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Post by zendancer on Apr 16, 2012 20:27:45 GMT -5
Which is why I'm very hesitant to jump in and support discussions about 'just attend what is' or 'all you have to do is drop all of your thoughts and beliefs' or 'anyone can do it' etc. etc. We're all addicts. Total junkies for feeling good. When the typical societal way of finding permanent happiness, power, pleasure fails we turn to spirituality. We must face what we're really trying to do. We're looking for that ultimate pleasure but we can't ever keep it as long as we'd like. The total and utter futility of it all must be met head on. There has to be a willingness to want to simply stop rather than search out the next high. The next spiritual video, the next lovely meditation session, the next flow experience. You don't stop because you know how. You stop because you see that you're totally and completely stuck. Totally out of moves. That conviction can only come from within. Even the fanciest words coming off adyashanti's mouth aren't going to help. I laminate with this. Allow me to pile on my thought forms and manifest some flowage  . Mechanically speaking, I don't see much difference between a mind seeking happiness and one seeking truth: find something that's not already here to be something you cant possibly be. In many ways, I think delusions are more pronounced in the seeking happiness game as opposed to the becoming consciousness or awareness thing. That's a dried up delusion with little weight that never gets anyone very far. Sure some juicy bliss experiences and things of the like may come and go. In many ways, these experiences only further cement the delulsional foundation upon which they were built, which likewise disintegrates the movement toward transcendence in lieu of a somnambulistic deluded mind state where all is good and well and everyone is one even though deep down on an unconscious level mind knows darn well that it isnt. S.hit doesnt impress me in the least which isnt to say i dont understand the appeal. But that sort of spiritual happiness is typically coupled with a real life desire to manifest an imaginary reality in an imaginary way. At its core, creative imagination isnt implicitly delusional. Minds are geared up to think like people, which doesnt make you a person in the first place, but no reason to talk about it otherwise unless of course we're feeding the giraffes. My point was, that when you see someone who thinks they need something to be happy, not spiritual, not some oneness mind state, but like another human being, an expensive car, s;hit like this, the giraffes come out to play and the repurcussions of seeing the giraffes, the suffering, the resistance, is all the more noticeable, which makes it that much easier to understand. If we cut through all the jargon and non dual lingo, which may take lifetimes in certain cases, we are left with a mind geared up to function in a certain way. What is freedom if not the absence of the tendency to resist oneself? What good is a life without purpose? Can there be any other cause but truth? And im not just talking about non dual oneness truth, but whatevers true for you. What is it that gets you goin? Maybe its feeding the squirrels, and maybe its sharing your clarity and understanding with the world. I dont polycoat with the non doership stuff and no self mentality to the extent its fueled by self delusion and bypassing personal responsibility. We're not all gonna be authors and poets but we are all free to question ourselves to see how we are making ourselves miserable so we can figure out why. Theres a line between "acceptance" and "doing what you want" and its drawn by a delusional artist. I pretty much emulate with that. |
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Post by esponja on Apr 17, 2012 0:21:20 GMT -5
Our bodyminds are programmed to respond to negative emotion just as they are programmed to respond to pain. Whenever there is a sense of 'restriction' or 'contraction' in our energy, the bodymind will respond to that. Even if we just observe or allow the emotion, or notice something about it, its still responding to the sense of restriction/contraction. We dont get beyond the positive/negative duality, we dont get beyond responding to 'restrictions' in our energy, we just turn down the volume on the duality, more and more we lose the sense of calamity that comes with the negative and the sense of relief that comes with shifting back towards the positive. It all just becomes more.... neutral, less.....dramatic. There is still a seeking of sorts because when the bodymind experiences negativity it is designed to seek out positivity, but there is little grandiosity to it, the seeking happens spontaneously, and there is little need to play out the drama triangle roles (the victim, rescuer, protagonist) that often accompany the duality. Im saying this really because I think that seekers sometimes have a slightly skewed expectation of what they are meant to be achieving. And my guess is that none of what I said helps, because its still setting up a 'what you should be aiming towards'. Maybe this will help more....in my opinion, you will be done with this particular game within a year. Is that too long? I agree with this, but I doubt that the sponge will be done in one year. The end of seeking does not end that quickly for most people. I would rather ask the sponge, "Are you so committed to finding the truth that you're willing to spend the rest of your life and ten lifetimes beyond?" That's the kind of persistence I'm talking about. Yes, it is normal and natural for a person to check on the state of their spiritual progress. "Are things getting better, yet?" "Am I noticeably happier as a result of what I'm doing?" "Have I learned what I wanted to know?" Etc. Every time we check on how we're doing, we reinforce the idea that we are separate entities making progress toward some imaginary goal. This idea is part of the overall illusion of personal selfhood. It is a misconception, but it is the misconception that everyone falls prey to. In order for the thought structure supporting a sense of selfhood to collapse, a person must stop reinforcing the thought structure by leaving self-centered thoughts behind and focusing attention upon what is happening in the present moment. Keeping attention focused upon what is here and now gradually changes how a person interacts with the world. One becomes present rather than remaining lost in an imaginary past or an imaginary future (or an imaginary present). This is no game for the faint of heart; it is a warrior's game, and it requires a warrior's mindset. What do you want? Do you want to wake up? If so, it will take ferocious dedication and unwavering attentiveness. You must draw your sword (metaphorically) and plunge into the unknown with no hope of survival. There is only one direction. Forward! ;D In answer to your first question, I don't know. It's not something I think about, how long am I willing to persue this? It's genuinely just happening whether I like it or not. But in honesty, for the frustration I feel I'm not that keen on a lifetime of this no. What can I do about it though? |
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Post by esponja on Apr 17, 2012 0:26:17 GMT -5
Your post was probably intended to be pep talk, but it's actually very demotivational. You know as well as I do that it either takes someone extremely brave, curious or delusional to commit a lifetime and ten more for the truth. Maybe one of a hundred thousand will commit oneself to such a task, for most people it is completely beyond reach. Or maybe one needs to have an extraordinary experience that devalues 'normal' experience to such degree that it appears insignificant enough for such heroic persistence to take place. Most people (myself included) are faint of heart and no warriors, weak, scared, fighting for survival, trying to manage their short life without screwing up too badly. If what you're saying is true then enlightenment is possible only for the special or lucky ones. So, what is it gonna be? Is enlightenment possible for simple folks or not? You may be right. What I wrote as a pep talk could be demotivational for some folks. You're also right that whether someone wakes up is the luck of the draw because volition is another illusion. But its not quite that simple, and I think you recognize that. The truth is neither volitional nor non-volitional. That's the whole point of the koan about the guy who sits in samadhi for a trillion years and never wakes up. I look at the situation sort of probabalisticially. Most people on this forum are pretty sincere even if they experience lots of ups and downs, and sincerity counts for a great deal. Those who are mildly curious are very unlikely to awaken. It takes a certain amount of seriousness of intent to have a chance. I also agree that big woo woo experiences can be extremely motivational even if they, too, are a pitfall of another kind. What generally happens is what Andrew alluded to; people want quick gratification and they shrink from what they perceive as negative results. The mind will employ all kinds of strategies for getting what it thinks it wants, but if one persists, one finally runs into a wall of imprenetrable steel. The mind recoils and thinks, "Gee whiz, I've tried everything without success. How can I get what I want?" I've gone in every direction and tried every technique and yet I'm not awake. What's going on with that?" This very question graphically illustrates that the idea of personal selfhood is alive and well, and that the imaginary person is highly frustrated in its desire to get what it wants. When I reached that point, however, I still did not stop. I looked at everything that had happened over the previous fifteen years, and concluded that there was nothing I could do other than what I was already doing--keeping attention focused as much as possible on what I could see and hear, and staying attentive during all of my daily activities. Over the previous years of seeking the body/mind had gradually changed from being primarily reflective to being primarily action-oriented. I had stopped almost all fantasizing and second-guessing and had eliminated tons of useless mental ruminating. I had become a "do it" kind of guy. Along the way I had had various experiences of unity-consciousness, but I always came back to a "me in here" looking at "a world out there." My final koan was, "How can I stay in a unity-conscious state of mind all the time?" This very question shows that there was still a "me" wanting to reside in a permanent state of oneness. Of course, I did not realize what the question implied at the time. Like the fool who persists in his folly, I just kept looking at the world without knowing. I kept doing this because there was nothing else that offered any hope at all. Almost every time I went for a hike or drove somewhere, I shifted attention away from thoughts to what I could see or hear. I did this day after day for years. Finally, on a particular day, the structure of thoughts supporting a sense of selfhood collapsed, and my spiritual search came to an end. I saw with extreme clarity that who I had thought I was had never existed and that I was "what is." Bingo! For other people it may happen differently. Gangagi met Papaji, and he told her to stop the search. Somehow she heard that admonition and stopped. Some people get struck "out of the blue." That's pretty rare, but it happens occasionally. Most people have to exhaust every strategy imaginable in order to reach the sense of futility that Silence mentioned, and that futility is often the springboard into the unknown. The search is frustrating because there is no guarantee that one will ever see through the illusion of selfhood, but that's just the nature of who/what we are. We're a blooming mystery, but if we don't look for the truth, then we're very unlikely to find it. There's no point in giving you a pep talk; I'm just telling you that this is the way it is. You're smart, so you have better odds than those who aren't so smart. Anyone can wake up, but smart people seem to have an edge from what I've seen. Take care. Based on the 'smart' comment, am scre$&ed. Lol! And 15years? Really? I think I may just go back to church instead. (Don't worry am tongue and cheek ish...) |
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Post by esponja on Apr 17, 2012 0:28:29 GMT -5
Which is why I'm very hesitant to jump in and support discussions about 'just attend what is' or 'all you have to do is drop all of your thoughts and beliefs' or 'anyone can do it' etc. etc. We're all addicts. Total junkies for feeling good. When the typical societal way of finding permanent happiness, power, pleasure fails we turn to spirituality. We must face what we're really trying to do. We're looking for that ultimate pleasure but we can't ever keep it as long as we'd like. The total and utter futility of it all must be met head on. There has to be a willingness to want to simply stop rather than search out the next high. The next spiritual video, the next lovely meditation session, the next flow experience. You don't stop because you know how. You stop because you see that you're totally and completely stuck. Totally out of moves. That conviction can only come from within. Even the fanciest words coming off adyashanti's mouth aren't going to help. I laminate with this. Allow me to pile on my thought forms and manifest some flowage . Mechanically speaking, I don't see much difference between a mind seeking happiness and one seeking truth: find something that's not already here to be something you cant possibly be. In many ways, I think delusions are more pronounced in the seeking happiness game as opposed to the becoming consciousness or awareness thing. That's a dried up delusion with little weight that never gets anyone very far. Sure some juicy bliss experiences and things of the like may come and go. In many ways, these experiences only further cement the delulsional foundation upon which they were built, which likewise disintegrates the movement toward transcendence in lieu of a somnambulistic deluded mind state where all is good and well and everyone is one even though deep down on an unconscious level mind knows darn well that it isnt. S.hit doesnt impress me in the least which isnt to say i dont understand the appeal. But that sort of spiritual happiness is typically coupled with a real life desire to manifest an imaginary reality in an imaginary way. At its core, creative imagination isnt implicitly delusional. Minds are geared up to think like people, which doesnt make you a person in the first place, but no reason to talk about it otherwise unless of course we're feeding the giraffes. My point was, that when you see someone who thinks they need something to be happy, not spiritual, not some oneness mind state, but like another human being, an expensive car, s;hit like this, the giraffes come out to play and the repurcussions of seeing the giraffes, the suffering, the resistance, is all the more noticeable, which makes it that much easier to understand. If we cut through all the jargon and non dual lingo, which may take lifetimes in certain cases, we are left with a mind geared up to function in a certain way. What is freedom if not the absence of the tendency to resist oneself? What good is a life without purpose? Can there be any other cause but truth? And im not just talking about non dual oneness truth, but whatevers true for you. What is it that gets you goin? Maybe its feeding the squirrels, and maybe its sharing your clarity and understanding with the world. I dont polycoat with the non doership stuff and no self mentality to the extent its fueled by self delusion and bypassing personal responsibility. We're not all gonna be authors and poets but we are all free to question ourselves to see how we are making ourselves miserable so we can figure out why. Theres a line between "acceptance" and "doing what you want" and its drawn by a delusional artist. Am sorry, what? So much of what's on this forum goes over my head! I probably have to go back and read some of these posts a couple more times |
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Post by esponja on Apr 17, 2012 0:40:00 GMT -5
I saw this Edith Wartin quote today coming out if the Docs, how's this for a sync?
If only we'd stop trying to be happy we'd have a pretty good time.
Made me smile!
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Post by enigma on Apr 17, 2012 0:40:26 GMT -5
I agree with this, but I doubt that the sponge will be done in one year. The end of seeking does not end that quickly for most people. I would rather ask the sponge, "Are you so committed to finding the truth that you're willing to spend the rest of your life and ten lifetimes beyond?" That's the kind of persistence I'm talking about. Yes, it is normal and natural for a person to check on the state of their spiritual progress. "Are things getting better, yet?" "Am I noticeably happier as a result of what I'm doing?" "Have I learned what I wanted to know?" Etc. Every time we check on how we're doing, we reinforce the idea that we are separate entities making progress toward some imaginary goal. This idea is part of the overall illusion of personal selfhood. It is a misconception, but it is the misconception that everyone falls prey to. In order for the thought structure supporting a sense of selfhood to collapse, a person must stop reinforcing the thought structure by leaving self-centered thoughts behind and focusing attention upon what is happening in the present moment. Keeping attention focused upon what is here and now gradually changes how a person interacts with the world. One becomes present rather than remaining lost in an imaginary past or an imaginary future (or an imaginary present). This is no game for the faint of heart; it is a warrior's game, and it requires a warrior's mindset. What do you want? Do you want to wake up? If so, it will take ferocious dedication and unwavering attentiveness. You must draw your sword (metaphorically) and plunge into the unknown with no hope of survival. There is only one direction. Forward! ;D In answer to your first question, I don't know. It's not something I think about, how long am I willing to persue this? It's genuinely just happening whether I like it or not. But in honesty, for the frustration I feel I'm not that keen on a lifetime of this no. What can I do about it though? Well, here's one far out, wacky idea: Give up the struggle. I don't mean to do or not do anything. I don't mean to stop problem solving or responding intelligently to life. I don't mean to resign yourself to a life of suffering. I mean abandon the struggle you see and feel at the core of your gut. You hate it, you don't want it, you didn't sign up for this war and you're not fighting it. If you think the struggle, the bare naked struggle by itself, is doing anything for you but killing you slowly, tell me what it is and we can change the game plan. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 17, 2012 1:07:13 GMT -5
I saw this Edith Wartin quote today coming out if the Docs, how's this for a sync? If only we'd stop trying to be happy we'd have a pretty good time. Made me smile! Yes, the search for happiness is the cause of misery. Where did the idea come from that something is wrong? That idea, focused on intensely, begins to seem very, very real, and then it's all about solutions. Mind in delusion and fear has made this world in it's image, and it will refer to that world as proof that there is a problem. It's a self fulfilled prophecy, but it begins with you refusing to play the game. Questions need answers and problems need solutions, and the imaginary self cannot exist without them, so they become very important. In a way, we can't live without them, and we don't want to die, so we feel caught between a rock and hard place. This is why we have to get all nondual and throw away the separate identity. It cannot be reconciled. The separate person must have a world of struggle and suffering in order to sustain the sense of self. You are a mental structure composed of need. Without a sense that something is lacking, that something has to be done, you vanish as the person you imagine yourself to be. Stop imagining that anything at all is missing, and very quickly mind will begin weaving a story of lack. It must, it is the life's blood of the separate person. It's a serious existential crisis, and it is pure imagination. You want to play and you want to stop playing. Choose one, not both. Choosing both is what keeps you stuck, but it also keeps 'you' alive, and that's why you do it. |
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Post by jasonl on Apr 17, 2012 1:15:36 GMT -5
I laminate with this. Allow me to pile on my thought forms and manifest some flowage . Mechanically speaking, I don't see much difference between a mind seeking happiness and one seeking truth: find something that's not already here to be something you cant possibly be. In many ways, I think delusions are more pronounced in the seeking happiness game as opposed to the becoming consciousness or awareness thing. That's a dried up delusion with little weight that never gets anyone very far. Sure some juicy bliss experiences and things of the like may come and go. In many ways, these experiences only further cement the delulsional foundation upon which they were built, which likewise disintegrates the movement toward transcendence in lieu of a somnambulistic deluded mind state where all is good and well and everyone is one even though deep down on an unconscious level mind knows darn well that it isnt. S.hit doesnt impress me in the least which isnt to say i dont understand the appeal. But that sort of spiritual happiness is typically coupled with a real life desire to manifest an imaginary reality in an imaginary way. At its core, creative imagination isnt implicitly delusional. Minds are geared up to think like people, which doesnt make you a person in the first place, but no reason to talk about it otherwise unless of course we're feeding the giraffes. My point was, that when you see someone who thinks they need something to be happy, not spiritual, not some oneness mind state, but like another human being, an expensive car, s;hit like this, the giraffes come out to play and the repurcussions of seeing the giraffes, the suffering, the resistance, is all the more noticeable, which makes it that much easier to understand. If we cut through all the jargon and non dual lingo, which may take lifetimes in certain cases, we are left with a mind geared up to function in a certain way. What is freedom if not the absence of the tendency to resist oneself? What good is a life without purpose? Can there be any other cause but truth? And im not just talking about non dual oneness truth, but whatevers true for you. What is it that gets you goin? Maybe its feeding the squirrels, and maybe its sharing your clarity and understanding with the world. I dont polycoat with the non doership stuff and no self mentality to the extent its fueled by self delusion and bypassing personal responsibility. We're not all gonna be authors and poets but we are all free to question ourselves to see how we are making ourselves miserable so we can figure out why. Theres a line between "acceptance" and "doing what you want" and its drawn by a delusional artist. Am sorry, what? So much of what's on this forum goes over my head! I probably have to go back and read some of these posts a couple more times Hehe its ok. I guess I was sort of sizing up what seems to go on in the spiritual game, and make the point that a mind can become fully conscious without really diving into the "non dual" stuff if the willingness and integrity is present. I remember reading Eckhart Tolle a few years back and he said something like "hang out in the gaps between thoughts", and the way i interpreted it then was to split my mind against itself. I guess, we could say, i believed there was some higher awareness Self in between my thoughts and I could "become this", that my mind could or was becoming something which transcends mind altogether, and its one form of delusion which is very common. The way the mind works around this delusion as a form of shielding can make it very difficult to provoke it into conscious understanding. When you have a mind believing that its not a mind, the whole notion of becoming conscious of the unconscious processes, and more pointedly, the internal conflicts harbored within and projected out of those processes, is a moot point. I think, as silence alluded to, that the search for truth is often just a search for happiness disguised as something it isnt, and I think the core mechanism behind the seeking is the delusion that one can control the emotional body, often projected onto life out there through worrying about future, seeking comfort in knowledge, and things of this nature. If there is a belief that this or that needs to happen for mind to be at peace, it is that very belief which creates the experience of what isnt peace, and when the belief is that mind needs to be absent for mind to be at peace, well we have a merry go round of giraffe hunting that literally cannot possibly come to an end. The seeking mind is geared up to perpetuate its own seeking and somehow manages to not see whats going on, and the reason it doesnt want to see is fear of some sort. When someone is taking an honest look at what theyre scared of, the possibility for transcendence of the fear becomes possible, because its on the table and is game for understanding. Seeking, even happiness seeking, is a fear driven phenomena in one way or another, and understanding that phenomena is the only game worth playing. |
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Post by jasonl on Apr 17, 2012 1:16:42 GMT -5
I laminate with this. Allow me to pile on my thought forms and manifest some flowage . Mechanically speaking, I don't see much difference between a mind seeking happiness and one seeking truth: find something that's not already here to be something you cant possibly be. In many ways, I think delusions are more pronounced in the seeking happiness game as opposed to the becoming consciousness or awareness thing. That's a dried up delusion with little weight that never gets anyone very far. Sure some juicy bliss experiences and things of the like may come and go. In many ways, these experiences only further cement the delulsional foundation upon which they were built, which likewise disintegrates the movement toward transcendence in lieu of a somnambulistic deluded mind state where all is good and well and everyone is one even though deep down on an unconscious level mind knows darn well that it isnt. S.hit doesnt impress me in the least which isnt to say i dont understand the appeal. But that sort of spiritual happiness is typically coupled with a real life desire to manifest an imaginary reality in an imaginary way. At its core, creative imagination isnt implicitly delusional. Minds are geared up to think like people, which doesnt make you a person in the first place, but no reason to talk about it otherwise unless of course we're feeding the giraffes. My point was, that when you see someone who thinks they need something to be happy, not spiritual, not some oneness mind state, but like another human being, an expensive car, s;hit like this, the giraffes come out to play and the repurcussions of seeing the giraffes, the suffering, the resistance, is all the more noticeable, which makes it that much easier to understand. If we cut through all the jargon and non dual lingo, which may take lifetimes in certain cases, we are left with a mind geared up to function in a certain way. What is freedom if not the absence of the tendency to resist oneself? What good is a life without purpose? Can there be any other cause but truth? And im not just talking about non dual oneness truth, but whatevers true for you. What is it that gets you goin? Maybe its feeding the squirrels, and maybe its sharing your clarity and understanding with the world. I dont polycoat with the non doership stuff and no self mentality to the extent its fueled by self delusion and bypassing personal responsibility. We're not all gonna be authors and poets but we are all free to question ourselves to see how we are making ourselves miserable so we can figure out why. Theres a line between "acceptance" and "doing what you want" and its drawn by a delusional artist. I pretty much emulate with that. I emulate with your emulation hehe. Greeting and salutations ZD, you guys are doing some good work over here. A pleasure to be part of this little place |
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Post by enigma on Apr 17, 2012 1:41:43 GMT -5
I pretty much emulate with that. I emulate with your emulation hehe. Greeting and salutations ZD, you guys are doing some good work over here. A pleasure to be part of this little place It's good to hear from you again, Jason. |
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Post by jasonl on Apr 17, 2012 1:57:43 GMT -5
I emulate with your emulation hehe. Greeting and salutations ZD, you guys are doing some good work over here. A pleasure to be part of this little place It's good to hear from you again, Jason. Always a pleasure kind sir. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 17, 2012 2:04:52 GMT -5
I agree with this, but I doubt that the sponge will be done in one year. The end of seeking does not end that quickly for most people. I would rather ask the sponge, "Are you so committed to finding the truth that you're willing to spend the rest of your life and ten lifetimes beyond?" That's the kind of persistence I'm talking about. Yes, it is normal and natural for a person to check on the state of their spiritual progress. "Are things getting better, yet?" "Am I noticeably happier as a result of what I'm doing?" "Have I learned what I wanted to know?" Etc. Every time we check on how we're doing, we reinforce the idea that we are separate entities making progress toward some imaginary goal. This idea is part of the overall illusion of personal selfhood. It is a misconception, but it is the misconception that everyone falls prey to. In order for the thought structure supporting a sense of selfhood to collapse, a person must stop reinforcing the thought structure by leaving self-centered thoughts behind and focusing attention upon what is happening in the present moment. Keeping attention focused upon what is here and now gradually changes how a person interacts with the world. One becomes present rather than remaining lost in an imaginary past or an imaginary future (or an imaginary present). This is no game for the faint of heart; it is a warrior's game, and it requires a warrior's mindset. What do you want? Do you want to wake up? If so, it will take ferocious dedication and unwavering attentiveness. You must draw your sword (metaphorically) and plunge into the unknown with no hope of survival. There is only one direction. Forward! ;D In answer to your first question, I don't know. It's not something I think about, how long am I willing to persue this? It's genuinely just happening whether I like it or not. But in honesty, for the frustration I feel I'm not that keen on a lifetime of this no. What can I do about it though? Well....firstly, the idea that its ''genuinely just happening whether I like it or not'' is really just another non-dual idea. You looked closely and saw that you are not keen on a lifetime of this. What that means is that you get to PLAY with the idea of preference/choice (regardless of whether or not there is a choice). If you look closely you may also see that you are not quite ready to be totally finished with the seeking/exploration right now....and that is absolutely fine. You are not ready to be an 'enlightened being' (whatever that is). What would be helpful in my opinion is to get clear as to when you want this game/exploration to be finished. Somewhere between now and a lifetime, yes? 10 years? 5 years? A year? As I said, intuitively I felt a year, but thats just my guess. Establishing how long you want the process to take, takes a little bit of the drama out of the game (which is what you want right?). It takes a little bit of the helplessness/victimhood out of the game. Sometimes it is helpful to play with the idea that we DO have a say in the creative process. After all, we are the creative process in action. We are not separate from that creative process at all. |
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Post by arisha on Apr 17, 2012 2:14:18 GMT -5
What does this good work consist in? It's just a monotonous repetition of the same worn out stuff, which is a common knowledge for everybody. How on earth can it be useful, helpful and senseful? Gosh, it is so cheap, that nobody buys it, unless they are frightened about God who turns out to be not a good old man with a beard. De nada! Look at the world around you! It is full of life, full of wonders ! This is THIS. Everybody knows about that except you. Experiences are what you need, even if they are illusional. They will inspire you, will awaken you, will help you stop muttering all this nonsense.
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Post by Peter on Apr 17, 2012 2:31:43 GMT -5
We're all addicts. Total junkies for feeling good. When the typical societal way of finding permanent happiness, power, pleasure fails we turn to spirituality. We must face what we're really trying to do. We're looking for that ultimate pleasure but we can't ever keep it as long as we'd like. The total and utter futility of it all must be met head on.
There has to be a willingness to want to simply stop rather than search out the next high. The next spiritual video, the next lovely meditation session, the next flow experience. You don't stop because you know how. You stop because you see that you're totally and completely stuck. Totally out of moves. That conviction can only come from within. Even the fanciest words coming off adyashanti's mouth aren't going to help. Thank you, Silence. Nailed it. I carbon freeze Han Solo with that. |
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Post by arisha on Apr 17, 2012 2:39:41 GMT -5
We're all addicts. Total junkies for feeling good. When the typical societal way of finding permanent happiness, power, pleasure fails we turn to spirituality. We must face what we're really trying to do. We're looking for that ultimate pleasure but we can't ever keep it as long as we'd like. The total and utter futility of it all must be met head on.
There has to be a willingness to want to simply stop rather than search out the next high. The next spiritual video, the next lovely meditation session, the next flow experience. You don't stop because you know how. You stop because you see that you're totally and completely stuck. Totally out of moves. That conviction can only come from within. Even the fanciest words coming off adyashanti's mouth aren't going to help. This is so true. |
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