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Post by mason on Jun 27, 2014 6:04:33 GMT -5
I, too, am disappointed that John has "disappeared". He has been very attentive in emailing me on and off for many years. I did not contact him for a couple of months recently and the when I did his email was no longer valid. He spent so much time trying to communicate this to me and now when I'm finally starting to really get it I can't share it with him. Just feels a little sad and there are no other teachers I am interested in. I guess it is for the best - he set me on the right path and now it is up to me to finish it out. Same situation here. Does anyone know if there is anybody out there that teaches with the same directness as John that is available via email or phone? |
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Post by silence on Jun 27, 2014 15:34:44 GMT -5
I, too, am disappointed that John has "disappeared". He has been very attentive in emailing me on and off for many years. I did not contact him for a couple of months recently and the when I did his email was no longer valid. He spent so much time trying to communicate this to me and now when I'm finally starting to really get it I can't share it with him. Just feels a little sad and there are no other teachers I am interested in. I guess it is for the best - he set me on the right path and now it is up to me to finish it out. Same situation here. Does anyone know if there is anybody out there that teaches with the same directness as John that is available via email or phone? What is it you want to be taught? |
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Post by mason on Jun 28, 2014 13:49:08 GMT -5
Same situation here. Does anyone know if there is anybody out there that teaches with the same directness as John that is available via email or phone? What is it you want to be taught? I know what you are getting at, but we could answer every single post on this site with those kind of "cutesy" remarks. Just was curious if there was someone like Wheeler out there talking about this stuff. Thank you. |
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Post by silence on Jun 28, 2014 18:40:42 GMT -5
What is it you want to be taught? I know what you are getting at, but we could answer every single post on this site with those kind of "cutesy" remarks. Just was curious if there was someone like Wheeler out there talking about this stuff. Thank you. I'm not trying to be cutesy. In fact, you asked for directness but obviously do not want that. What is "this stuff"? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 10:22:12 GMT -5
This is the interview Annette Nibley did with John Wheeler. David Bingham refers to it as pivotal for him.
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Post by mason on Jul 11, 2014 11:54:04 GMT -5
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it.
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Post by adambrunt on Aug 1, 2014 0:45:20 GMT -5
Hi mason,
My name is Adam Brunt. I am the person that posted that video of John's interview on youtube and have emailed John quite a lot. I still have all of my correspondence if you would ever like to read it. I emailed John in three phases over the course of about a year and then eventually had a tapering off of communication with him. So, in total well over a 100 emails between us. What a great guy! I couldn't have found a better person to guide me through the weeds. He answered all of my questions and I effectively quick seeking, so maybe there is something in those messages that could point you to what you need to see. If you have any questions I would be happy to help out.
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Post by mason on Aug 1, 2014 10:57:42 GMT -5
Thank you for that, I really appreciate it! I just sent you a private message with my email address.
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Post by u on Aug 7, 2014 15:49:06 GMT -5
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Post by maxdprophet on Aug 25, 2015 10:09:53 GMT -5
"The bottom line is that you are that presence or awareness now. When you first get exposed to this, the mind and all the concepts want to rush in with ‘What if?’ and ‘But ...’ and so on. Then you are pointed back again and again to the fact of your own being. Through force of habit, we instinctively look to the thoughts as a gauge of where we are, but it is looking in the wrong direction. Thoughts appear in awareness, which is what you really are and always have been. It is like being above the clouds and then looking down at the clouds searching for the sun. You say, ‘Look at all the clouds. They keep arising. Where is the sun?’ But if you turn around, you notice that the sun is behind you, and it is illuminating the clouds. It is even that which is allowing you to see them. The sun really has nothing to do with the appearance or configuration of the clouds. It is a subtle shift, but has profound effects. We have been looking in the wrong direction, and this can be quickly remedied once this gets pointed out. It is not really anything you need to practice. You just notice it. The answer is not in the mind.
"If you ask most people to look across the room and say what they see, they will usually name the various objects. Few will say they notice the space. But once this is pointed out, you notice that everything takes place in space. It is the same with awareness. Once you get a feel for it, the center of gravity starts to shift from fixating on the thoughts to just relaxing into your true being of self-knowing awareness.
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Chapter 14: Thinking versus Knowing Who We Are
'Awakening To The Natural State'
John Wheeler
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Post by maxdprophet on Aug 25, 2015 10:22:39 GMT -5
"“See all suffering, doubts, questions, problems, issues, imagined attainments and losses as movements in the mind. The are all thought generated. Apart from thoughts, those things have no existence whatsoever. Nail this insight completely. Do not move from this until it is absolutely clear. There is nothing wrong with the body, mind, world or other people at any time. Fighting with those things is completely futile. All problems are the mind’s labels, judgments and interpretations. We must see that all problems are sustained and created by the mind which is fabricating them. That is one aspect. Believing the thoughts to be true is where the real bondage arises, because if you do not believe them, they have no power. But first you need to clearly see what you are dealing with—thoughts, pure and simple.”
~ John Wheeler, Right Here, Right Now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 11:10:18 GMT -5
"“See all suffering, doubts, questions, problems, issues, imagined attainments and losses as movements in the mind. The are all thought generated. Apart from thoughts, those things have no existence whatsoever. Nail this insight completely. Do not move from this until it is absolutely clear. There is nothing wrong with the body, mind, world or other people at any time. Fighting with those things is completely futile. All problems are the mind’s labels, judgments and interpretations. We must see that all problems are sustained and created by the mind which is fabricating them. That is one aspect. Believing the thoughts to be true is where the real bondage arises, because if you do not believe them, they have no power. But first you need to clearly see what you are dealing with—thoughts, pure and simple.” ~ John Wheeler, Right Here, Right Now. bravo john wheeler then  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 4:40:36 GMT -5
"Basically, there is nothing apart from the presence-awareness that you are right now. All seeking and understanding comes back to the seeing of this. Approaching this involves no time, path or practice. And, contrary to popular belief, there is no deepening or improving. Nor is there any need for awakening or embodying. What you are is fully present or awake now. Since there is no individual, as such, there is no one who needs to embody anything or bring the understanding into life. There is nothing to surrender or let go of because there is really no one or nothing present who can do any such thing. It is just a simple recognition of the obvious that was overlooked. That is about it in a nutshell."
John Wheeler, Awakening to the Natural State
I've not come across anyone (other than the late great Nathan Gill) who could articulate with the simplicity and clarity of John Wheeler.
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Post by maxdprophet on Aug 27, 2015 7:43:37 GMT -5
"Basically, there is nothing apart from the presence-awareness that you are right now. All seeking and understanding comes back to the seeing of this. Approaching this involves no time, path or practice. And, contrary to popular belief, there is no deepening or improving. Nor is there any need for awakening or embodying. What you are is fully present or awake now. Since there is no individual, as such, there is no one who needs to embody anything or bring the understanding into life. There is nothing to surrender or let go of because there is really no one or nothing present who can do any such thing. It is just a simple recognition of the obvious that was overlooked. That is about it in a nutshell." John Wheeler, Awakening to the Natural State I've not come across anyone (other than the late great Nathan Gill) who could articulate with the simplicity and clarity of John Wheeler. Yes I agree. Do you have some Nathan Gill you could share? Bumping a previous Gill thread.... |
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Post by backtosource on Oct 6, 2015 23:49:28 GMT -5
Re:John Wheeler - I have heard from friends at the ashram in Nasik that John Wheeler has just returned from a 2 week stay with Sri Ramakant Maharaj in India. Sri Ramakant is a Self-Realized Master, and direct disciple of Nisargadatta. He spent 20 yrs with him. John Wheeler was initiated into the lineage - Nisargadatta's (Inchegiri Navnath Sampradaya), and took the Naam Mantra from Ramakant. He is now quietly absorbing the teachings with Ramakant Maharaj's new book 'Selfless Self: Talks With Shri Ramakant Maharaj'.
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