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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2012 21:28:36 GMT -5
Ego is nothing but action, a movement, both internally and externally... There is no "it" except for a movement that spontaneously appears, and then disappears from essential nature. Only in the sense of thought being a movement. That's not how I interpreted selfish action, which is how FJ is talking about it. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2012 21:35:11 GMT -5
All of us seem to share an aversion to being dangled by our feet and slapped on the butt, though apparently some are taught to 'prefer' it. ;D You picked out exactly the same line in nobody's message that I nearly responded to. Your reply was better than mine was going to be ;D I think we should study the transformation from aversion to preference in that case to see what we can learn about releasing attachments. ;D |
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Post by relinquish on Jan 29, 2012 21:53:41 GMT -5
Since we are talking about this subject I really can't do other than I can do. It will be god doing to me. God isn't 'doing' you, Freejoy. God is 'being' you, and everything else, effortlessly, for a little while. There's no intention 'behind' this movement. It's just the only way it can coherently appear. All this, including Freejoy's life, has arisen from movement that is following the logical path of least resistance between the states of absolute chaos and absolute order. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2012 21:54:33 GMT -5
Only in the sense of thought being a movement. That's not how I interpreted selfish action, which is how FJ is talking about it. It does not matter how I interprete selflessness or not. All that matters is my intent. And actually according to this forum, not even that. Hell anyone can get enlightened. Just do whatever you want. No matter. I don't believe that, and I don't think anyone has said that. It's not that you have to be good to be 'enlightened' but the internal struggle implied in cruelty and self centeredness becomes a distraction that hides realization. Some would call it karma. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2012 21:55:54 GMT -5
Only in the sense of thought being a movement. That's not how I interpreted selfish action, which is how FJ is talking about it. However you want to interpret it, all action is thought, all phenomena are thought, and all thought is a momentary movement appearing in a flash and disappearing in a flash. Movement is all there is, there is no "it" other than movement. I know, Steven. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 29, 2012 21:56:29 GMT -5
There is something wrong with me. I am defective. I can't figure out what it is. There's nothing wrong with you, you're just choosing to hold onto some hurts from the past, and giving your power away to God is not helpful and is not going to make the illusionary organism happy. Would you LIKE to be happy? |
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Post by andrew on Jan 29, 2012 22:17:54 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with you, you're just choosing to hold onto some hurts from the past, and giving your power away to God is not helpful and is not going to make the illusionary organism happy. Would you LIKE to be happy? I can picture any visual of the future. A big house, my beautiful flower gardens and waterfall and cliff over looking the valley. My look-out tower. My little grass runway and airplane hanger, my beautiful wife and little girl. And still I see myself in the picture seeking God and enlightenment. Sad This is your ideal picture, so can you imagine doing something more joyful, more fun and more loving than seeking God/enlightenment? The rest of the picture sounds cool. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 29, 2012 22:25:16 GMT -5
This is your ideal picture, so cant you imagine doing something more joyful, more fun and more loving than seeking God/enlightenment? The rest of the picture sounds cool. I didn't finish. I didn't include my angel company down the road not to far, or having all my fruits and vegetables ship fresh from all over the world, or my walk-in refrigerator for my wife. And my other wife too! ;D I'm so crazy. I must be bi-polar What are YOU doing in your ideal scenario though? What kind of work will be fulfilling, fun, joyful and meaningful for you? |
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Post by angela on Jan 29, 2012 22:29:50 GMT -5
at the deepest, darkest points in my journey i wanted nothing more than to kill myself, freejoy. something there wants to die, begins to prefer endings over hanging on, and staying around..... but it turns out it was not me, bodily, that wanted endings..... just this argument with life. it exhausted me beyond all recognition, and i could not contain it any longer. i hated everything, i just EXUDED negativity..... but in a sense, it was just the world turning inside out. god loves us all enough to remove us of any of our resistances. that is the kind of love we don't really hear a lot about....
when i talked to adya last spring, i was in that space. i was angry and dark and violent and suicidal. he looked at me deeply, and with the greatest compassion, just said: Stop Resisting.
it was hard to recognize how badly i was, in fact resisting. i thought i wanted the divine, and enlightenment, more than anything..... turns out that all the thoughts about how badly i wanted it, and all the work to get there, was actually the argument with it being THIS, HERE.... and the exhaustion was needed to drain me of all the ideas of getting anywhere else.
i feel you from here, brother, and honor every single thing you are feeling.
there is nothing wrong with you, honey. not one single thing.
"it is only naked as little children that we come before god...."
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Post by sharon on Jan 29, 2012 23:09:46 GMT -5
It's mildly fascinating to read how many beliefs the headed one has still got to burn through  |
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Post by sharon on Jan 29, 2012 23:17:57 GMT -5
Freejoy we both know you don't understand what I write  |
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Post by sharon on Jan 29, 2012 23:25:32 GMT -5
So can you feel the intention?
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Post by sharon on Jan 29, 2012 23:29:28 GMT -5
My stomach is buzzing though that may be 'cuz of the track I've got playing, what say you?
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Post by sharon on Jan 29, 2012 23:33:02 GMT -5
Yeah the track has ended now it must have been that  So what you been up to today? |
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Post by sharon on Jan 29, 2012 23:34:27 GMT -5
This was it |
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