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Post by Portto on Apr 16, 2012 13:58:26 GMT -5
You must go to law school! They need someone like you! Thing is P is that on the one hand we are talking about candida (which actually I appreciated) and on the other hand you are saying there is no such thing as mind. If you are simply trying to tell me there are no separately existing things...well, fine and thanks, but I already understand that. If you are telling me that there is only 'Being', then really you shouldnt be talking to me about candida! We all have a reference for/sense of there being some kind of a difference between body and mind (otherwise we wouldnt distinguish) though some MAY understand them to be separate. As far as Im concerned, if we are going to deny the existence of mind, we might as well deny the existence of the body, which we could do, but it just seems like hard work right now. I would rather talk about candida hehe. You somehow detected a paradox, which is fine. What I'm surprised is that you're now uncomfortable with paradox. |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 16, 2012 14:03:48 GMT -5
Still awake. (Boom Boom Cccchhhhing) It's hard not to look for a high when you feel low. I know it's resisting what is. I do get the futility of it, however the illusion persists. Our bodyminds are programmed to respond to negative emotion just as they are programmed to respond to pain. Whenever there is a sense of 'restriction' or 'contraction' in our energy, the bodymind will respond to that. Even if we just observe or allow the emotion, or notice something about it, its still responding to the sense of restriction/contraction. We dont get beyond the positive/negative duality, we dont get beyond responding to 'restrictions' in our energy, we just turn down the volume on the duality, more and more we lose the sense of calamity that comes with the negative and the sense of relief that comes with shifting back towards the positive. It all just becomes more.... neutral, less.....dramatic. There is still a seeking of sorts because when the bodymind experiences negativity it is designed to seek out positivity, but there is little grandiosity to it, the seeking happens spontaneously, and there is little need to play out the drama triangle roles (the victim, rescuer, protagonist) that often accompany the duality. Im saying this really because I think that seekers sometimes have a slightly skewed expectation of what they are meant to be achieving. And my guess is that none of what I said helps, because its still setting up a 'what you should be aiming towards'. Maybe this will help more....in my opinion, you will be done with this particular game within a year. Is that too long? I agree with this, but I doubt that the sponge will be done in one year. The end of seeking does not end that quickly for most people. I would rather ask the sponge, "Are you so committed to finding the truth that you're willing to spend the rest of your life and ten lifetimes beyond?" That's the kind of persistence I'm talking about. Yes, it is normal and natural for a person to check on the state of their spiritual progress. "Are things getting better, yet?" "Am I noticeably happier as a result of what I'm doing?" "Have I learned what I wanted to know?" Etc. Every time we check on how we're doing, we reinforce the idea that we are separate entities making progress toward some imaginary goal. This idea is part of the overall illusion of personal selfhood. It is a misconception, but it is the misconception that everyone falls prey to. In order for the thought structure supporting a sense of selfhood to collapse, a person must stop reinforcing the thought structure by leaving self-centered thoughts behind and focusing attention upon what is happening in the present moment. Keeping attention focused upon what is here and now gradually changes how a person interacts with the world. One becomes present rather than remaining lost in an imaginary past or an imaginary future (or an imaginary present). This is no game for the faint of heart; it is a warrior's game, and it requires a warrior's mindset. What do you want? Do you want to wake up? If so, it will take ferocious dedication and unwavering attentiveness. You must draw your sword (metaphorically) and plunge into the unknown with no hope of survival. There is only one direction. Forward! ;D |
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Post by andrew on Apr 16, 2012 14:24:42 GMT -5
Thing is P is that on the one hand we are talking about candida (which actually I appreciated) and on the other hand you are saying there is no such thing as mind. If you are simply trying to tell me there are no separately existing things...well, fine and thanks, but I already understand that. If you are telling me that there is only 'Being', then really you shouldnt be talking to me about candida! We all have a reference for/sense of there being some kind of a difference between body and mind (otherwise we wouldnt distinguish) though some MAY understand them to be separate. As far as Im concerned, if we are going to deny the existence of mind, we might as well deny the existence of the body, which we could do, but it just seems like hard work right now. I would rather talk about candida hehe. You somehow detected a paradox, which is fine. What I'm surprised is that you're now uncomfortable with paradox. Discomfort isnt quite the right word, I just didnt feel that where you were taking us was 'practical'. A question you could ask yourself is....why do you feel the need to focus on something that doesnt exist? |
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Post by question on Apr 16, 2012 14:28:38 GMT -5
I have to pretend. What else can I do with measily 73 IQ points? But fortunately I have one thing that's really big. You wanna know what it is? I wish you were smarter and didn't repeat jokes. ;D But there's time. It's not a joke. My intelligence is too low to not be whined about, and my... well, you know what  , is too big to not be bragged about. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 16, 2012 14:30:17 GMT -5
Our bodyminds are programmed to respond to negative emotion just as they are programmed to respond to pain. Whenever there is a sense of 'restriction' or 'contraction' in our energy, the bodymind will respond to that. Even if we just observe or allow the emotion, or notice something about it, its still responding to the sense of restriction/contraction. We dont get beyond the positive/negative duality, we dont get beyond responding to 'restrictions' in our energy, we just turn down the volume on the duality, more and more we lose the sense of calamity that comes with the negative and the sense of relief that comes with shifting back towards the positive. It all just becomes more.... neutral, less.....dramatic. There is still a seeking of sorts because when the bodymind experiences negativity it is designed to seek out positivity, but there is little grandiosity to it, the seeking happens spontaneously, and there is little need to play out the drama triangle roles (the victim, rescuer, protagonist) that often accompany the duality. Im saying this really because I think that seekers sometimes have a slightly skewed expectation of what they are meant to be achieving. And my guess is that none of what I said helps, because its still setting up a 'what you should be aiming towards'. Maybe this will help more....in my opinion, you will be done with this particular game within a year. Is that too long? I agree with this, but I doubt that the sponge will be done in one year. The end of seeking does not end that quickly for most people. I would rather ask the sponge, "Are you so committed to finding the truth that you're willing to spend the rest of your life and ten lifetimes beyond?" That's the kind of persistence I'm talking about. Yes, it is normal and natural for a person to check on the state of their spiritual progress. "Are things getting better, yet?" "Am I noticeably happier as a result of what I'm doing?" "Have I learned what I wanted to know?" Etc. Every time we check on how we're doing, we reinforce the idea that we are separate entities making progress toward some imaginary goal. This idea is part of the overall illusion of personal selfhood. It is a misconception, but it is the misconception that everyone falls prey to. In order for the thought structure supporting a sense of selfhood to collapse, a person must stop reinforcing the thought structure by leaving self-centered thoughts behind and focusing attention upon what is happening in the present moment. Keeping attention focused upon what is here and now gradually changes how a person interacts with the world. One becomes present rather than remaining lost in an imaginary past or an imaginary future (or an imaginary present). This is no game for the faint of heart; it is a warrior's game, and it requires a warrior's mindset. What do you want? Do you want to wake up? If so, it will take ferocious dedication and unwavering attentiveness. You must draw your sword (metaphorically) and plunge into the unknown with no hope of survival. There is only one direction. Forward! ;D Again, I understand, and pretty much agree. I guess from my perspective (and I might be wrong), but I feel that the process of waking up is accelerating, and changing, as more and more people awaken. |
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Post by question on Apr 16, 2012 14:33:12 GMT -5
Our bodyminds are programmed to respond to negative emotion just as they are programmed to respond to pain. Whenever there is a sense of 'restriction' or 'contraction' in our energy, the bodymind will respond to that. Even if we just observe or allow the emotion, or notice something about it, its still responding to the sense of restriction/contraction. We dont get beyond the positive/negative duality, we dont get beyond responding to 'restrictions' in our energy, we just turn down the volume on the duality, more and more we lose the sense of calamity that comes with the negative and the sense of relief that comes with shifting back towards the positive. It all just becomes more.... neutral, less.....dramatic. There is still a seeking of sorts because when the bodymind experiences negativity it is designed to seek out positivity, but there is little grandiosity to it, the seeking happens spontaneously, and there is little need to play out the drama triangle roles (the victim, rescuer, protagonist) that often accompany the duality. Im saying this really because I think that seekers sometimes have a slightly skewed expectation of what they are meant to be achieving. And my guess is that none of what I said helps, because its still setting up a 'what you should be aiming towards'. Maybe this will help more....in my opinion, you will be done with this particular game within a year. Is that too long? I agree with this, but I doubt that the sponge will be done in one year. The end of seeking does not end that quickly for most people. I would rather ask the sponge, "Are you so committed to finding the truth that you're willing to spend the rest of your life and ten lifetimes beyond?" That's the kind of persistence I'm talking about. Yes, it is normal and natural for a person to check on the state of their spiritual progress. "Are things getting better, yet?" "Am I noticeably happier as a result of what I'm doing?" "Have I learned what I wanted to know?" Etc. Every time we check on how we're doing, we reinforce the idea that we are separate entities making progress toward some imaginary goal. This idea is part of the overall illusion of personal selfhood. It is a misconception, but it is the misconception that everyone falls prey to. In order for the thought structure supporting a sense of selfhood to collapse, a person must stop reinforcing the thought structure by leaving self-centered thoughts behind and focusing attention upon what is happening in the present moment. Keeping attention focused upon what is here and now gradually changes how a person interacts with the world. One becomes present rather than remaining lost in an imaginary past or an imaginary future (or an imaginary present). This is no game for the faint of heart; it is a warrior's game, and it requires a warrior's mindset. What do you want? Do you want to wake up? If so, it will take ferocious dedication and unwavering attentiveness. You must draw your sword (metaphorically) and plunge into the unknown with no hope of survival. There is only one direction. Forward! ;D Your post was probably intended to be pep talk, but it's actually very demotivational. You know as well as I do that it either takes someone extremely brave, curious or delusional to commit a lifetime and ten more for the truth. Maybe one of a hundred thousand will commit oneself to such a task, for most people it is completely beyond reach. Or maybe one needs to have an extraordinary experience that devalues 'normal' experience to such degree that it appears insignificant enough for such heroic persistence to take place. Most people (myself included) are faint of heart and no warriors, weak, scared, fighting for survival, trying to manage their short life without screwing up too badly. If what you're saying is true then enlightenment is possible only for the special or lucky ones. So, what is it gonna be? Is enlightenment possible for simple folks or not? |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 16, 2012 15:17:05 GMT -5
I agree with this, but I doubt that the sponge will be done in one year. The end of seeking does not end that quickly for most people. I would rather ask the sponge, "Are you so committed to finding the truth that you're willing to spend the rest of your life and ten lifetimes beyond?" That's the kind of persistence I'm talking about. Yes, it is normal and natural for a person to check on the state of their spiritual progress. "Are things getting better, yet?" "Am I noticeably happier as a result of what I'm doing?" "Have I learned what I wanted to know?" Etc. Every time we check on how we're doing, we reinforce the idea that we are separate entities making progress toward some imaginary goal. This idea is part of the overall illusion of personal selfhood. It is a misconception, but it is the misconception that everyone falls prey to. In order for the thought structure supporting a sense of selfhood to collapse, a person must stop reinforcing the thought structure by leaving self-centered thoughts behind and focusing attention upon what is happening in the present moment. Keeping attention focused upon what is here and now gradually changes how a person interacts with the world. One becomes present rather than remaining lost in an imaginary past or an imaginary future (or an imaginary present). This is no game for the faint of heart; it is a warrior's game, and it requires a warrior's mindset. What do you want? Do you want to wake up? If so, it will take ferocious dedication and unwavering attentiveness. You must draw your sword (metaphorically) and plunge into the unknown with no hope of survival. There is only one direction. Forward! ;D Again, I understand, and pretty much agree. I guess from my perspective (and I might be wrong), but I feel that the process of waking up is accelerating, and changing, as more and more people awaken. Collectively I'm sure you're right, but individually it can still take many years, even for a dedicated seeker. It seems preferable to take away the idea/hope of a quick awakening and suggest settling in for the long haul. If illusions collapse more quickly, so much the better. One year is such a short period of time that I can see someone counting down the days in eager anticipation. LOL. "Hot dog! Only 364 days to go!" ;D |
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Post by relinquish on Apr 16, 2012 15:23:34 GMT -5
Question, this post is focused on something you said in your last post about 'normal' experience and insignificance. This was a point I was trying to make earlier in the year but I kinda got de-railed somehow.
Almost everyone in world has a very deeply rooted opinion in their mind that the vast majority things in their field of vision and all around them at any given time are simply 'normal', 'insignificant', 'ordinary' or 'mundane'. They have this opinion because their minds have 'gotten used too' all this stuff around around them. In fact, there is no such thing as mundanity 'out there' in reality.
For that reason I call this 'the illusion of mundanity', and I think when we become aware of the fact that our minds do this and that it is the reason why most people find most things in the world so 'boring', we can then look beyond this illusion and see the way things really are, even if we can no longer describe them in the way we thought we could before.
But if there isn't anything normal, insignificant, ordinary, mundane or boring, what do we see everyday life in the world and the universe as?
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Post by silence on Apr 16, 2012 15:27:40 GMT -5
Which is why I'm very hesitant to jump in and support discussions about 'just attend what is' or 'all you have to do is drop all of your thoughts and beliefs' or 'anyone can do it' etc. etc. We're all addicts. Total junkies for feeling good. When the typical societal way of finding permanent happiness, power, pleasure fails we turn to spirituality. We must face what we're really trying to do. We're looking for that ultimate pleasure but we can't ever keep it as long as we'd like. The total and utter futility of it all must be met head on. There has to be a willingness to want to simply stop rather than search out the next high. The next spiritual video, the next lovely meditation session, the next flow experience. You don't stop because you know how. You stop because you see that you're totally and completely stuck. Totally out of moves. That conviction can only come from within. Even the fanciest words coming off adyashanti's mouth aren't going to help. Still awake. (Boom Boom Cccchhhhing) It's hard not to look for a high when you feel low. I know it's resisting what is. I do get the futility of it, however the illusion persists. Right. I'm not trying to devalue anything or persuade you onto any other path. I'm merely pointing out that it's the very same struggle any other addict goes through. And the bigger the highs you can find, the more pronounced the up's and downs become. We make it into some extraordinary thing and mystify it into the spiritual realm to feel superior. The brunt of the suffering is often around comparing ourselves to others. In this case spiritual teachers and our accumulated knowledge about things like enlightenment. It's all self inflicted and it must be seen to be so. The labels we give various sensations and the ideals we hold to be "it". |
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Post by question on Apr 16, 2012 15:38:43 GMT -5
Question, this post is focused on something you said in your last post about 'normal' experience and insignificance. This was a point I was trying to make earlier in the year but I kinda got de-railed somehow. Almost everyone in world has a very deeply rooted opinion in their mind that the vast majority things in their field of vision and all around them at any given time are simply 'normal', 'insignificant', 'ordinary' or 'mundane'. They have this opinion because their minds have 'gotten used too' all this stuff around around them. In fact, there is no such thing as mundanity 'out there' in reality. For that reason I call this 'the illusion of mundanity', and I think when we become aware of the fact that our minds do this and that it is the reason why most people find most things in the world so 'boring', we can then look beyond this illusion and see the way things really are, even if we can no longer describe them in the way we thought we could before. But if there isn't anything normal, insignificant, ordinary, mundane or boring, what do we see everyday life in the world and the universe as? If there is no normal and insignificant, then neither is there magical and extraordinary. The point I made was different. My point was that the heroic effort recommended by ZD is only possible when people view their normal life as insignificant, which happens in relation to something extremely significant, which probably is again dependent on either a deep delusion or an experience so extraordinary that it makes an entire life!!! (and even lifetimes) a price not too big to pay in order to again come back to that extraordinary experience. |
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Post by zendancer on Apr 16, 2012 16:04:09 GMT -5
I agree with this, but I doubt that the sponge will be done in one year. The end of seeking does not end that quickly for most people. I would rather ask the sponge, "Are you so committed to finding the truth that you're willing to spend the rest of your life and ten lifetimes beyond?" That's the kind of persistence I'm talking about. Yes, it is normal and natural for a person to check on the state of their spiritual progress. "Are things getting better, yet?" "Am I noticeably happier as a result of what I'm doing?" "Have I learned what I wanted to know?" Etc. Every time we check on how we're doing, we reinforce the idea that we are separate entities making progress toward some imaginary goal. This idea is part of the overall illusion of personal selfhood. It is a misconception, but it is the misconception that everyone falls prey to. In order for the thought structure supporting a sense of selfhood to collapse, a person must stop reinforcing the thought structure by leaving self-centered thoughts behind and focusing attention upon what is happening in the present moment. Keeping attention focused upon what is here and now gradually changes how a person interacts with the world. One becomes present rather than remaining lost in an imaginary past or an imaginary future (or an imaginary present). This is no game for the faint of heart; it is a warrior's game, and it requires a warrior's mindset. What do you want? Do you want to wake up? If so, it will take ferocious dedication and unwavering attentiveness. You must draw your sword (metaphorically) and plunge into the unknown with no hope of survival. There is only one direction. Forward! ;D Your post was probably intended to be pep talk, but it's actually very demotivational. You know as well as I do that it either takes someone extremely brave, curious or delusional to commit a lifetime and ten more for the truth. Maybe one of a hundred thousand will commit oneself to such a task, for most people it is completely beyond reach. Or maybe one needs to have an extraordinary experience that devalues 'normal' experience to such degree that it appears insignificant enough for such heroic persistence to take place. Most people (myself included) are faint of heart and no warriors, weak, scared, fighting for survival, trying to manage their short life without screwing up too badly. If what you're saying is true then enlightenment is possible only for the special or lucky ones. So, what is it gonna be? Is enlightenment possible for simple folks or not? You may be right. What I wrote as a pep talk could be demotivational for some folks. You're also right that whether someone wakes up is the luck of the draw because volition is another illusion. But its not quite that simple, and I think you recognize that. The truth is neither volitional nor non-volitional. That's the whole point of the koan about the guy who sits in samadhi for a trillion years and never wakes up. I look at the situation sort of probabalisticially. Most people on this forum are pretty sincere even if they experience lots of ups and downs, and sincerity counts for a great deal. Those who are mildly curious are very unlikely to awaken. It takes a certain amount of seriousness of intent to have a chance. I also agree that big woo woo experiences can be extremely motivational even if they, too, are a pitfall of another kind. What generally happens is what Andrew alluded to; people want quick gratification and they shrink from what they perceive as negative results. The mind will employ all kinds of strategies for getting what it thinks it wants, but if one persists, one finally runs into a wall of imprenetrable steel. The mind recoils and thinks, "Gee whiz, I've tried everything without success. How can I get what I want?" I've gone in every direction and tried every technique and yet I'm not awake. What's going on with that?" This very question graphically illustrates that the idea of personal selfhood is alive and well, and that the imaginary person is highly frustrated in its desire to get what it wants. When I reached that point, however, I still did not stop. I looked at everything that had happened over the previous fifteen years, and concluded that there was nothing I could do other than what I was already doing--keeping attention focused as much as possible on what I could see and hear, and staying attentive during all of my daily activities. Over the previous years of seeking the body/mind had gradually changed from being primarily reflective to being primarily action-oriented. I had stopped almost all fantasizing and second-guessing and had eliminated tons of useless mental ruminating. I had become a "do it" kind of guy. Along the way I had had various experiences of unity-consciousness, but I always came back to a "me in here" looking at "a world out there." My final koan was, "How can I stay in a unity-conscious state of mind all the time?" This very question shows that there was still a "me" wanting to reside in a permanent state of oneness. Of course, I did not realize what the question implied at the time. Like the fool who persists in his folly, I just kept looking at the world without knowing. I kept doing this because there was nothing else that offered any hope at all. Almost every time I went for a hike or drove somewhere, I shifted attention away from thoughts to what I could see or hear. I did this day after day for years. Finally, on a particular day, the structure of thoughts supporting a sense of selfhood collapsed, and my spiritual search came to an end. I saw with extreme clarity that who I had thought I was had never existed and that I was "what is." Bingo! For other people it may happen differently. Gangagi met Papaji, and he told her to stop the search. Somehow she heard that admonition and stopped. Some people get struck "out of the blue." That's pretty rare, but it happens occasionally. Most people have to exhaust every strategy imaginable in order to reach the sense of futility that Silence mentioned, and that futility is often the springboard into the unknown. The search is frustrating because there is no guarantee that one will ever see through the illusion of selfhood, but that's just the nature of who/what we are. We're a blooming mystery, but if we don't look for the truth, then we're very unlikely to find it. There's no point in giving you a pep talk; I'm just telling you that this is the way it is. You're smart, so you have better odds than those who aren't so smart. 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Post by relinquish on Apr 16, 2012 16:34:40 GMT -5
Question, this post is focused on something you said in your last post about 'normal' experience and insignificance. This was a point I was trying to make earlier in the year but I kinda got de-railed somehow. Almost everyone in world has a very deeply rooted opinion in their mind that the vast majority things in their field of vision and all around them at any given time are simply 'normal', 'insignificant', 'ordinary' or 'mundane'. They have this opinion because their minds have 'gotten used too' all this stuff around around them. In fact, there is no such thing as mundanity 'out there' in reality. For that reason I call this 'the illusion of mundanity', and I think when we become aware of the fact that our minds do this and that it is the reason why most people find most things in the world so 'boring', we can then look beyond this illusion and see the way things really are, even if we can no longer describe them in the way we thought we could before. But if there isn't anything normal, insignificant, ordinary, mundane or boring, what do we see everyday life in the world and the universe as? If there is no normal and insignificant, then neither is there magical and extraordinary. The point I made was different. My point was that the heroic effort recommended by ZD is only possible when people view their normal life as insignificant, which happens in relation to something extremely significant, which probably is again dependent on either a deep delusion or an experience so extraordinary that it makes an entire life!!! (and even lifetimes) a price not too big to pay in order to again come back to that extraordinary experience. Of course there is nothing magical or extraordinary. That's exactly what I'm getting at, and you may notice that I didn't say there was such things. My main point is that when the illusion of mundanity (which can be quite unpleasant at times) is seen through, perhaps after many many years of really believing that most things actually ARE mundane, that sense of unpleasantness may just fall away entirely. I'm not going to say that what remains can be described as 'pleasant' as such, but it's certainly not unpleasant. In fact it can't be described at all. You have to look where I am pointing to 'know' what I'm saying. As for what you are saying to ZD, I actually agree in this instance, with everything other than you describing what he said as 'demotivational'. |
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Post by klaus on Apr 16, 2012 18:41:34 GMT -5
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Post by enigma on Apr 16, 2012 18:47:30 GMT -5
Noticing that nothing works, is what works. Which is why I'm very hesitant to jump in and support discussions about 'just attend what is' or 'all you have to do is drop all of your thoughts and beliefs' or 'anyone can do it' etc. etc. We're all addicts. Total junkies for feeling good. When the typical societal way of finding permanent happiness, power, pleasure fails we turn to spirituality. We must face what we're really trying to do. We're looking for that ultimate pleasure but we can't ever keep it as long as we'd like. The total and utter futility of it all must be met head on. There has to be a willingness to want to simply stop rather than search out the next high. The next spiritual video, the next lovely meditation session, the next flow experience. You don't stop because you know how. You stop because you see that you're totally and completely stuck. Totally out of moves. That conviction can only come from within. Even the fanciest words coming off adyashanti's mouth aren't going to help. Zaklee. That willingness to stop can potentially come about through clarity, or through total exhaustion, more likely a combination of both. That's why I follow peeps down the wabbit hole. |
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Post by jasonl on Apr 16, 2012 19:48:14 GMT -5
Noticing that nothing works, is what works. Which is why I'm very hesitant to jump in and support discussions about 'just attend what is' or 'all you have to do is drop all of your thoughts and beliefs' or 'anyone can do it' etc. etc. We're all addicts. Total junkies for feeling good. When the typical societal way of finding permanent happiness, power, pleasure fails we turn to spirituality. We must face what we're really trying to do. We're looking for that ultimate pleasure but we can't ever keep it as long as we'd like. The total and utter futility of it all must be met head on. There has to be a willingness to want to simply stop rather than search out the next high. The next spiritual video, the next lovely meditation session, the next flow experience. You don't stop because you know how. You stop because you see that you're totally and completely stuck. Totally out of moves. That conviction can only come from within. Even the fanciest words coming off adyashanti's mouth aren't going to help. I laminate with this. Allow me to pile on my thought forms and manifest some flowage  . Mechanically speaking, I don't see much difference between a mind seeking happiness and one seeking truth: find something that's not already here to be something you cant possibly be. In many ways, I think delusions are more pronounced in the seeking happiness game as opposed to the becoming consciousness or awareness thing. That's a dried up delusion with little weight that never gets anyone very far. Sure some juicy bliss experiences and things of the like may come and go. In many ways, these experiences only further cement the delulsional foundation upon which they were built, which likewise disintegrates the movement toward transcendence in lieu of a somnambulistic deluded mind state where all is good and well and everyone is one even though deep down on an unconscious level mind knows damn well that it isnt. S.hit doesnt impress me in the least which isnt to say i dont understand the appeal. But that sort of spiritual happiness is typically coupled with a real life desire to manifest an imaginary reality in an imaginary way. At its core, creative imagination isnt implicitly delusional. Minds are geared up to think like people, which doesnt make you a person in the first place, but no reason to talk about it otherwise unless of course we're feeding the giraffes. My point was, that when you see someone who thinks they need something to be happy, not spiritual, not some oneness mind state, but like another human being, an expensive car, s;hit like this, the giraffes come out to play and the repurcussions of seeing the giraffes, the suffering, the resistance, is all the more noticeable, which makes it that much easier to understand. If we cut through all the jargon and non dual lingo, which may take lifetimes in certain cases, we are left with a mind geared up to function in a certain way. What is freedom if not the absence of the tendency to resist oneself? What good is a life without purpose? Can there be any other cause but truth? And im not just talking about non dual oneness truth, but whatevers true for you. What is it that gets you goin? Maybe its feeding the squirrels, and maybe its sharing your clarity and understanding with the world. I dont polycoat with the non doership stuff and no self mentality to the extent its fueled by self delusion and bypassing personal responsibility. We're not all gonna be authors and poets but we are all free to question ourselves to see how we are making ourselves miserable so we can figure out why. Theres a line between "acceptance" and "doing what you want" and its drawn by a delusional artist. |
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