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Post by arisha on Feb 2, 2012 14:24:01 GMT -5
To have the result you are looking for NEVER join any spiritual circles, societies, workshops with their advertised masters and gurus. Because it's impossible to achieve the necessary concentration and start making progress when you are not alone. Any other person will inevitably interfere with their vibes, and all those very subtle constructions (if it's the right word) even won't start being created in your subtle bodies. Gurus know about that, but they need more clients, they won't tell you. They will make those things artificially with you, and you'll probably feel something which they announce to be the result you came for. Then you go home, and in some time the 'result' disappears. You need to go to them again. That is what they want.
To have the result you need 1. To have a good manual 2. To learn how to concentrate 3. Practice it alone.
The shortest way is to start with Yama/Niyama.
Don't think that it is very simple. It is very, very hard. When you are honest with yourself to the utmost possible degree.
This Yama/Niyama practicing is the first step, but it is very important to be qualified for the next one.
Those True Teachers know about everything and everybody, if you don't mind. They start helping if they see you are qualified. You will suddenly have an access to manuals, to all you need for growing.
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Post by enigma on Feb 2, 2012 14:30:31 GMT -5
I find that Miracle Grow works best when used religiously in the watering can. (1 tablespoon to a gallon)
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Post by desertrat on Feb 2, 2012 16:02:18 GMT -5
Yoga classes work ok in a group . Not ever method works for ever one. Depending on what you want to do you might check out some of the self hypnosis cds . desert rat
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Post by arisha on Feb 3, 2012 3:17:03 GMT -5
Yoga classes work ok in a group . Not ever method works for ever one. Depending on what you want to do you might check out some of the self hypnosis cds . desert rat The yoga they teach here in the US has nothing to do with yoga. They teach just physical exercising. I 've checked out all those manuals, and asked people how they are taught in classes. It is not a real yoga. When at least one element is missing the teaching doesn't work as it should. And I didn't find all necessary elements in all those books and in classes. So, what are they doing? They are simply doing physical exercises. It's also good. But it is not yoga. What results do people have practicing the so called yoga? No psychic results. After some period of practicing real yoga you start having Kundalini rising and siddhi. Do you want to have them? If you say you don't you are already desireless, in Nirvana, awakened, and enlightened. Usually people who are interested in these practices say that they are at least curious about having Kundalini rising with subsequent consequences. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 3, 2012 3:28:47 GMT -5
Yoga classes work ok in a group . Not ever method works for ever one. Depending on what you want to do you might check out some of the self hypnosis cds . desert rat The yoga they teach here in the US has nothing to do with yoga. They teach just physical exercising. I 've checked out all those manuals, and asked people how they are taught in classes. It is not a real yoga. When at least one element is missing the teaching doesn't work as it should. And I didn't find all necessary elements in all those books and in classes. So, what are they doing? They are simply doing physical exercises. It's also good. But it is not yoga. What results do people have practicing the so called yoga? No psychic results. After some period of practicing real yoga you start having Kundalini rising and siddhi. Do you want to have them? If you say you don't you are already desireless, in Nirvana, awakened, and enlightened. Usually people who are interested in these practices say that they are at least curious about having Kundalini rising with subsequent consequences. Yeah, there's a pop Yoga and Pop Zen for everything. Just sumthin to do. |
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Post by Portto on Feb 3, 2012 7:58:34 GMT -5
Depending on what you want to do you might check out some of the self hypnosis cds . Self-hypnosis is the one thing most of us are experts at. We practice continuously. And now they came up with CD's on how to do it?  |
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Post by arisha on Feb 3, 2012 15:46:25 GMT -5
Yama:
"Ahimsa -- Non-violence. Not harming other people or other sentient beings. Not harming onesself. Not harming the environment. Tolerance even for that which we dislike. Not speaking that which, even though truthful, would injure others.
Satya -- Truthfulness. Note that sometimes we may know our words are literally true, but do not convey what we know to be truthful. This is a child's game. Satya means not intending to deceive others in our thoughts, as well as our words and actions.
Asteya -- Non-stealing. Not taking that which is not given.
Brahmacarya -- Sexual responsibility. Regarding others as human beings rather than as male and female bodies. The spirit of this precept is conservation of energy for the purpose of spiritual practice. This includes not only sexual restraint, but protecting our energy for instance by avoiding endless chattering with no clear purpose.
Aparigraha -- Abstention from greed. Not coveting that which is not ours. Avoidance of unnecessary acquisition of objects not essential to maintaining life or spiritual study."
Yama/Niyama are called crucial aspects of Yoga.
And this is what Enigma may call one more Miracle Grow Pill in the watering can:
"There are eight processes for thus restraining the mind.
The first is Yama, controlling the mind by avoiding externals. All morality is included in this. Beget no evil. Injure no living creature. If you injure nothing for twelve years, then even lions and tigers will go down before you. Practise truthfulness. Twelve years of absolute truthfulness in thought, word, and deed gives a man what he wills. Be chaste in thought, word, and action. Chastity is the basis of all religions. Personal purity is imperative.
Next is Niyama, not allowing the mind to wander in any direction."
(Rajah Yoga Patanjali)
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Post by freddy on Feb 3, 2012 16:01:46 GMT -5
arisha, do you not think that theses rules from yama/niyama onle REINFORCES personal doership ?
And doing 'good' things is only the polar opposite of doing 'bad' things. None of theme can stand alone without the other.
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Post by enigma on Feb 3, 2012 16:26:31 GMT -5
At least it looks like it would keep one busy for a while.
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Post by arisha on Feb 3, 2012 17:19:30 GMT -5
arisha, do you not think that theses rules from yama/niyama onle REINFORCES personal doership ? And doing 'good' things is only the polar opposite of doing 'bad' things. None of theme can stand alone without the other. You don't believe because you have never tried. Do only good things. |
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Post by arisha on Feb 3, 2012 17:21:34 GMT -5
At least it looks like it would keep one busy for a while. What is annoying about these Yama/Niyama? What is bad about teaching them? |
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Post by enigma on Feb 3, 2012 17:37:44 GMT -5
At least it looks like it would keep one busy for a while. What is annoying about these Yama/Niyama? What is bad about teaching them? I don't recall saying there was anything bad about it. I'm glad for religious rules and guilt indoctrination cause it keeps egos from running amok. |
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Post by desertrat on Feb 3, 2012 18:06:33 GMT -5
Depending on what you want to do you might check out some of the self hypnosis cds . Self-hypnosis is the one thing most of us are experts at. We practice continuously. And now they came up with CD's on how to do it? On self hypnosis , D. Sutphen has been writing books and making tapes from the 1970s on self hypnosis , and now has cds and dvds , along with many other people . On yoga , it means to yoke the body and mind togher . There is no ideal method , one size fits all method that works for ever one . It deponds on what you want to do and personal beliefs . desert rat |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 3, 2012 18:21:15 GMT -5
What is annoying about these Yama/Niyama? What is bad about teaching them? I don't recall saying there was anything bad about it. I'm glad for religious rules and guilt indoctrination cause it keeps egos from running amok. In my experience, guilt and guilt inculcation only feeds the ego, so I hafta disagree on that one. Not to knock religious peeps, but religions themselves don't seem to do much to really help those peeps. Like the line out of the Guess Who song, "too many churches, and not enough Truth". |
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Post by enigma on Feb 3, 2012 18:23:59 GMT -5
I don't recall saying there was anything bad about it. I'm glad for religious rules and guilt indoctrination cause it keeps egos from running amok. In my experience, guilt and guilt inculcation only feeds the ego, so I hafta disagree on that one. Not to knock religious peeps, but religions themselves don't seem to do much to really help those peeps. Like the line out of the Guess Who song, "too many churches, and not enough Truth". Well, I didn't mean that it helps them, I meant that it helps the rest of us. Hehe. |
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