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Post by andrew on May 13, 2012 12:42:50 GMT -5
From what I saw of RT, and having met a couple of your crew on another forum, RT illustrated the nature of 'programming' quite well, though I consider it more likely that those that walked away somewhat disillusioned, and without having achieved the liberated title, got more out of the RT process than those who bought into the title. What I will say is that even those who gained the title have probably had some valuable insights in the process, however my suspicion is that some more disillusionment (and further de-programming) might be helpful. So the question is how deep does the programming go? How far is the separate sense of self able to direct and guide human behaviour, beliefs, perceptions. Awareness of all this programming, seeing the programming for what it is, is also the seeing of seeing itself, or awareness itself. When you stand apart from everything you once thought yourself to be, then you can stand alone, as the very awareness that is aware. And that, my dear Andrew, is the end of the road, ruthless or not! ;D Hi SP, Im not to sure about this...I'm not overly resonant with the idea of the 'end of a road', but even if I go with that idea, the idea of 'standing apart' from anything doesnt sound like it would be that end. |
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Post by simplepresence on May 13, 2012 13:39:46 GMT -5
So the question is how deep does the programming go? How far is the separate sense of self able to direct and guide human behaviour, beliefs, perceptions. Awareness of all this programming, seeing the programming for what it is, is also the seeing of seeing itself, or awareness itself. When you stand apart from everything you once thought yourself to be, then you can stand alone, as the very awareness that is aware. And that, my dear Andrew, is the end of the road, ruthless or not! ;D Hi SP, Im not to sure about this...I'm not overly resonant with the idea of the 'end of a road', but even if I go with that idea, the idea of 'standing apart' from anything doesnt sound like it would be that end. i think the idea Andrew, is to not go with any idea, but to just be what already is, the awareness in which this post is appearing in/as this is not some major feat or insight it's simply what is ;D |
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Post by andrew on May 13, 2012 13:41:33 GMT -5
Hi SP, Im not to sure about this...I'm not overly resonant with the idea of the 'end of a road', but even if I go with that idea, the idea of 'standing apart' from anything doesnt sound like it would be that end. i think the idea Andrew, is to not go with any idea, but to just be what already is, the awareness in which this post is appearing in/as this is not some major feat or insight it's simply what is ;D Ive got to go with the ideas you are presenting in order to communicate with you. Do you see yourself as the awareness in which this post is appearing in/as, and not the post itself? |
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Post by simplepresence on May 13, 2012 21:10:50 GMT -5
i think the idea Andrew, is to not go with any idea, but to just be what already is, the awareness in which this post is appearing in/as this is not some major feat or insight it's simply what is ;D Ive got to go with the ideas you are presenting in order to communicate with you. Do you see yourself as the awareness in which this post is appearing in/as, and not the post itself? of course i'm both, but i notice that the awareness is much more permanent, i even notice that my whole life unfolds in this awareness, so yes the post is an intricate part of awareness, but so is continuous change from moment to moment in the appearance of the present moment but never in it's nature as awareness what do you think? |
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Post by andrew on May 14, 2012 2:46:16 GMT -5
Ive got to go with the ideas you are presenting in order to communicate with you. Do you see yourself as the awareness in which this post is appearing in/as, and not the post itself? of course i'm both, but i notice that the awareness is much more permanent, i even notice that my whole life unfolds in this awareness, so yes the post is an intricate part of awareness, but so is continuous change from moment to moment in the appearance of the present moment but never in it's nature as awareness what do you think? I think I understand what you are saying. Personally, I dont give a whole lot of attention to the contrast between what seems to be permanent and what seems to be changing, but then its different horses for different courses. |
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Post by Peter on Jun 15, 2012 0:26:04 GMT -5
Hi Stepvhen Why did the Ruthless Truth forum close? In a nutshell? I've read what Ciaran said in the blog entry that you now get redirected to: ruthlesstruthdotcom.blogspot.fr/2011/11/i-quit.html...but it didn't really answer the question. Did Ciaran get disillusioned that people weren't falling on their swords in self sacrifice at his feet? I have to say that - from where I'm sitting - it looks like that guy still had a (un)healthy ego alive and kicking. |
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Post by topology on Jun 15, 2012 10:42:32 GMT -5
I was at another forum when some guys from RT did their forum invasion schtick and you could smell the programming on them a mile away. The use of abuse to reprogram others into carbon copies is just not appealing to me.
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Post by stepvhen on Jun 16, 2012 11:50:39 GMT -5
Hi Stepvhen Why did the Ruthless Truth forum close? In a nutshell? I've read what Ciaran said in the blog entry that you now get redirected to: ruthlesstruthdotcom.blogspot.fr/2011/11/i-quit.html...but it didn't really answer the question. Did Ciaran get disillusioned that people weren't falling on their swords in self sacrifice at his feet? I have to say that - from where I'm sitting - it looks like that guy still had a (un)healthy ego alive and kicking. He had an ego. He transcended self not ego. Big difference. You cannot not have an ego. Many teachers have positive ones, he didn't. I was in the middle east when the forum fell. RT had been closed. the Vanguard (the group that came together to make RT had been disbanded). A company named profound freedom had been established in it's wake, the link can be found here. blitzblick.com/In short. I got an email saying Ciaran had broken rank. The new company was disbanded and all our online resources (but the blog roll) had been locked down. The surviving members decided to take some time off to consider options. On the 15th of October 2011, www.truthstrike.com went live. Truth Strike Manifesto: www.burningtrue.com/p/truth-strike.htmlUnder that banner the Vanguard reformed and we've ben working through truth strike since. Ciaran is gone. He broke rank, with him went the unbalanced aggression that had been the hallmark of RT. What were his exact reasons for leaving? I don't know. I'm not sure it matters. What matters is he deserted. He broke rank. Ruthless truth died because the group behind it's success, the Vanguard were disbanded. Without that group of individuals Profound Freedom never stood a chance. There is a group of members in www.truthstrike.com who headed the Vanguard, the fall of RT and the mis-firing of ProFree. Lifer's . People who have dedicated their lives to helping people to realize their own freedom. That's what's left. The ruthless remnant reformed as Truth Strike and under that banner the Vanguard have banded together once again. |
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Post by topology on Jun 16, 2012 12:27:42 GMT -5
I didn't know enlightened people had "rank".
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Post by stepvhen on Jun 17, 2012 7:32:42 GMT -5
I didn't know enlightened people had "rank". Didn't know you were an expert on something that you aren't |
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