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Post by andrew on Apr 16, 2012 11:37:34 GMT -5
I havent said the mind is a separate thing. Or are you saying the mind is a separate thing? If it's not a separate thing, what is mind then? Its that odd question again! Do you really want to explore this? Why not just cut to the chase....what are you wanting to teach me exactly? |
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Post by andrew on Apr 16, 2012 11:42:44 GMT -5
My money is on.....'that there is only Being'.
At which point I will talk about reification again.
Or...to give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you are trying to teach me that there are no separately existing things. Though I already understand that.
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Post by silence on Apr 16, 2012 11:44:49 GMT -5
It's a beautiful post ZD, but from someone who has tried hard it seems impossible. Nothing here seems to work, I honestly feel exactly the same as before. Sorry I think I'm going through a negative stage am not sure these things just arn't medical. Noticing that nothing works, is what works. Which is why I'm very hesitant to jump in and support discussions about 'just attend what is' or 'all you have to do is drop all of your thoughts and beliefs' or 'anyone can do it' etc. etc. We're all addicts. Total junkies for feeling good. When the typical societal way of finding permanent happiness, power, pleasure fails we turn to spirituality. We must face what we're really trying to do. We're looking for that ultimate pleasure but we can't ever keep it as long as we'd like. The total and utter futility of it all must be met head on. There has to be a willingness to want to simply stop rather than search out the next high. The next spiritual video, the next lovely meditation session, the next flow experience. You don't stop because you know how. You stop because you see that you're totally and completely stuck. Totally out of moves. That conviction can only come from within. Even the fanciest words coming off adyashanti's mouth aren't going to help. |
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Post by question on Apr 16, 2012 11:46:47 GMT -5
Lol, Porto again...
He is soo 2009. Still trying to be clever, still beating te same horse that's been dead for years.
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Post by esponja on Apr 16, 2012 11:48:21 GMT -5
There's probably a lot of fear running parallel to a lot of desire for something to change. There's also a deep belief that 'this story' currently believed in is not the Truth. There's a deep belief that what is believed is not true?? Look again. What's actually believed? Well I had the word 'understanding' in there first. So yes now when I read that it's ridiculous. Ggrr am just frustrated. My mind is frustrated. I know you have 'your ways' E, but am not sure anyone can get me out of this. I carry on seeking and so many times want to walk away and carry on as before but can't. I have these realizations then feel like I know it all (spiritual arrogance) then as I said...whoosh I'm back to where I was and a sharp reminder that nothing has changed here. I'd like someone to walk me through this 'is there a Me?' questioning because I keep finding one. Ok it's v late here so forgive me if I don't respond for a while. Am off to the place of real Enlightenment...sleep! |
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Post by Portto on Apr 16, 2012 12:12:04 GMT -5
If it's not a separate thing, what is mind then? Its that odd question again! Do you really want to explore this? Why not just cut to the chase....what are you wanting to teach me exactly? You must go to law school! They need someone like you! |
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Post by Portto on Apr 16, 2012 12:12:56 GMT -5
Lol, Porto again... He is soo 2009. Still trying to be clever, still beating te same horse that's been dead for years. Oh, I forgot only you can pretend to be smart... |
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Post by question on Apr 16, 2012 12:19:46 GMT -5
Lol, Porto again... He is soo 2009. Still trying to be clever, still beating te same horse that's been dead for years. Oh, I forgot only you can pretend to be smart... I have to pretend. What else can I do with measily 73 IQ points? But fortunately I have one thing that's really big. You wanna know what it is? |
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Post by question on Apr 16, 2012 12:21:33 GMT -5
Its that odd question again! Do you really want to explore this? Why not just cut to the chase....what are you wanting to teach me exactly? You must go to law school! They need someone like you! I've heard that joke somewhere. I don't remember where but I do remember that I've heard it very very often. So often in fact, that it's not funny anymore. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 16, 2012 12:24:22 GMT -5
Its that odd question again! Do you really want to explore this? Why not just cut to the chase....what are you wanting to teach me exactly? You must go to law school! They need someone like you! Thing is P is that on the one hand we are talking about candida (which actually I appreciated) and on the other hand you are saying there is no such thing as mind. If you are simply trying to tell me there are no separately existing things...well, fine and thanks, but I already understand that. If you are telling me that there is only 'Being', then really you shouldnt be talking to me about candida! We all have a reference for/sense of there being some kind of a difference between body and mind (otherwise we wouldnt distinguish) though some MAY understand them to be separate. As far as Im concerned, if we are going to deny the existence of mind, we might as well deny the existence of the body, which we could do, but it just seems like hard work right now. I would rather talk about candida hehe. |
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Post by question on Apr 16, 2012 12:35:30 GMT -5
But fortunately I have one thing that's really big. You wanna know what it is? Baguette? No, not that big. But the shape is correct. Keep guessing. Oh and congratulations! That was a great first post. |
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Post by esponja on Apr 16, 2012 12:36:21 GMT -5
Noticing that nothing works, is what works. Which is why I'm very hesitant to jump in and support discussions about 'just attend what is' or 'all you have to do is drop all of your thoughts and beliefs' or 'anyone can do it' etc. etc. We're all addicts. Total junkies for feeling good. When the typical societal way of finding permanent happiness, power, pleasure fails we turn to spirituality. We must face what we're really trying to do. We're looking for that ultimate pleasure but we can't ever keep it as long as we'd like. The total and utter futility of it all must be met head on. There has to be a willingness to want to simply stop rather than search out the next high. The next spiritual video, the next lovely meditation session, the next flow experience. You don't stop because you know how. You stop because you see that you're totally and completely stuck. Totally out of moves. That conviction can only come from within. Even the fanciest words coming off adyashanti's mouth aren't going to help. Still awake. (Boom Boom Cccchhhhing) It's hard not to look for a high when you feel low. I know it's resisting what is. I do get the futility of it, however the illusion persists. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 16, 2012 12:53:40 GMT -5
Which is why I'm very hesitant to jump in and support discussions about 'just attend what is' or 'all you have to do is drop all of your thoughts and beliefs' or 'anyone can do it' etc. etc. We're all addicts. Total junkies for feeling good. When the typical societal way of finding permanent happiness, power, pleasure fails we turn to spirituality. We must face what we're really trying to do. We're looking for that ultimate pleasure but we can't ever keep it as long as we'd like. The total and utter futility of it all must be met head on. There has to be a willingness to want to simply stop rather than search out the next high. The next spiritual video, the next lovely meditation session, the next flow experience. You don't stop because you know how. You stop because you see that you're totally and completely stuck. Totally out of moves. That conviction can only come from within. Even the fanciest words coming off adyashanti's mouth aren't going to help. Still awake. (Boom Boom Cccchhhhing) It's hard not to look for a high when you feel low. I know it's resisting what is. I do get the futility of it, however the illusion persists. Our bodyminds are programmed to respond to negative emotion just as they are programmed to respond to pain. Whenever there is a sense of 'restriction' or 'contraction' in our energy, the bodymind will respond to that. Even if we just observe or allow the emotion, or notice something about it, its still responding to the sense of restriction/contraction. We dont get beyond the positive/negative duality, we dont get beyond responding to 'restrictions' in our energy, we just turn down the volume on the duality, more and more we lose the sense of calamity that comes with the negative and the sense of relief that comes with shifting back towards the positive. It all just becomes more.... neutral, less.....dramatic. There is still a seeking of sorts because when the bodymind experiences negativity it is designed to seek out positivity, but there is little grandiosity to it, the seeking happens spontaneously, and there is little need to play out the drama triangle roles (the victim, rescuer, protagonist) that often accompany the duality. Im saying this really because I think that seekers sometimes have a slightly skewed expectation of what they are meant to be achieving. And my guess is that none of what I said helps, because its still setting up a 'what you should be aiming towards'. Maybe this will help more....in my opinion, you will be done with this particular game within a year. Is that too long? |
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Post by Portto on Apr 16, 2012 13:50:59 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot only you can pretend to be smart... I have to pretend. What else can I do with measily 73 IQ points? But fortunately I have one thing that's really big. You wanna know what it is? I wish you were smarter and didn't repeat jokes. ;D But there's time. |
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Post by Portto on Apr 16, 2012 13:51:52 GMT -5
You must go to law school! They need someone like you! I've heard that joke somewhere. I don't remember where but I do remember that I've heard it very very often. So often in fact, that it's not funny anymore. It's not a joke. I will repeat it until Andrew becomes a lawyer. |
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