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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 5:23:33 GMT -5
the whole split mind thing is a fabrication of the mind--an attempt to understand mind and a rather crude one at that...as long as you have a body, you have ´´split mind´´, no escape from it, so whats the buzz Jan 8, 2016 at 4:39pm enigma said: ....What? sunshine says... body is ego too--separation. a zillion different parts of the body talking to each other..we may not be conscious of it and as such it doesnt bother us, but it is a very real thing and very difficult to silence. I do not trust anybody claiming to have done so, but hey it is easy to claim and impossible to verify. ´´le mental des cellules´´ (the mind of the cells) is an excerpt of a 12 year, 13 volume, diary about an exploration into cell consciousness and the difficulties silencing the cells--making them accept pure consciousness as the guiding principle--apparently they are riddled with fear and ´´impossibilities´´ .(conditionings from early stages of evolution). Anyone succeeding would be bordering onto or entering into physical immortality in radical way-- and anybody who can shapeshift has my full attention- PS i redefined ´´enlightened´´ to ´´shapeshifter´´ but that is just my take on it....puts us all an equal footing.  seeing the ego as seperate egos, has also the advantage of accepting somebody´s ´´ignorance´´ much easier, because you know it is not ´´him´´ or ´´her´´ but just a small part of him-her --a sock puppet, that is saying it. I like Laffy´s jokes often, they do not originate from the same place(not the same ego) where he criticizes my utterings here on STF. So in integral yoga, the discipline is more like: stay with the part of you that is closest to the light-(happy, fulfilled loving etc)and from there ´´manage´´ the rest--that´´best´´ part is your connection to the eternal, in this yoga a descending Force, quite easy to notice if you try, and this is what does the work of transformation,if you let it. (´´surrender´´). it is the mind that creates this illusion of ´´one ego´´(we have one body, but the lives inside it are many and many-sided) i suspect you gonna say ´´who is staying with´´..etc..and then condemn that as ´´ego´´. But that is just more mental gymnastics--the practice of surrendering itself solves these problems eventually...that Force is pure consciousness. And all these separate egos will unite and be transformed...into the heart( chakra), where a new identity is ´´born´´, or re-awakened--jiva, soul.Individual Brahman.  |
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Post by quinn on Jan 10, 2016 7:50:21 GMT -5
I don't think split mind refers to all the various sock puppets you're talking about. It's more about action vs thoughts.
I see split-mind as a potential 'noticing' tool - a way to see our own minds. It could be used in the same way as, say, notice how your actions don't jive with what you're saying. Or - notice what triggers extreme emotion in you. It's just a way to look at what we think we think, vs what our actions tell us.
It's basically about self-honesty.
The tricky part is to notice without any evaluation coming into it, because if there's even a tiny ounce of judgment, noticing has no foothold. Ego loves to condemn, that give it a lot of power. The term split-mind has a lot of negative connotation in the conversations I've seen. I'm not sure why - do people feel they're being accused of something vile?
My only beef with E's use of the term is that there seems to be an assumption that once it's noticed, that will automagically stop the madness (heh heh). Maybe, maybe not.
Oh right, I have another beef too. Calling 'taming the monkey mind' meditation a split-mind practice, as if there's something inherently dishonest about desiring a quieter mind while the mind is busy. That would be like saying - Oh, you say you want to learn how to ride a bike, but if you really wanted to learn you wouldn't use training wheels - you'd just do it.
Other than that, I think it can be kinda useful. The diet example is a good one.
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Post by quinn on Jan 10, 2016 8:49:12 GMT -5
Ice is a modification of H20. I suppose I could see it as split, but it wouldn't accomplish anything with regard to understanding. Unless you wanted to take a bath with it. |
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Post by quinn on Jan 10, 2016 9:04:36 GMT -5
Unless you wanted to take a bath with it.  Then another modification takes place. It's still the same substance. Yes it is - that's kinda the point. (Ok, I'm done standing up for one of E's theories. It feels too weird. ) |
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Post by quinn on Jan 10, 2016 9:21:14 GMT -5
Yes it is - that's kinda the point. (Ok, I'm done standing up for one of E's theories. It feels too weird. ) All in good fun. We're all mystical alchemists. We do it everyday. Ok, that took an interesting turn. Can you say more about that? Cause (assuming I understand what you mean) sometimes we make some bizarre concoctions. The point about split-mind is to gain a clearer focus. |
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Post by Theodore on Jan 10, 2016 9:30:16 GMT -5
All in good fun. We're all mystical alchemists. We do it everyday. Ok, that took an interesting turn. Can you say more about that? Cause (assuming I understand what you mean) sometimes we make some bizarre concoctions. The point about split-mind is to gain a clearer focus. My experience with the term split mind up to now is not clearing at all.  Every time it's referenced I enter confusion. |
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Post by quinn on Jan 10, 2016 9:35:29 GMT -5
Ok, that took an interesting turn. Can you say more about that? Cause (assuming I understand what you mean) sometimes we make some bizarre concoctions. The point about split-mind is to gain a clearer focus. The mind can be modified by karma/conditioning, or modified by nothing at all (silence). It's not split. It's still the same mind. Ah, okay. We're actually saying the same thing, you know. The point of noticing when we're trying to act on two competing desires is to notice that the mind is, in actuality, not split. Until that's noticed, we're just in battle-mode (want/don't want) and not likely to get to modification-mode (or whatever comes next - noticing may be all that happens). |
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Post by quinn on Jan 10, 2016 9:37:27 GMT -5
Ok, that took an interesting turn. Can you say more about that? Cause (assuming I understand what you mean) sometimes we make some bizarre concoctions. The point about split-mind is to gain a clearer focus. My experience with the term split mind up to now is not clearing at all. Every time it's referenced I enter confusion. That's cause everyone's using it differently. Use my definition. Heh heh. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 9:37:42 GMT -5
All in good fun. We're all mystical alchemists. We do it everyday. Ok, that took an interesting turn. Can you say more about that? Cause (assuming I understand what you mean) sometimes we make some bizarre concoctions. The point about split-mind is to gain a clearer focus. To gain clearer focus? huh? |
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Post by quinn on Jan 10, 2016 9:41:41 GMT -5
Ok, that took an interesting turn. Can you say more about that? Cause (assuming I understand what you mean) sometimes we make some bizarre concoctions. The point about split-mind is to gain a clearer focus. To gain clearer focus? huh? Huh what? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 9:45:00 GMT -5
To gain clearer focus? huh? Huh what? What do you mean by gaining clearer focus in split mind? |
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Post by quinn on Jan 10, 2016 9:51:12 GMT -5
What do you mean by gaining clearer focus in split mind? To become clear about a potential misunderstanding. If I'm struggling to quit doing Sudoku's so much, I'm creating a battle (mind against mind). The misunderstanding is that there are two minds. The clearer focus is - there's only one mind and the battle is one of the many ways mind likes to keep busy busy busy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 9:54:35 GMT -5
What do you mean by gaining clearer focus in split mind? To become clear about a potential misunderstanding. If I'm struggling to quit doing Sudoku's so much, I'm creating a battle (mind against mind). The misunderstanding is that there are two minds. The clearer focus is - there's only one mind and the battle is one of the many ways mind likes to keep busy busy busy. So what do you do to terminate that? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jan 10, 2016 9:59:25 GMT -5
All in good fun. We're all mystical alchemists. We do it everyday. Cause (assuming I understand what you mean) sometimes we make some bizarre concoctions. The point about split-mind is to gain a clearer focus. The alchemists of old of the west, run a parallel course to the alchemists of Taoism. The Taoist aim was to become immortal. Now this has become somewhat confused as it doesn't mean physically immortal. The Taoist describe the formation of an embryo from the transformation of energy within the physical organism, a spiritual embryo. (And this may actually be the true meaning of the virgin birth of Jesus). And in western alchemy this is expressed as turning lead into gold, the lower nature/ego is turned into higher nature/consciousness, IOW, the outer symbol of chemical elements actually referred to psychological-spiritual processes. The Mind of the Cells is an extraordinary book. After I read The Adventure of Consciousness, Satprem's biography of Sri Aurobindo, I looked up more stuff by Satprem, and found The Mind of the Cells. It's essentially about the next stage of human evolution, a personal record. |
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Post by quinn on Jan 10, 2016 10:02:13 GMT -5
To become clear about a potential misunderstanding. If I'm struggling to quit doing Sudoku's so much, I'm creating a battle (mind against mind). The misunderstanding is that there are two minds. The clearer focus is - there's only one mind and the battle is one of the many ways mind likes to keep busy busy busy. So what do you do to terminate that? Terminate is about 'fixing'. This isn't about fixing, it's about noticing. What happens when the battle is noticed is mind quiets down a bit. From that place, it might become clear what can be done. Or at least clearer. Maybe nothing needs to be done - Sudoku is fun. Or maybe you realize you need some help. Or a walking buddy. I dunno. |
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