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May 12, 2014 16:13:18 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 16:13:18 GMT -5
Wait...is what we 'truly are' freedom, or knowing? :-) Also, I don 't get you connection between Desire not being a part of what 'we truly are', and what we truly are being freedom or knowing or both, and: " That's why we know it as apart from everything and also know it as one with everything." lol...seems like a pretty shoddy ill-defined theorem to me...kinda wishy washy, a little insane. A quick question: What the taste of a pickle while on the moon without a tongue? Your first response is likely the best theory of everything ;-) What is duality? I'm breathing well, in full enjoyment. |
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May 12, 2014 21:22:20 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 21:22:20 GMT -5
I'm breathing well, in full enjoyment. You are close. |
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May 13, 2014 20:07:49 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 13, 2014 20:07:49 GMT -5
What we truly are doesn't desire anything. I won't prematurely disagree, as I haven't found out who I "truly"am. But if what I am in reality is without desire, why then do desires arise at all? If my true state is desireless, then my state of desiring must perforce be false. How does a false state arise from a true one? You can't gather figs from thistles. But you can gather twigs from a fig tree, which seems like the analogy that fits your argument. I don't know what a true or false state is, so I couldn't say if a false state could arise from a true one. However, I don't see any reason why a desire state couldn't arise from a desireless one. However, I tend to agree that whatever arises is likely in the nature from which it arises to begin with. Since what we truly are is the only thing going on here, what we truly are clearly desires. It's also capable of self delusion, hate and cruelty, so it's not a popular way to talk about God.  Of course, what Rupa means is that without the delusional overlay, what we truly are doesn't desire, but then again it doesn't do anything. |
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May 13, 2014 20:09:56 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 13, 2014 20:09:56 GMT -5
Is what you 'truly are' apart from everything else, or one with every aspect of it. There is only what we truly are. It's freedom. That's why we know it as apart from everything and also know it as one with everything. There is only "knowing". ....What? |
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May 13, 2014 20:12:43 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 20:12:43 GMT -5
There is only what we truly are. It's freedom. That's why we know it as apart from everything and also know it as one with everything. There is only "knowing". ....What? Sorry? |
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May 13, 2014 20:22:23 GMT -5
Post by enigma on May 13, 2014 20:22:23 GMT -5
I won't prematurely disagree, as I haven't found out who I "truly"am. But if what I am in reality is without desire, why then do desires arise at all? If my true state is desireless, then my state of desiring must perforce be false. How does a false state arise from a true one? You can't gather figs from thistles. Essentially, one aligns with the 'universe' rather than asking the 'universe' to align with your personal desires. One steps into the flow of what already is and what is becoming. It's this misalignment that creates suffering and longing. |
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May 13, 2014 20:27:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 20:27:49 GMT -5
Desire seems to be there, hovering around the root of what it means to be us in this One. 1. What is Desire? 2. What is the relationship of desire with mind? 3. Where does desire originate? 4. What is the effect of desire? 5. What is the effect of desire-less-ness? I'm interested in every one's perspective on these questions? 1. Desire is a feeling ego has when it realizes its self as incomplete. 2. Ignition. 3. Within the mind. 4, Momentary joy giving way to incompleteness. 5. Happiness.  |
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May 14, 2014 2:16:37 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 2:16:37 GMT -5
There is only what we truly are. It's freedom. That's why we know it as apart from everything and also know it as one with everything. There is only "knowing". ....What? Go easy on him, he's got Stevie grooming him. |
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Post by Reefs on May 14, 2014 2:39:33 GMT -5
Desire seems to be there, hovering around the root of what it means to be us in this One. 1. What is Desire? 2. What is the relationship of desire with mind? 3. Where does desire originate? 4. What is the effect of desire? 5. What is the effect of desire-less-ness? I'm interested in every one's perspective on these questions? 1. essential 2. unnecessary 3. irrelevant 4. more 5. less |
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May 14, 2014 10:45:19 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 10:45:19 GMT -5
Go easy on him, he's got Stevie grooming him. But who is grooming Stevie? |
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May 14, 2014 11:47:54 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 11:47:54 GMT -5
Go easy on him, he's got Stevie grooming him. Haha....don't blame me, his hair naturally parts that way |
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May 14, 2014 15:49:38 GMT -5
Post by Ishtahota on May 14, 2014 15:49:38 GMT -5
Desire is only a poor reflection of what you really want. It is something given to you buy your own ego to keep you asleep, so that it can remain in control of your life.
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May 14, 2014 16:13:35 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 16:13:35 GMT -5
Desire is only a poor reflection of what you really want. It is something given to you buy your own ego to keep you asleep, so that it can remain in control of your life. Hmmm....I hear a lot of talk in spiritual circles about false this, false that, enemy ego this and that, subconscious tormentors seeking to control, manipulate, or somehow obscure 'reality'. Seem like folks really want a boogie man to fight against  Istahota, do you believe in God by whatever name? Seems to me like desire is an EQUAL part of creation as anything else, haha, maybe you have a kind of racism against that aspect of creation lol Desire is just another aspect of the fabric of our experience, not a boogie man trying to control us. Having said that, Desire is a kind of force of nature, an elemental force, like a wind...that wind fills our sales if we attach to a desire, and moves us along, or we can observe the wind simply passing by so to speak...In spiritual circles, its said sometimes that attachment and desire are the source of all suffering, and this is fairly accurate, but suffering is not necessarily bad nor good, it just is...and, while attachment and desire is the source of all suffering, its also the source of all happiness and joy... Desire, Ego, Attachment, these are not enemies with an agenda to hurt us, they are simply forces if nature. |
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May 14, 2014 16:18:26 GMT -5
Post by silver on May 14, 2014 16:18:26 GMT -5
Desire is only a poor reflection of what you really want. It is something given to you buy your own ego to keep you asleep, so that it can remain in control of your life. Hmmm....I here a lot of talk in spiritual circles about false this, false that, enemy ego this and that, imagined tormentors seeking to control, manipulate, or somehow obscure 'reality'. Seem like folks really want a boogie man to fight against So, are you like disagreeing with Ishy? I don't get what you're saying. |
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May 14, 2014 16:22:57 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 16:22:57 GMT -5
Hmmm....I here a lot of talk in spiritual circles about false this, false that, enemy ego this and that, imagined tormentors seeking to control, manipulate, or somehow obscure 'reality'. Seem like folks really want a boogie man to fight against So, are you like disagreeing with Ishy? I don't get what you're saying. Re-read post ;-) |
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