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Post by sethie on Jan 2, 2014 19:46:46 GMT -5
Ramana Maharshi said there are three classes of spiritual aspirants:
1) Those who upon hearing the truth instantly and effortlessly awaken.
2) Those who need to reflect a little upon the truth in order to awaken
3) Those who require years of arduous practices to awaken.
For the #1's and #2's - John Wheeler is a Godsend.
For the #3's- he is a Spiritual Trainwreck, as all most other Neo-Advaitian's, of the "there is nothing to do" variety.
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Post by ditto on Jan 26, 2014 3:20:04 GMT -5
"Ramana Maharshi said there are three classes of spiritual aspirants: 1) Those who upon hearing the truth instantly and effortlessly awaken. 2) Those who need to reflect a little upon the truth in order to awaken 3) Those who require years of arduous practices to awaken. For the #1's and #2's - John Wheeler is a Godsend. For the #3's- he is a Spiritual Trainwreck, as all most other Neo-Advaitian's, of the "there is nothing to do" variety." Possibly. But who would you say *is* useful for the #3's? |
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Post by riennipersonne on Jan 29, 2014 0:50:40 GMT -5
.... It is not subject/object knowledge, nor is it mental or conceptual. It is not even an experience. That is bloody f... right !  "Rien (nothing) Ni (nor) Personne (nobody) ! Not a concept! Not an experience!  |
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Post by riennipersonne on Jan 29, 2014 12:21:50 GMT -5
...Keep in mind that “nothing” does not exist. There is no such thing as “nothing”. So, in understanding what “nothing” is, you transcend it, and there remains something that is not negated. (To speak accurately, what remains is neither “something” nor “nothing”, but words can only point, so we must make due.) Beware not to fall in the hole you dig  Xactly ! "nothing" is nor "something" nor "nothing". Nothing is not "something that is not" and cannot be kept in mind.. as you rightly often point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 12:32:47 GMT -5
...Keep in mind that “nothing” does not exist. There is no such thing as “nothing”. So, in understanding what “nothing” is, you transcend it, and there remains something that is not negated. (To speak accurately, what remains is neither “something” nor “nothing”, but words can only point, so we must make due.) Beware not to fall in the hole you dig Xactly ! "nothing" is nor "something" nor "nothing". Nothing is not "something that is not" and cannot be kept in mind.. as you rightly often point. To be clear: "you" = John Wheeler. I'm just quoting his stuff. More at thenaturalstate.info. Currently: It's amazing -- his stuff is usually highly relevant to what I'm thinking about at present. The above is no exception. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 12:37:17 GMT -5
Ramana Maharshi said there are three classes of spiritual aspirants: 1) Those who upon hearing the truth instantly and effortlessly awaken. 2) Those who need to reflect a little upon the truth in order to awaken 3) Those who require years of arduous practices to awaken. For the #1's and #2's - John Wheeler is a Godsend. For the #3's- he is a Spiritual Trainwreck, as all most other Neo-Advaitian's, of the "there is nothing to do" variety. I don't seem to fit in any of those groupings. I've tried #3 and #2 and obviously missed out on #1. Maybe I'm just not being arduous enough! Or maybe my reflections aren't clear enough. |
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Post by ditto on Jan 29, 2014 23:54:37 GMT -5
Maybe you're in a fourth category that Ramana didn't mention. I mean, he was categorizing only those people who awaken, right? Anyway, I'm not going to sweat it. Ramana didn't seem to fall into any of those categories himself, and he awakened. Unless his adolescent contemplation of his own death falls into category 1.
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Post by riennipersonne on Feb 1, 2014 0:48:00 GMT -5
It's amazing -- his stuff is usually highly relevant to what I'm thinking about at present. The above is no exception. Highly relevant, indeed! |
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Post by silence on Feb 1, 2014 1:36:38 GMT -5
Ramana Maharshi said there are three classes of spiritual aspirants: 1) Those who upon hearing the truth instantly and effortlessly awaken. 2) Those who need to reflect a little upon the truth in order to awaken 3) Those who require years of arduous practices to awaken. For the #1's and #2's - John Wheeler is a Godsend. For the #3's- he is a Spiritual Trainwreck, as all most other Neo-Advaitian's, of the "there is nothing to do" variety. I don't seem to fit in any of those groupings. I've tried #3 and #2 and obviously missed out on #1. Maybe I'm just not being arduous enough! Or maybe my reflections aren't clear enough. Are you a spiritual aspirant?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 15:18:55 GMT -5
I don't seem to fit in any of those groupings. I've tried #3 and #2 and obviously missed out on #1. Maybe I'm just not being arduous enough! Or maybe my reflections aren't clear enough. Are you a spiritual aspirant? By jove I think you're on to something there! Spiritual Aspirant sounds like something you might wipe in the armpits. Patchoulli is popular, but the really hardcore go Odorless or "Natural." |
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Post by silence on Feb 1, 2014 19:27:25 GMT -5
Are you a spiritual aspirant? By jove I think you're on to something there! Spiritual Aspirant sounds like something you might wipe in the armpits. Patchoulli is popular, but the really hardcore go Odorless or "Natural." Heh, If the situation is just brought down to the level of common terminology and out of vague territory, what's it all about? Are you just wishing you had a really cool experience to talk about? Is it deeper than that? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 19:50:22 GMT -5
By jove I think you're on to something there! Spiritual Aspirant sounds like something you might wipe in the armpits. Patchoulli is popular, but the really hardcore go Odorless or "Natural." Heh, If the situation is just brought down to the level of common terminology and out of vague territory, what's it all about? Are you just wishing you had a really cool experience to talk about? Is it deeper than that? You've asked me that before. It's a good question. It's clearly not just procrastination, because I could be watching Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs 2 right now but opted to see what the current tempest in a teakettle is here. There is a certain amount of awe driving the show. I read and listen and wonder how folks can say that stuff? Where is that coming from? I felt the same way sitting in first grade, listening with awe at my schoolmates bantering on about this and that. Where is that coming from? Basically dumbstruck. Let me be an instrument of Thy peace. I've always liked the sentiment in that. Not for the Peace part as much as for the idea that one can give oneself over to being the vehicle for expression that comes from elsewhere. |
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Post by silence on Feb 2, 2014 1:40:39 GMT -5
Heh, If the situation is just brought down to the level of common terminology and out of vague territory, what's it all about? Are you just wishing you had a really cool experience to talk about? Is it deeper than that? You've asked me that before. It's a good question. It's clearly not just procrastination, because I could be watching Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs 2 right now but opted to see what the current tempest in a teakettle is here. There is a certain amount of awe driving the show. I read and listen and wonder how folks can say that stuff? Where is that coming from? I felt the same way sitting in first grade, listening with awe at my schoolmates bantering on about this and that. Where is that coming from? Basically dumbstruck. Let me be an instrument of Thy peace. I've always liked the sentiment in that. Not for the Peace part as much as for the idea that one can give oneself over to being the vehicle for expression that comes from elsewhere. You're in awe of their awe. The same thing is happening to those you wonder about. Something is expressing itself that they can not explain. I can't explain it either. Whether you want to call it consciousness or nothing more than the harmonious functioning of the human body as UG did, it doesn't matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 12:58:02 GMT -5
You've asked me that before. It's a good question. It's clearly not just procrastination, because I could be watching Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs 2 right now but opted to see what the current tempest in a teakettle is here. There is a certain amount of awe driving the show. I read and listen and wonder how folks can say that stuff? Where is that coming from? I felt the same way sitting in first grade, listening with awe at my schoolmates bantering on about this and that. Where is that coming from? Basically dumbstruck. Let me be an instrument of Thy peace. I've always liked the sentiment in that. Not for the Peace part as much as for the idea that one can give oneself over to being the vehicle for expression that comes from elsewhere. You're in awe of their awe. The same thing is happening to those you wonder about. Something is expressing itself that they can not explain. I can't explain it either. Whether you want to call it consciousness or nothing more than the harmonious functioning of the human body as UG did, it doesn't matter. On my end it's more like awe combined with "why doesn't any of that honey drip from my tongue?" or something. |
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Post by silence on Feb 5, 2014 0:53:17 GMT -5
You're in awe of their awe. The same thing is happening to those you wonder about. Something is expressing itself that they can not explain. I can't explain it either. Whether you want to call it consciousness or nothing more than the harmonious functioning of the human body as UG did, it doesn't matter. On my end it's more like awe combined with "why doesn't any of that honey drip from my tongue?" or something. Jealousy? |
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"Rien (nothing) Ni (nor) Personne (nobody) ! Not a concept! Not an experience! 
