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Post by andrew on Jan 30, 2012 17:49:32 GMT -5
Okay so with regard to the knowing that you are doing God's will...practically speaking, are you expecting to be told by God that you are doing God's will? If not, what form will this knowing take? How do you imagine you will KNOW you are doing God's will? I agree that freedom is experienced when there is no sense of running out of time. You want to be wise and free and loving and caring....sounds good to me. With regard to the immortality, are you saying that enlightened people are immortal and unenlightened people are not, or are you saying that enlightened people feel/know an immortality that unenlightened people dont?
By some kind of knowingness. God doesn't talk. A realization/revelation. With regard to the immortality, are you saying that enlightened people are immortal and unenlightened people are not, or are you saying that enlightened people feel/know an immortality that unenlightened people dont?I think enlightened people know a immortality that unenlightened people dont. Could you describe what you imagine this knowingness to be like? Will there be thoughts in your head which tell you that you are doing God's will? For example, do you think there will be a thought which says...'I know I am doing God's will.'? Or do you think there will there be a thought ABOUT the sense of knowingness that you are experiencing.....for example...'I am experiencing a knowingness and therefore I know I am doing God's will?'....Im trying to establish exactly how you think you will know you are doing God's will, i.e. what will be the significant clue for you that will inform you that you are doing God's will. Im not saying there isnt a knowingness by the way, and I agree that enlightened people know an immortality that unenlightened people do not so much. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 30, 2012 17:51:07 GMT -5
Love, yes, but I think also the regret here is guilt. Have you said sorry, even if its just in your heart? Even though you know you were just a child yourself, sometimes its good to say sorry. It helps us to heal. We are very close. We have talked about it very much. He sometimes like to trys to make me feel guilty. Yes I told him I was sorry. Don't get me wrong, the little fart used to be mean. Yes. Have you forgiven yourself? |
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Post by andrew on Jan 30, 2012 18:16:36 GMT -5
Could you describe what you imagine this knowingness to be like? Will there be thoughts in your head which tell you that you are doing God's will? For example, do you think there will be a thought which says...'I know I am doing God's will.'? Or do you think there will there be a thought ABOUT the sense of knowingness that you are experiencing.....for example...'I am experiencing a knowingness and therefore I know I am doing God's will?'....Im trying to establish exactly how you think you will know you are doing God's will, i.e. what will be the significant clue for you that will inform you that you are doing God's will. Im not saying there isnt a knowingness by the way, and I agree that enlightened people know an immortality that unenlightened people do not so much. I thought it would be similar to other realizations I've had. Just knowingness. But hopefully an ever present knowingness. I think I'm going to just have to meditate much more. I don't think I can be talked or reasoned to it. I dont think you can either. An ever present knowingness is something I resonate with. What Im trying to figure out is how you imagine this knowingness is connected with a knowing that you are doing God's will. In a way, to even THINK about God will be to create a separation between you and God that just isnt there. So I see this ever present knowingness simply as an absence of insecurity. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 30, 2012 18:19:21 GMT -5
Yes. Have you forgiven yourself? I guess. He holds me up to these extremely high standards. And lets me know I'm not prefect, like the broken plate. ;D ;D In the end, it has been (and still is), gratitude which has healed my relationships. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 30, 2012 18:29:27 GMT -5
I dont think you can either. An ever present knowingness is something I resonate with. What Im trying to figure out is how you imagine this knowingness is connected with a knowing that you are doing God's will. In a way, to even THINK about God will be to create a separation between you and God that just isnt there. So I see this ever present knowingness simply as an absence of insecurity. Gods Will becomes realized or understood or whatever you call it on Hawkins scale at 850 loc. ;D This scale has become an ingrained thing. But 850 just means it's very high. At that high a level I don't much try to figure it out. It would be futile. Okay, but do you see that to even think about God will be to create a separation that isnt there, and once this separation is created, you will no longer be doing 'God's will'? You spoke of wanting to be free, loving, caring, wise, understanding and you spoke of wanting to know immortality, and I think all these you will have, and I also think you can have ever present knowingness, but I think at some stage you might have to let go of wanting to know you are doing God's will. Tell me again what you think knowing you are doing God's will will give you that you dont have now? |
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Post by andrew on Jan 30, 2012 18:29:52 GMT -5
;D In the end, it has been (and still is), gratitude which has healed my relationships. Yes I'm so grateful for him. I'm going to sign off for a while. My brain is throbbing. Thanks Thanks to you too, been good to chat. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 31, 2012 1:17:13 GMT -5
Okay so with regard to the knowing that you are doing God's will...practically speaking, are you expecting to be told by God that you are doing God's will? If not, what form will this knowing take? How do you imagine you will KNOW you are doing God's will? I agree that freedom is experienced when there is no sense of running out of time. You want to be wise and free and loving and caring....sounds good to me. With regard to the immortality, are you saying that enlightened people are immortal and unenlightened people are not, or are you saying that enlightened people feel/know an immortality that unenlightened people dont?
By some kind of knowingness. God doesn't talk. A realization/revelation. As I see it, one is doing the 'will of God' when one is empty. IOW, when it's clear that 'I' am not doing anything. This is why Love moves in that emptiness, and why Peace is present. |
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