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Post by backtosource on Oct 6, 2015 23:57:44 GMT -5
Same situation here. Does anyone know if there is anybody out there that teaches with the same directness as John that is available via email or phone? What is it you want to be taught? Ramakant Maharaj - you cannot get more direct! see www.ramakantmaharaj.netsee book 'Selfless Self: Talks With Shri Ramakant Maharaj' Facebook Ramakant Maharaj |
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Post by maxdprophet on Oct 19, 2015 11:19:27 GMT -5
Re:John Wheeler - I have heard from friends at the ashram in Nasik that John Wheeler has just returned from a 2 week stay with Sri Ramakant Maharaj in India. Sri Ramakant is a Self-Realized Master, and direct disciple of Nisargadatta. He spent 20 yrs with him. John Wheeler was initiated into the lineage - Nisargadatta's (Inchegiri Navnath Sampradaya), and took the Naam Mantra from Ramakant. He is now quietly absorbing the teachings with Ramakant Maharaj's new book 'Selfless Self: Talks With Shri Ramakant Maharaj'. Thanks for the update. I'm interested to hear more on JW taking the Naam Mantra. I think of it as a practice to realization of 'Selfless Self' but maybe it's more like a song, or both. |
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Post by backtosource on Oct 29, 2015 7:35:55 GMT -5
Hi max!
The naam mantra is a really useful tool to remind us of our forgotten identity and it helps to erase illusion, all the body knowledge that we have acquired since birth. It is powerful because passed on from Master to Master. Nisargadatta had it from Siddharameshwar, and Ramakant from Nisargadatta - going back 1000 years...
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Post by maxdprophet on Oct 29, 2015 10:09:07 GMT -5
Hi max! The naam mantra is a really useful tool to remind us of our forgotten identity and it helps to erase illusion, all the body knowledge that we have acquired since birth. It is powerful because passed on from Master to Master. Nisargadatta had it from Siddharameshwar, and Ramakant from Nisargadatta - going back 1000 years... Yes I see here: Am I to understand from this that John Wheeler took the naam mantra because he needed to dissolve some of this knowledge? |
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Post by ditto on Oct 30, 2015 2:06:21 GMT -5
Hi max! The naam mantra is a really useful tool to remind us of our forgotten identity and it helps to erase illusion, all the body knowledge that we have acquired since birth. It is powerful because passed on from Master to Master. Nisargadatta had it from Siddharameshwar, and Ramakant from Nisargadatta - going back 1000 years... Do you remember what Nisargadatta said about mantras? Somebody in his group of listeners was concerned with differences between Indians and Westerners. He didn't take sides, but he sorted it out. |
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Post by backtosource on Oct 30, 2015 2:11:52 GMT -5
Don't we all? We all need to dissolve body knowledge.
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Post by backtosource on Oct 30, 2015 2:23:42 GMT -5
re Nis and mantra "The mantra reminds you of your true identity. Your parents gave you a name and called you by that name. Mantra is called Nama, name Mantra calling yourself as you are in Reality. The mantra is very powerful and effective. My Guru gave me this Mantra and the result is all these visitors from all over the world. That shows you its power." from Nothing is Everything book
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Post by zenman on Apr 11, 2016 16:31:47 GMT -5
Re:John Wheeler - I have heard from friends at the ashram in Nasik that John Wheeler has just returned from a 2 week stay with Sri Ramakant Maharaj in India. Sri Ramakant is a Self-Realized Master, and direct disciple of Nisargadatta. He spent 20 yrs with him. John Wheeler was initiated into the lineage - Nisargadatta's (Inchegiri Navnath Sampradaya), and took the Naam Mantra from Ramakant. He is now quietly absorbing the teachings with Ramakant Maharaj's new book 'Selfless Self: Talks With Shri Ramakant Maharaj'. I find this VERY hard to believe. This doesn't sound like something John would ever do. This sounds like it was posted just to advertise that book. |
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Post by spookstreet on Apr 12, 2016 3:44:31 GMT -5
I was really shocked when I heard about it, but I believe it comes from reliable sources ...
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Post by maxdprophet on Apr 12, 2016 8:42:41 GMT -5
Re:John Wheeler - I have heard from friends at the ashram in Nasik that John Wheeler has just returned from a 2 week stay with Sri Ramakant Maharaj in India. Sri Ramakant is a Self-Realized Master, and direct disciple of Nisargadatta. He spent 20 yrs with him. John Wheeler was initiated into the lineage - Nisargadatta's (Inchegiri Navnath Sampradaya), and took the Naam Mantra from Ramakant. He is now quietly absorbing the teachings with Ramakant Maharaj's new book 'Selfless Self: Talks With Shri Ramakant Maharaj'. I find this VERY hard to believe. This doesn't sound like something John would ever do. This sounds like it was posted just to advertise that book. Could be. I found it surprising too. Here're some traces online:
www.pr.com/press-release/642288www.amazon.com/Selfless-Self-Talks-Ramakant-Maharaj/dp/0992875609 |
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Post by cumin on Apr 12, 2016 19:42:21 GMT -5
This kind of reminds me of Andrew Vernon dropping his Ranjit teaching and joining the Greek Orthodox church.
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Post by spookstreet on Apr 13, 2016 2:25:00 GMT -5
I find this VERY hard to believe. This doesn't sound like something John would ever do. This sounds like it was posted just to advertise that book. Could be. I found it surprising too. Here're some traces online: Interesting that, as far as I'm aware, those (and derivatives of them) are the only mentions of this. But, as I said, I did hear it via a verbal source too (friend of a friend of a friend, kind of thing). And he does seem to have altogether disappeared from the public arena. Mind you, he'd put an enormous amount out there already ... |
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Post by zenman on May 5, 2016 14:21:33 GMT -5
Ok, I just researched Ramakant a little bit. I can see JW being into it. He was after all interested in Sailor Bob, another Nisargadatta "disciple". And JW travelled all the way to Australia for SB, so why not go to India to see Ramakant? And the whole "Initiated into the lineage" thing might have been as simple as "hey, you got this?" "Yep, totally got it." "Cool, you're in.".  I hope JW starts hosting groups again! |
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Post by maxdprophet on May 9, 2016 10:45:40 GMT -5
From: Awakening to the Natural State
What keeps us Focused on Thoughts?
Question: Since I composed these questions yesterday, I’ve been able to briefly see them as just thoughts, but they are definitely strong enough to re-appear as reality to a separate me.
John: The key to all this is deeper than seeing that ‘everything is just thoughts’. You need to precede that with an understanding of something solid and positive within you. Telling a man with no sense of something greater available that ‘everything is just a thought’ is pretty much useless. Even if he tries to detach from thought there is nothing really to take its place. So he is bound to continue to cling onto some other manifestation of the mind in the attempt to find some kind of peace or stability.
It is good to have a sense of something clear, steady and positive in the picture. Without this to anchor you and give you something as an alternative to the mind’s concepts, there is not much chance of really letting go of the mind. We cling to the mind and thoughts out of a simple desire to find happiness, obtain security, know what is real, and so on. Attachment to the mind arises because we are not clear on the source of joy and happiness.
Not knowing our true nature, which is peace itself, we have turned to the mind for answers. The mind has provided all kinds of ideas and concepts about who we are and what is the way to peace. It is through ignorance that the innate desire for happiness keeps us focused on thoughts. In discovering our true nature, there is a profound shift of experience because we tap directly into the source of peace , clarity and certitude. Then the focus on the mind naturally falls off.
So, I would ask: How are you doing with understanding your true nature? I am referring to that sense of your presence, which is steady and clear within you. It is also the awareness which is permeating all thoughts, feelings and sensations. It is inherently peaceful and free. As the recognition of this dawns, your experience shifts from spinning in the clouds of thought to a natural abidance in something light and clear in the middle of all your experiences and activities.
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Post by maxdprophet on May 9, 2016 10:57:45 GMT -5
Last from Awakening to the Natural State
In a Nutshell
Basically, there is nothing apart from the presence-awareness that you are right now. All seeking and understanding comes back to the seeing of this. Approaching this involves no time, path or practice. And, contrary to popular belief, there is no deepening or improving. Nor is there any need for awakening or embodying. What you are is fully present and awake now. Since there is no individual, as such, there is no one who needs to embody anything or bring the understanding into life. There is nothing to surrender or let go of because there is really no one or nothing present who can do any such thing. It is just a simple recognition of the obvious that was overlooked. That is about it in a nutshell.
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