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Post by sharon on Jan 29, 2012 23:36:00 GMT -5
Writing looks like over 100 posts. Non stop almost almost day long. And what did you learn? |
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Post by sharon on Jan 29, 2012 23:42:01 GMT -5
Good. Yeah it's pretty smooth. A kind lady in facebook left it up on their wall ~ big thanx to Echo Wave  |
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Post by sharon on Jan 29, 2012 23:42:51 GMT -5
I'm tried, they have been trying to kill me all day. Good night. Well that's what you've asked them to do. Goodnight dear |
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Post by sharon on Jan 29, 2012 23:50:51 GMT -5
Well that's what you've asked them to do. Goodnight dear Yes, but they still don't do it. Now they are saying they have to return for a couple more lifetimes to finish the job. Good night again, don't say gone so long this time. No. Steven is not saying that he'll have to return. Or at least, I don't think is ... though you may be suggesting another idea he has ... hmmm I'm not actually adverse to the idea that thats what we've bought into though, come to mention it. Third thought ~ No, because that creates a specialness. In the bin, seen that before, emotion lived through. Gone. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2012 23:57:01 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with you, you're just choosing to hold onto some hurts from the past, and giving your power away to God is not helpful and is not going to make the illusionary organism happy. Would you LIKE to be happy? I can picture any visual of the future. A big house, my beautiful flower gardens and waterfall and cliff over looking the valley. My look-out tower. My little grass runway and airplane hanger, my beautiful wife and little girl. And still I see myself in the picture seeking God and enlightenment. Sad It's not sad at all. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2012 0:02:00 GMT -5
it was hard to recognize how badly i was, in fact resisting. i thought i wanted the divine, and enlightenment, more than anything..... turns out that all the thoughts about how badly i wanted it, and all the work to get there, was actually the argument with it being THIS, HERE.... and the exhaustion was needed to drain me of all the ideas of getting anywhere else. ZZZZZackly. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 30, 2012 0:11:16 GMT -5
at the deepest, darkest points in my journey i wanted nothing more than to kill myself, freejoy. something there wants to die, begins to prefer endings over hanging on, and staying around..... but it turns out it was not me, bodily, that wanted endings..... just this argument with life. it exhausted me beyond all recognition, and i could not contain it any longer. i hated everything, i just EXUDED negativity..... but in a sense, it was just the world turning inside out. god loves us all enough to remove us of any of our resistances. that is the kind of love we don't really hear a lot about.... when i talked to adya last spring, i was in that space. i was angry and dark and violent and suicidal. he looked at me deeply, and with the greatest compassion, just said: Stop Resisting. it was hard to recognize how badly i was, in fact resisting. i thought i wanted the divine, and enlightenment, more than anything..... turns out that all the thoughts about how badly i wanted it, and all the work to get there, was actually the argument with it being THIS, HERE.... and the exhaustion was needed to drain me of all the ideas of getting anywhere else. i feel you from here, brother, and honor every single thing you are feeling. there is nothing wrong with you, honey. not one single thing. "it is only naked as little children that we come before god...." Yeah, but your not completely like me. How come everyone else gets enlightened easily. Look what Steven said I only have like six hundred more lifetimes. Steven can't possibly know if you wake up on 600 lifetimes or the next moment. He can't even know anything about karma or reincarnation. He only has his own woo woo experiences to go on, which were formed from his own fears. He didn't die and come back to tell the story. Nobody ever has. The most powerful thing I've heard you say is that you could have anything you want and still be seeking enlightenment. That already makes everything Andrew wants you to find irrelevant, along with everything Steven tells you to do to fix your life. Truth at all cost is what it takes. |
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Post by sharon on Jan 30, 2012 3:31:04 GMT -5
Is this description of your NDE before or after, all your other ideas that you tried to get Freejoy to buy into, Steven? But I'm telling you from direct personal experience...if you commit suicide and die, in order to avoid your karma, then you will burden not only your next life, but all of existance with your karmic debt...I can't force you to believe me, but there IS a kind of Moment of Judgement between lives when you die, and the horror of unresolved karma is worse than anything you can imagine in this life. But, if you do not want to believe me, you will find out anyway. No one escapes the Judgement Day. The worst possible karmic debt to incur, is suicide. Wouldn't work, becuase of the law of intention, I.e. you intended to kill yourself to avoid your karma in this life. Avoiding karma is avoiding karma, no way around it, and avoiding karma via suicide is a compounding of this issue in the worst way possible. Cool... Seal all the gaps good, otherwise you might not croak before the helium just runs out and be left alive but with brain damage, then you would be an even bigger burden on humanity than you are right now. Of course, if ya did that, you would pretty much be destroying any chance at enlightenment for the next several hundred lifetimes, Cuase the karmic debt for suicide is staggering.... But, if you really insist on creating another couple hundred lifetimes like this one for yourself... Knock yourself out brother I suggest jumping from a height 70 ft or higher though, as this has the highest percentage likely hood of cuasing death... It's even higher statistically at causing death than shooting yourself in the head. ;-) though neither of these are as genteel sounding as helium and a tent If us really want to add a few hundred more lifetimes of suffering in style, try the self immolation methods of the Buddhist monks during Vietnam. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 30, 2012 3:32:58 GMT -5
What are YOU doing in your ideal scenario though? What kind of work will be fulfilling, fun, joyful and meaningful for you? I'm going to work in my angel company. This is not like your normal company. It's all based on love. Nobody pushes a time clock. Four day work weeks unless less we are rushed. Go home anytime after your work is done. Organic angels products mostly. Original sculptures. About any kind angelic product we sell. I go to work there and do what I do. I come home, go in my tower, or sit in the gardens or cliff, walk to my water fall to take a shower. I might fly my airplane. but really... Those were dreams from long time ago. It's to much. It taking to much. I would have to feed a lot of children to feel good about myself for this. Actually my whole business would be to help out all the people I could possibly help. But none of it is worth trading enlightenment for, I mean true enlightenment. That's what I mean when I say I see myself still seeking enlightenment. So if we put your old dream to one side for a moment, in your ideal scenario are you seeking enlightenment or are you enlightened? And in what way do you want to help people? Help them rob banks? |
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Post by relinquish on Jan 30, 2012 3:35:53 GMT -5
Well that's what you've asked them to do. Goodnight dear Yes, but they still don't do it. Now they are saying they have to return for a couple more lifetimes to finish the job. Good night again, don't say gone so long this time. Hi Freejoy I have an idea that I'd like you to try, if you're up for it. Make it 'Freejoys' 'goal' to discover ALL that YOU are not. You must be ruthless about it, otherwise there is simply no point. Call me crazy, but I believe if we can recognize EVERYTHING 'we' are not, then we can not help but know EXACTLY what we are. Find yourself in infinity, to loose yourself in eternity. Peace. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 30, 2012 3:37:04 GMT -5
Yeah, but your not completely like me. How come everyone else gets enlightened easily. Look what Steven said I only have like six hundred more lifetimes. Steven can't possibly know if you wake up on 600 lifetimes or the next moment. He can't even know anything about karma or reincarnation. He only has his own woo woo experiences to go on, which were formed from his own fears. He didn't die and come back to tell the story. Nobody ever has. The most powerful thing I've heard you say is that you could have anything you want and still be seeking enlightenment. That already makes everything Andrew wants you to find irrelevant, along with everything Steven tells you to do to fix your life. Truth at all cost is what it takes. How do you know what I want Freejoy to find? If you want to know, I would say I want Freejoy to 'find' enlightenment. 'Truth at all costs' is pretentious non-dual nonsense because it says nothing about what is actually required. I would say what takes is willingness, honesty, ambition, discipline and courage. What I was asking Freejoy could potentially help him with at least 3 of those 5 things. |
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Post by relinquish on Jan 30, 2012 3:54:17 GMT -5
Maybe he can try the one I just surggested  |
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Post by Peter on Jan 30, 2012 4:18:54 GMT -5
Crikey this board is busy. A topic starts and before I even get up in the morning it's 10 pages long - too much to read when there's work to be done. Maybe ZenDancer could make his thread summary a regular feature. Is this description of your NDE before or after, all your other ideas that you tried to get Freejoy to buy into, Steven? Maybe you would prefer that Freejoy commit suicide over his current ideas? Ouch! I'm SO glad you didn't add "hehehe" to the end of that. Perhaps you're starting to become a little more genuine in your calling of spades, spades, insults are insults and irritation is irritation. I'm with Sharon, what you wrote did come over as extracts from a belief system. What came up for me was "how do you know?". If it was a NDE you've been referring to, I'm sure such things are as subjective as any other experience. In my own case (and I call it a Death Experience 'cos I really thought I'd died) it did feature a tunnel, but instead of a light there was just a voice saying "breathe". Nice. And the end of time and space, yadda yadda yadda. Also I experienced all people being one person, in a sort of overlapping simultaneous reincarnation. So at some point we all get to experience what everyone else experiences. Which really made the Golden Rule of "Do unto others as you would wish them to do unto you" solid for me - if I'm going to experience everyone's behaviour from the other side, then my Karmic debt to is automatically balanced. So Freejoy, I'd rather not have to experience your suicide if it's all the same to you. Find something to enjoy in every day, and I'll look forward to living in your shoes. And when you're living in mine, I'm really sorry about a week last Tuesday. Crappy day. Actually Freejoy, looking at your posting time, 6:40am (my time) is pretty late for someone in the US. Are you getting enough sleep? Sleeping is so important. I went through a fairly manic phase of burning the candle at both ends writing things on the internet and it didn't end well for me. I now have rules I stick to about not getting up before 6am and switching off the computer at 9pm (so I can relax before bed). What is so important to say that it can't wait to be said the next day? |
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Post by sharon on Jan 30, 2012 5:09:03 GMT -5
Also I experienced all people being one person, in a sort of overlapping simultaneous reincarnation. So at some point we all get to experience what everyone else experiences. Which really made the Golden Rule of "Do unto others as you would wish them to do unto you" solid for me - if I'm going to experience everyone's behaviour from the other side, then my Karmic debt to is automatically balanced. So Freejoy, I'd rather not have to experience your suicide if it's all the same to you. Find something to enjoy in every day, and I'll look forward to living in your shoes. That really is an immense perspective Peter. I've only seen it written in the net once before. It's so crucial, it's impossible to put it down and not pick it back up ... |
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Post by andrew on Jan 30, 2012 11:49:01 GMT -5
So if we put your old dream to one side for a moment, in your ideal scenario are you seeking enlightenment or are you enlightened? And in what way do you want to help people? Help them rob banks? Andrew, you finally got what you wanted out of me. ;D Do you feel better? Truthfully, I don't want to help people. Not "hands on." I want to be the 'cause' of them being helped. Once I was into much self-development. I was riding my bike to work and there was this one house I had to go by. There were young cripple people living there. Once one of them yelled out, "you are ugly!" I know whoever said that was mad and maybe jealous. It was hard to keep riding my bike in front of them. Going around was better, even thou it was longer. Not because they called me a name. There are to many people to help. And I'm one of them that "needs help!" I really don't like being helped either. I like being a helper more than a helpee. I don't even want to define myself as a helper either. I just want to be free! I want to be enlightened and realize it is true that just my consciousness is the best help. ;D Then also I wouldn't mind being the 'cause' of help. Understand? Kind of. So, in your ideal scenario you are enlightened and you are a 'cause' of help through your enlightenment....can you describe to me what you are imagining about the experience of being enlightened that is so good? i.e what is it you are really wanting from that experience that you dont have now? |
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