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Post by Portto on Apr 26, 2012 6:05:40 GMT -5
Get off the fence, Andrew!
Oh, wait, you're only partially on the fence... ;D ;D
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Post by andrew on Apr 26, 2012 6:06:50 GMT -5
Get off the fence, Andrew! Oh, wait, you're only partially on the fence... ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by laughter on Apr 26, 2012 6:10:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the adult nuance Andrew, I always welcome that.  lg ... I'll take that for a resounding "YES!" to my question ... don't fret I'm likely just passin' through so you'll be left to your stated inquiry with a relatively clear backdrop.  |
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Post by flengkt on Apr 26, 2012 6:25:53 GMT -5
Mysterious fencing... ;D
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Post by zendancer on Apr 26, 2012 14:27:33 GMT -5
The post that started this thread was well written and covers quite a bit of ground. My apologies in advance if to compliment someone’s work here is considered some sort of descent into duality … but nice job. While I appreciate the context around it (it’s the best description offered by the mind), this nevertheless stands out: There is no one doing anything, and no one having any kind of experiences, because there is nothing separate from the action. Personally I don’t take it very seriously either way. I can see that it’s true, but, as you imply: Who/what we are, in essence, is a living mystery about which nothing can be said that is not inherently paradoxical or self-contradictory. … like any other truth it’s only half the story. To go further and to say that it’s just an idea, just a concept would be, in turn, just stating a concept, and as true as that concept is it’s just a link in an endlessly recursive chain ** that we might recognize as forming a guy-wire supporting the foundation of illusion. Now if someone would kindly point me to the right thread, I’ll gladly edit out this next question, which is asked in all sincerity: is that (the fallacy of the individual) a core belief among this group? Is this a sacred idea that is beyond questioning or pointing up in the conversations here? **(in stating that the statement of a concept is just a statement of a concept we state a concept … and so on)Hi Laughter: This is just an observation based on two years of reading posts on this forum, but I think most people who post here assume that personal selfhood is an illusion, and at least a handful of people have seen through the illusion directly. A few have seen through it so clearly that their past sense of selfhood is no longer operative in the usual way. Some people may have beliefs about this, but most folks who post here regularly would probably advise not having beliefs about this, or not getting attached to beliefs about this. Direct experiences, realizations, seeing through illusions of mind, and freedom from ideation are what most folks are after. This is just an opinion, and we certainly have many POV's expressed here. Other folks can chime in concerning however they see it. |
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Post by lemongrass on Apr 26, 2012 17:02:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the adult nuance Andrew, I always welcome that. lg ... I'll take that for a resounding "YES!" to my question ... don't fret I'm likely just passin' through so you'll be left to your stated inquiry with a relatively clear backdrop. Protip: You try too hard to stand out and are over the top in your creativity. I suggest you get better. "relatively clear backdrop"? I don't know what that means. "left to my stated inquiry"? When this posts ends is when I stop thinking about you. |
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Post by silence on Apr 26, 2012 17:58:56 GMT -5
Protip: You try too hard to stand out and are over the top in your creativity. I suggest you get better. You looked right into the mirror on that one. |
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Post by lemongrass on Apr 26, 2012 22:20:27 GMT -5
Protip: You try too hard to stand out and are over the top in your creativity. I suggest you get better. You looked right into the mirror on that one. whaaa? since when did my computer screen become a mirror? |
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Post by laughter on Apr 27, 2012 3:54:27 GMT -5
zd, Thank you for your honest reply. lg's observations about that presentation may seem fair ... there's quite a bit of context behind it but stories are stories so no need for that digression... the flaw in the observation, however, is the idea that he knew how hard I had to try to type those words ... I'll refrain from sharing more on that as it would be unhelpful. I offer the observation that a common page was established rather succinctly. I think most people who post here assume that personal selfhood is an illusion O.k. I've digressed your thread enough, I'll just let that stand as it is and speak for itself. Assumptions or not, beliefs or not, the possibility of treating every moment of our lives as a meditation is one that I wouldn't describe as thrilling, but sublime. laughter is, quite the serious business after all. |
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