going to quit one of these days'....while I sit there and wonder why she does not seem interested in looking at why she is doing what she's doing and get to the bottom of it (as that to me seems to be the solution). So...What exactly would you suggest to someone who is doing this...'cause it sounds as though you don't see the underlying issue of soothing emotional discomfort as being particularly important. Addressing the underlying issue IS important, but it's not what we're talking about, and such issues can get extremely complex, involving one's toadal understanding of life and one's place in it. What we're talking about is why she wants to smoke, and also quit, and struggles with that. She's playing a game with herself, and realizing that will put an end to the game. It may or may not put an end to her smoking, but there won't be any more struggle about it. I already know she's not seeing things with crystal clarity because her mind is split, which means she is unconscious. Unconsciousness doesn't see things with crystal clarity. |
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Post by figgles on Jan 29, 2016 0:06:56 GMT -5
No doubt, It does sound crazy when you phrase it like that. I agree. And I've observed as I sat with a friend in my living room, engaged in animated conversation, (amazingly enough) about such things as 'being conscious, awakening, etc. etc. and then she suddenly interrupts her discourse on how she is 'finally seeing things with crystal clarity' to tell me, she 'needs' to pop out the door to have a ciggy....shaking her head, saying, 'I really am going to quit one of these days'....while I sit there and wonder why she does not seem interested in looking at why she is doing what she's doing and get to the bottom of it (as that to me seems to be the solution). So...What exactly would you suggest to someone who is doing this...'cause it sounds as though you don't see the underlying issue of soothing emotional discomfort as being particularly important. Addressing the underlying issue IS important, but it's not what we're talking about, and such issues can get extremely complex, involving one's toadal understanding of life and one's place in it. What we're talking about is why she wants to smoke, and also quit, and struggles with that. She's playing a game with herself, and realizing that will put an end to the game. It may or may not put an end to her smoking, but there won't be any more struggle about it. I already know she's not seeing things with crystal clarity because her mind is split, which means she is unconscious. Unconsciousness doesn't see things with crystal clarity. Yeah...there is nothing there I would not agree with actually...especially the 'such issues can get extremely complex' bit. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 29, 2016 6:55:43 GMT -5
No doubt, It does sound crazy when you phrase it like that. I agree. And I've observed as I sat with a friend in my living room, engaged in animated conversation, (amazingly enough) about such things as 'being conscious, awakening, etc. etc. and then she suddenly interrupts her discourse on how she is 'finally seeing things with crystal clarity' to tell me, she 'needs' to pop out the door to have a ciggy....shaking her head, saying, 'I really am going to quit one of these days'....while I sit there and wonder why she does not seem interested in looking at why she is doing what she's doing and get to the bottom of it (as that to me seems to be the solution). So...What exactly would you suggest to someone who is doing this...'cause it sounds as though you don't see the underlying issue of soothing emotional discomfort as being particularly important. Addressing the underlying issue IS important, but it's not what we're talking about, and such issues can get extremely complex, involving one's toadal understanding of life and one's place in it. What we're talking about is why she wants to smoke, and also quit, and struggles with that. She's playing a game with herself, and realizing that will put an end to the game. It may or may not put an end to her smoking, but there won't be any more struggle about it. I already know she's not seeing things with crystal clarity because her mind is split, which means she is unconscious. Unconsciousness doesn't see things with crystal clarity. You do not " already know", you are describing what you 'think/believe' about someone else based on the beliefs you hold as true, the beliefs you are attached to.. you're so busy trying to manipulate others you are overlooking your own confusion.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 8:46:57 GMT -5
I've just deleted a couple of posts in this thread that were reported to contain personally identifying information. P all information is personally identified by someone isn't it? |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2016 11:58:10 GMT -5
Addressing the underlying issue IS important, but it's not what we're talking about, and such issues can get extremely complex, involving one's toadal understanding of life and one's place in it. What we're talking about is why she wants to smoke, and also quit, and struggles with that. She's playing a game with herself, and realizing that will put an end to the game. It may or may not put an end to her smoking, but there won't be any more struggle about it. I already know she's not seeing things with crystal clarity because her mind is split, which means she is unconscious. Unconsciousness doesn't see things with crystal clarity. You do not " already know", you are describing what you 'think/believe' about someone else based on the beliefs you hold as true, the beliefs you are attached to.. you're so busy trying to manipulate others you are overlooking your own confusion.. Unconsciousness projects with wonderful clarity because it has no idea it's projecting, and so doesn't filter anything out. |
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Post by Peter on Jan 29, 2016 20:25:52 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Jan 30, 2016 1:28:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 12:53:17 GMT -5
No doubt, It does sound crazy when you phrase it like that. I agree. And I've observed as I sat with a friend in my living room, engaged in animated conversation, (amazingly enough) about such things as 'being conscious, awakening, etc. etc. and then she suddenly interrupts her discourse on how she is 'finally seeing things with crystal clarity' to tell me, she 'needs' to pop out the door to have a ciggy....shaking her head, saying, 'I really am going to quit one of these days'....while I sit there and wonder why she does not seem interested in looking at why she is doing what she's doing and get to the bottom of it (as that to me seems to be the solution). So...What exactly would you suggest to someone who is doing this...'cause it sounds as though you don't see the underlying issue of soothing emotional discomfort as being particularly important. such issues can get extremely complex, involving one's toadal understanding of life and one's place in it.
with 320 billion galaxies out there, that is perhaps a bit much to expect ? I already know she's not seeing things with crystal clarity because her mind is split, which means she is unconscious. Unconsciousness doesn't see things with crystal clarity.as i pointed out in OP , everybodies mind is split.If it werent you´d be able to shapeshift. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 2, 2016 19:30:42 GMT -5
such issues can get extremely complex, involving one's toadal understanding of life and one's place in it.
with 320 billion galaxies out there, that is perhaps a bit much to expect ? I already know she's not seeing things with crystal clarity because her mind is split, which means she is unconscious. Unconsciousness doesn't see things with crystal clarity.as i pointed out in OP , everybodies mind is split.If it werent you´d be able to shapeshift. I dunno what split mind has to do with shape shifting. Right off the top, I'd say not a blessed thing.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 19:46:52 GMT -5
such issues can get extremely complex, involving one's toadal understanding of life and one's place in it.
with 320 billion galaxies out there, that is perhaps a bit much to expect ? I already know she's not seeing things with crystal clarity because her mind is split, which means she is unconscious. Unconsciousness doesn't see things with crystal clarity.as i pointed out in OP , everybodies mind is split.If it werent you´d be able to shapeshift. I dunno what split mind has to do with shape shifting. Right off the top, I'd say not a blessed thing. split mind as you explain it , or as how i understand you, is suggesting that mind stops somewhere -i could not discover exactly where,- what i say is that it extends all the way down into the cells...and as long as mental (mind) patterns reign the body, you have ´´split mind´´. we covered this earlier this thread.We can agree to disagree.Just thought i´d mention it for those trying to make sense of what you say. it might explain why they dont understand it. shapeshifting is a way to express the unsplit mind.If it is healthy i dont know.probably not from minds point of view. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 2, 2016 22:01:34 GMT -5
I dunno what split mind has to do with shape shifting. Right off the top, I'd say not a blessed thing. -i could not discover exactly where,- what i say is that it extends all the way down into the cells...and as long as mental (mind) patterns reign the body, you have ´´split mind´´. we covered this earlier this thread.We can agree to disagree.Just thought i´d mention it for those trying to make sense of what you say. it might explain why they dont understand it. shapeshifting is a way to express the unsplit mind.If it is healthy i dont know.probably not from minds point of view. No, that's unrelated to anything I've ever said about split mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 22:24:42 GMT -5
split mind as you explain it , or as how i understand you, is suggesting that mind stops somewhere -i could not discover exactly where,- what i say is that it extends all the way down into the cells...and as long as mental (mind) patterns reign the body, you have ´´split mind´´. we covered this earlier this thread.We can agree to disagree.Just thought i´d mention it for those trying to make sense of what you say. it might explain why they dont understand it. shapeshifting is a way to express the unsplit mind.If it is healthy i dont know.probably not from minds point of view. No, that's unrelated to anything I've ever said about split mind. then your explanation is partial, as in ´´not complete´´. You agree that mind governs part of the body--like the cells?Not as in ´´i am aware of the ´´mind of the cells´´but as a subconscious mechanism that has a mental aspect to it? After all, we know that cells respond to thoughts, (work of Candace Pert).You excluding that seems to me to be exactly--´´split mind´´. if i got this wrong, then your terminology is confusing.Sorry.Just as we can have ´´conscious thoughts´´, we can have involuntary thoughts, a similar thing goes on in the mind of the cells. from another angle: if you quieten the vital mind (emotions) you will discover underneath it another layer of ´´thought´´--this is the ´´mind of the cells´´.Just disconnecting from it is not the same as quietening it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 5:11:55 GMT -5
Your sock puppets each represent instances of a SM. You justify your multi-SM with concepts about energy and chakras. Understanding how that energy functions is useful, and has been critical for me, but it has nothing to do with multiple ego sock puppets. You have one ego. You don't "let a little bastard out for ten seconds", you just get pissed and then frame your reaction in terms that make it seem to you that you're still in control.
i understand that from your perspective, which is theorethical,or at least based on limited observation,you have to say that, but it is not showing a correct understamding of what goes on in mind. so nope--i explained how i came to sock puppets in another post to you--and the healer explained it was so--i obeserved and saw it was so.. this healer ,sorry, seems far superior to you in understanding and action.if i find that post back i will give the link sunshine said: so this is still trying to get out of individual mind-?I thought you already achieved that enigma said that individual mind is an illusion (separation) and when you enter universal mind--all others are experienced as part of yourself--and many ´´conflicts´´ there--as we see here in abundance... There's no need to get out of individual mind. You're not in it to begin with. One more time, resolving split mind is about resolving internal conflict. Folks want to get out of mind, or silence it, or obliterate it, and I understand where that comes from, but that's just more split mind. (It's mind that wants to do something nefarious with mind. Or do you think you have another thinking self outside of mind?) A betterer approach is to make mind healthy. No more unconsciousness, split mind and insanity. sunshine said yep, thanks, ..i explained betterer in a later post to you--i copy paste it here now 4you plus extra
´´what i wanted to point out, about the split mind idea--i think it is not the mind that is split, but the vital--the life force..and these are different egos iinside the one body--the mental part wants to make it one ego,
and it seems such (one ego) through continuous identification--the different emotions are in fact different energies, but going seemingly seamless over into each other...
it is useful to see it as such because keen observation shows it is like that--but we never learned to look at it like that--and it isnt really necessary if you want to get to nirvana or the transcendent.But for mastery on the level of life-force energy, you need it.
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i narrated elsewhere that a man once stopped an instoppable raging psychosis going on inside me, and he could do so because he mastered these lower chakra energies...i had lost the ´´uniting ego´´(for want of a name for it)and all these different energies fought for dominance inside me--this is the cause of the Voices many schizofrenics hear...they are energies and the mind gives them voices and faces and even identities..
If i had not had this experience myself inside out i would perhaps doubt it...another reason for me to think it is so, is that the guy who did this healing, told me that it was so...and i later observed it myself when i could step back from it...
an insight maybe worth considering...
it is btw how i came up with the notion of ´´sock puppets´´---the thing is i do identify still with these entities,but learned not to remain attached to them..i can always at will take a step back and look at it from silence...from the Transcendent...
the energies become faceless,voiceless, but nevertheless different from each other--in integral yoga we identify with the one closest to the light, and unite the rest around it, using the ´´descending force´´ to purify ...at some point you get freedom--to withdraw into -identify with-- the transcendent--but the work isntover then, at least not in integral yoga...
also you will notice that these energies are partly coming from other human beings--which is why a mental hospital is the worst possible place for someone suffering from ´´voices´´ to be--things just get worse there.So they bomb patients with tranquillizers.Pathetic incompetence.
ps with respect--i have a better understanding now of ´´where you come from´´ and can see why you say what you say... am not agreeing it is the total answer though--other approaches are possible, as i point out here...my problem with the advaita approach is that it leaves the vital--life force--unchanged..mind simply disconnects from it...and advaitists usually have no power over these energies...(tantrics do ,by the way..yet another approach--but i know very little about them)
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It was just a link to a particular page on a web site that was selling a product.