Ruthless Truth

[stepvhen]

ruthlesstruth.com/arena/

These guys have managed to liberate 73 people in just over 3 months if even that, pretty intense. My first post here too, hi everyone.

I got my won blog if anyone is interested in learning more ;D

burningtruedotcom.blogspot.com/

[m]

Marketing ?

[michaelsees]

This is nuts not worth a dime IMO. It's a take off of the Landmark forum and EST.
I had to laugh they even have a section on their site where They confirm that you are enlighten of course without money you will stay unenlightened he he

Anyhow this belongs in the Marketing section now you should have known better stepvhen
as you are on of the enlighten
Thanks though for the good laugh it is funny
Michael

[question]

M and Michaelsees, I didn't notice anything involving money on that site. The group seems serious to me, but their definition of liberation is very strange. While browsing I read numerous times that it's an intellectual and logical understanding of no-self, which merely requires 10min of some hard thinking. If those are the criteria and if that's the definition of liberation then it's not surprising that the group is so succesfull.

[m]

Question: For me "Marketing" has to do with trade, exchange attitude which does'nt necesserally involve money: " if you give me this, then I give you that". It has to do with"products" (whatever the product !), it is "outcome" oriented " and "ego benefit" minded. ( I'am not too sure of my english here).
I was just wondering... And there may be a huge cultural difference between US people and European (specially french) on this topic of "business & spirituality"..

Michaelsees: Thank you for the information

m

[zendancer]

Question: You did better than I did. I couldn't make heads or tails of what they were saying, but I didn't see anything about money. If money is involved, let me know and we'll send it to the marketing section.

[michaelsees]

M did a perfect job explaining to everyone here believe it I will eat all my VoDoo dolls is that group does not have some end products,
Read what m wrote again

Thanks m
good job
Michael

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I engaged with RT for a while. Not a single mention of money anytime, but appreciate the skepticism very much. Actually, it's the only site i've been to that offers one-on-one interaction in these matters for free and with easy access.

I do think Stepvhen's initial post probably falls into marketing in the sense that he just dropped some links and didn't offer much else. But I wouldn't relegate it to the marketing forum because now I want to discuss it :-)

RT was started by this fellow Ciaran Healy who had a truth-realization experience a few months ago. He 'enlightened' 7 people shortly after that mostly through online interactions (Facebook). He started the RT forum to keep it spreading. 73 is now the claim. whatever, it's just letters and numbers.

The method is mainly to help people see the truth that there is no you (I me we self ego..) through online dialogue and sharing of how other people are doing this. Mr. Healy came at it from a philosophical angle -- thinking about the Cogito. Read his Thunder and Sunshine ruthlesstruthdotcom.blogspot.com/2010/10/thunder-and-sunshine.html blog entry for his whole story.

The forum has two main areas -- the duelling ground and the pit. The former is a place where two people can interact. the pit is total anarchy. there's also a Hall of Fame area which shows nice duels of the past. A duel ends when one person disappears from the forum or is 'enlightened.'

one other thing about method. since the objective is to help people share the truth, anything goes in terms of communication. lots of epithets, swear words, all caps, etc. are used. the objective is not to make friends but to test whether something is true or not. Mr. Healy probably takes the cake in that form of communication.

the demographic tends to be young and male, as far as i can tell, with lots of comfort using blogs, facebook, twitter, video games and other web 2.0 things.

you can tell by my use of scare quotes that i am wary of how language is used at the site -- especially the tag enlightened or liberated, etc.

Stepvhen has written some excellent blog posts in the Jed Mckenna tradition.

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one more thing. the stuff that happens in the forum and the pit seems like a sort of spiritual autolysis with extra help.

the RT forums have been LOCKED for a few days and probably for the duration of the week.

[michaelsees]

Max

Thank you for the more detailed summary. But here's the problem I see.
All you are doing is to bring a person to a clear intellectual understand that their is no you.
This is certainly not even close to a enlighten state. By the way no one can be enlighten because in truth there is no such thing as a person to become enlighten. But that aside the whole forum is misleading people about what being awake/awaken is all about. I assure you the intellect part of no you has almost nothing to do with it. Your not the only ones many of the neo-advaita teachers teach the same thing and are also misleading.

Michael

[m]

I remember, I red somewhere the interview of one of the first "american enlightened guru".I forgot his name . He was a rock'n roll musician I guess. That was years back. The journalist asked him " How do you know if some of your pupils is enlightened or not?" He just answered: " I dunno, I just wait." I found that very wise.
m

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Nov 30, 2010 13:34:30 GMT -5 @michaelsees said:

Max

Thank you for the more detailed summary. But here's the problem I see.
All you are doing is to bring a person to a clear intellectual understand that their is no you.
This is certainly not even close to a enlighten state. By the way no one can be enlighten because in truth there is no such thing as a person to become enlighten. But that aside the whole forum is misleading people about what being awake/awaken is all about. I assure you the intellect part of no you has almost nothing to do with it. Your not the only ones many of the neo-advaita teachers teach the same thing and are also misleading.

Michael

i have no problem agreeing with everything you said but the part about including 'me' in the you you speak of. :-)

i agree that it's misleading. if someone who is annointed at RT as enlightened actually thinks they are, that's their thing. BTW, if you then go on to 'liberate' someone by helping them see the truth of no-you, you then get a 'liberator' badge with a red color. (brown gives posting rights, green newbie, blue enlightened, red liberator -- LOL. It's absurd but to be fair, the colors are used to help identify quickly who should be destroyed ;-)

but it's not a place without value. for me, it helped me understand the no-you piece in the same way that douglas harding did. it also deepened my understanding of spiritual autolysis.

[michaelsees]

Sorry about that sometimes I use "you" inappropriately however the more "you" post the funnier it gets. Max you really need to understand something here. Any one can see the truth it's right there to see but and it's a big but seeing is all you get it is not a awakening just because you can see their is no you. When you see anything you are using the mind, the brain etc To be truly awaken you are not in the mind at all or the brain. The only thing this group does and gives a badge for it no less is to share the "secret" In other words it's exactly like sharing a secret to a magic act so you now know how it works. This Max is not being enlighten, awaken or whatever you wish to call it.

Michael

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Nov 30, 2010 15:21:06 GMT -5 @michaelsees said:

.... This Max is not being enlighten, awaken or whatever you wish to call it.

Michael

gosh, not even magic-trick-secret-seer?

Is the magic trick of the delusion of the self, and the unveiling of the secret of that trick, as you put it, really that insignificant?

[michaelsees]

Max

Yes it is what you are doing is trapping yourself in a intellectual jail once there you probably will stay there and not progress.

michael