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Desire
May 15, 2014 19:08:42 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 19:08:42 GMT -5
1. Lack2. Can't want what you don't think you have 3. (** skijump! **) 4. (** muttley snicker **)5. (** muttley snicker **)?The first reply was the best , desire arises from the sense/feeling of Lack , the belief in a individual separate person is the cause , there are no individual's but there is individuality... It does not seem that desires arise out of an individuated perspective at all over here, if anything the appearance of an individuated separate person seems to arise out of desires. |
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May 15, 2014 19:17:11 GMT -5
Post by silver on May 15, 2014 19:17:11 GMT -5
Could it be that you're desire-phobic?
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May 15, 2014 19:17:18 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 15, 2014 19:17:18 GMT -5
The first reply was the best , desire arises from the sense/feeling of Lack , the belief in a individual separate person is the cause , there are no individual's but there is individuality... It does not seem that desires arise out of an individuated perspective at all over here, if anything the appearance of an individuated separate person seems to arise out of desires. He's saying lack arises from a belief in the separate person. He's further saying that lack results in desire. |
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May 15, 2014 19:19:44 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 15, 2014 19:19:44 GMT -5
Could it be that you're desire-phobic? You mean that he desires not to desire?  Doesn't seem so. Seems like he's just trying to understand from whence it cometh. |
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May 15, 2014 19:21:55 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 19:21:55 GMT -5
It does not seem that desires arise out of an individuated perspective at all over here, if anything the appearance of an individuated separate person seems to arise out of desires. He's saying lack arises from a belief in the separate person. He's further saying that lack results in desire. Yeah, I get that, but I'm saying that from over here, it seems like desire is the initial movement, not a resulting movement. I'm actually mot even sure that desire is DIRECTLY related to perception of lack at all....perception of lack seems to appear 'afterward'. |
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May 15, 2014 19:26:12 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 19:26:12 GMT -5
Could it be that you're desire-phobic? If you're talking to me, not at all, just an interesting topic. Desire, to me, seems like a fundamental force of nature, haha, might as well be phobic of the sun or tides. |
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May 15, 2014 19:28:51 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 15, 2014 19:28:51 GMT -5
He's saying lack arises from a belief in the separate person. He's further saying that lack results in desire. I'm actually mot even sure that desire is DIRECTLY related to perception of lack at all....perception of lack seems to appear 'afterward'. I get that, I'm just saying it has nothing to do with the post you bolded and responded to. |
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May 15, 2014 19:32:27 GMT -5
Post by silver on May 15, 2014 19:32:27 GMT -5
Could it be that you're desire-phobic? If you're talking to me, not at all, just an interesting topic. Desire, to me, seems like a fundamental force of nature, haha, might as well be phobic of the sun or tides. It just seems some take an odd approach to it...but I agree with '...might as well be phobic of the sun or tides.'  |
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May 15, 2014 20:02:36 GMT -5
Post by laughter on May 15, 2014 20:02:36 GMT -5
The first reply was the best , desire arises from the sense/feeling of Lack , the belief in a individual separate person is the cause , there are no individual's but there is individuality... Most often that seems to be the case, though not always. If you're sitting in your house at dusk and you see a bright red-orange light at the window which you take to be either a UFO invasion or a rather spectacular sunset. Do you get up to look? Whether it's a curiosity about the invasion or an interest in experiencing the sunset, would you really call it based on a sense of lack? In the most general sense yes: it's that curious Georgie wants to know. Curiosity can get pretty intense without it being painful or melodramatic or angst-ridden or .. well, whatever -- that's a point that came up in figgles last gallery show (and that recurs with her btw). It's the lack of an answer. PS: I'll go out on a limb and offer the distinction between curiosity-as-desire as being related to a question that Georgie will take as a clue to his identity ... that would help him answer "what am I?", as opposed to curiosity for it's own sake. |
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May 15, 2014 20:19:44 GMT -5
Post by silver on May 15, 2014 20:19:44 GMT -5
It does not seem that desires arise out of an individuated perspective at all over here, if anything the appearance of an individuated separate person seems to arise out of desires. He's saying lack arises from a belief in the separate person. He's further saying that lack results in desire. 'Lack' or desire is imagined because __________. |
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May 15, 2014 20:51:52 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 15, 2014 20:51:52 GMT -5
If you're talking to me, not at all, just an interesting topic. Desire, to me, seems like a fundamental force of nature, haha, might as well be phobic of the sun or tides. It just seems some take an odd approach to it...but I agree with '...might as well be phobic of the sun or tides.' The sunset pic was nice until I spotted the trout in the clouds. Now I can't see anything but.  |
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May 15, 2014 21:11:21 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 15, 2014 21:11:21 GMT -5
Most often that seems to be the case, though not always. If you're sitting in your house at dusk and you see a bright red-orange light at the window which you take to be either a UFO invasion or a rather spectacular sunset. Do you get up to look? Whether it's a curiosity about the invasion or an interest in experiencing the sunset, would you really call it based on a sense of lack? In the most general sense yes: it's that curious Georgie wants to know. Curiosity can get pretty intense without it being painful or melodramatic or angst-ridden or .. well, whatever -- that's a point that came up in figgles last gallery show (and that recurs with her btw). It's the lack of an answer. PS: I'll go out on a limb and offer the distinction between curiosity-as-desire as being related to a question that Georgie will take as a clue to his identity ... that would help him answer "what am I?", as opposed to curiosity for it's own sake. Yes, well Figgles is right in that not all desire leads to suffering, and I don't think it's fair to characterize inclinations and passing interest (way low level desires) as lack based, though curiously it sounds like something Andy would do. It's off topic, but this is why I talk about the point of suffering as a focus of attention rather than desire or feeling in general. As one becomes more at peace, it's that point that changes rather than the feeling content as such. |
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May 15, 2014 21:14:20 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 15, 2014 21:14:20 GMT -5
He's saying lack arises from a belief in the separate person. He's further saying that lack results in desire. 'Lack' or desire is imagined because __________. Because what? |
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May 15, 2014 21:46:51 GMT -5
Post by silver on May 15, 2014 21:46:51 GMT -5
Could it be that you're desire-phobic? You mean that he desires not to desire? Doesn't seem so. Seems like he's just trying to understand from whence it cometh. that's why I said they're ________. they come from nowhere and they go nowhere.  |
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May 15, 2014 21:48:20 GMT -5
Post by silver on May 15, 2014 21:48:20 GMT -5
It just seems some take an odd approach to it...but I agree with '...might as well be phobic of the sun or tides.' The sunset pic was nice until I spotted the trout in the clouds. Now I can't see anything but. Ha ha ha ha ha, ya mean the one peeking from underneath the clouds? |
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