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Post by therealfake on Jan 29, 2012 19:38:44 GMT -5
Do y'all see where I'm stuck? Sorry, I only see the attention stuck on the 'gorilla' of being stuck. Don't give it anymore banana's and you'll be fine. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 29, 2012 19:40:59 GMT -5
I still see individuals too. It would be a difficult world to function in if we didnt. You put others first out of faith in what? Seems to me also that you only have a few attachments. Sometimes I think its almost as if you are attached to proving that there is no such thing as enlightenment....that the whole thing is a big lie. When we use our eyes to see the world, we see separate things. When we use our vision to see the world, we 'see' ourselves. I understand what you mean, but what I am experiencing is writing this message to you, not writing it to me. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 29, 2012 19:46:44 GMT -5
Do y'all see where I'm stuck? Kind of. Seems to me that you have got some kind of a point to prove about God, or enlightenment, or enlightened people....and the point runs a bit deeper than just the money thing. Im not sure exactly what it is though. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 29, 2012 19:47:11 GMT -5
Thanks nobody, But it appears to me God does not want me to be enlightened. See I've been at this for a very long time. And I no longer see God as a loving thing but as a horrid thing.
Maybe thats the point you want to prove. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 29, 2012 20:21:20 GMT -5
Really... You have done your best?.... How bout you walk out your front door right now, get in the car, and drive to ten places and get ten job applications... Then get a job, and by some books from the enlightened people you are so pissed at for not giving your lazy ass their books for free, and go gift those books to an orphaned or home for the elderly and indigent. The best you can, I disagree, your a lazy whiny F*ck who thinks he knows the right way for people to act but makes zero effort at acting that way himself. Your funny. For one I don't believe in slave labor. I'm sure there is something wrong with me. I carried it to the best this world has suppose to have produced and come out in wrost shape for it. People like me will get healed once their is real love in this world. I sometimes wonder why God will not grant mer enlightenment as much as I have searched. But I prayed very much to do Gods Will and I told God with much fever I wasn't after peace or joy or happiness but his Will. Therefor this must be his use for me. How could it be otherwise? But I feel so let down sometimes from my Dear Wonderful Creator. God is waiting for you to enlighten yourself. So its a stand off. Freejoy vs God. Who is gonna crumble first? There can only be one winner. Part of your difficulty as I see it is that you have the understanding that people are enlightened by 'God's Grace'. So despite doing meditative practices, I think you are essentially using that understanding to wait for God to enlighten you. And this is a problem because it creates an artificial separation between you and God. Somehow you have to close this artificial gap you insist on creating. In my opinion, you would be best off deciding exactly the kind of person you want to be. Your temptation might be to say that you want to be the kind of person that allows God to decide who you should be (or to be the kind of person that does God's will), but again, what that does is create a separation between you and God. YOU decide what kind of person you want to be. Do you want to be a games player? Do you want to be a seeker of enlightenment? Do you want to be the kind of person who is waiting for enlightenment? Do you want to be someone who moans? Do you want to be someone who resents enlightened teachers who earn money? Do you want to be someone who holds grudges against people from the past? If not, what kind of person do you want to be? Again, your ego will robotically tell you to say...'I want to be the kind of person that does God's will'. Its very sneaky because it sounds on the surface to be the right thing to say, but its a pattern of ego that keeps you in separation. Until you decide what YOU want to experience more of in your life, this same old pattern will repeat itself and you will carry on blaming God for withholding enlightenment from you and your separation will continue to be perpetuated. It really is a stand off between you and God yet its very disguised because you say you want to do God's will. The only question is, how long are you prepared to wait before you take responsibility? |
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Post by relinquish on Jan 29, 2012 20:22:33 GMT -5
Suffer, Freejoy. Just suffer.
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2012 20:44:31 GMT -5
So all one has to do to get rid of ego is not act?  Not act in a selfish way. Yes. That's about the closest I can get. The ego wants to control. Ego wants a lot of things. It may even want to deny it's own needs in favor of those of others, because it is more selfless, more kind, more generous, more loving, more spiritual to do so. Ego may suffer in silence and be gripped by immobility. It may condemn itself as unworthy and worthless. It may serve others out of fear and deny itself out of self hate. I don't see how ego can be reduced to an action. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2012 20:50:58 GMT -5
We did not come out of the womb liking and disliking stuff. We were taught. All of us seem to share an aversion to being dangled by our feet and slapped on the butt, though apparently some are taught to 'prefer' it. ;D |
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Post by Beingist on Jan 29, 2012 20:51:32 GMT -5
"Ego is a fiction, created in the mind by circular patterns of thinking based on separation"--Adyashanti Just wanted to throw that in, since we wuz talking about ego, and all.  |
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Post by andrew on Jan 29, 2012 20:53:48 GMT -5
We did not come out of the womb liking and disliking stuff. We were taught. All of us seem to share an aversion to being dangled by our feet and slapped on the butt, though apparently some are taught to 'prefer' it. ;D You picked out exactly the same line in nobody's message that I nearly responded to. Your reply was better than mine was going to be ;D |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2012 20:56:58 GMT -5
Do y'all see where I'm stuck? Sorry, I only see the attention stuck on the 'gorilla' of being stuck. Don't give it anymore banana's and you'll be fine. Sometimes hungry gorillas are even harder to ignore. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2012 21:08:21 GMT -5
Thanks nobody, But it appears to me God does not want me to be enlightened. See I've been at this for a very long time. And I no longer see God as a loving thing but as a horrid thing. It likely sounds just as strange, but I often see God as innocence in self denial. I hear God saying 'No, I cannot be that innocence. Look what I have done.' I heard it when Question posted that starving child image and I hear it in your voice now. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 29, 2012 21:14:13 GMT -5
Doesn't work for what exactly? What is it supposed to "work" for or accomplish? Selflessness is not done in order to make something work for or benefit you, becuase then it's not selfless is it? So again, what do you mean when you say it didn't "work"? Does not produce happiness in illusionary organism any more than not working. I can do more by not working as working. I "use to" could love the unloved more. If books are bought it would only promote the greed of the rich enlightened people, while only making the poor more poor. Being the change you want to see in the world would produce more happiness in the illusionary organism. If you want to see more love, be more loving. If you want to see more giving, be more giving. If you want to see more selflessness, be more selfless. Is there a soup kitchen nearby you could help out in for a while? Or something like that. An animal shelter perhaps? |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2012 21:17:22 GMT -5
Do y'all see where I'm stuck? Kind of. Seems to me that you have got some kind of a point to prove about God, or enlightenment, or enlightened people....and the point runs a bit deeper than just the money thing. Im not sure exactly what it is though. Possibly, FJ knows man's inhumanity to man better than most, and wonders where God is in all of this. Where is the one doing the will of God? If not the one who knows the truth, then who? |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2012 21:21:01 GMT -5
You are just flat ass wrong. hehehe You know very little about me. I'm not mad either. I just know you do not and can not understand. And that is just the way it is. Yes, I am a worst human being sense dealing with enlightened people. I done my best. Really... You have done your best?.... How bout you walk out your front door right now, get in the car, and drive to ten places and get ten job applications... Then get a job, and by some books from the enlightened people you are so pissed at for not giving your lazy ass their books for free, and go gift those books to an orphaned or home for the elderly and indigent. The best you can, I disagree, your a lazy whiny F*ck who thinks he knows the right way for people to act but makes zero effort at acting that way himself. Lordy, no. That's not what I see. You have to look with better eyes. |
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