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Post by stepvhen on Dec 12, 2011 18:54:51 GMT -5
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Post by tathagata on Dec 12, 2011 19:45:17 GMT -5
Tell me about your "liberating" methods Please stevphen?
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Post by stepvhen on Dec 12, 2011 20:02:06 GMT -5
Depends on the person. Where they are what they're unique blockage is ya know?
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Post by tathagata on Dec 12, 2011 22:32:48 GMT -5
Yep
How does one go about wasting there life?
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Post by tathagata on Dec 12, 2011 22:34:35 GMT -5
And what defines what one "should" or should not be doing?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 7:56:30 GMT -5
Yep How does one go about wasting there life? I know! it's confusing... In any case, this thread can be relegated to the dustbin of marketing history. Question: You did better than I did. I couldn't make heads or tails of what they were saying, but I didn't see anything about money. If money is involved, let me know and we'll send it to the marketing section. both the original poster and the title of the thread now refer to fee-for-service sites. |
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Post by tomas on Dec 13, 2011 11:43:21 GMT -5
The teachings are given freely, without expectation of return. From Wikipedia:
"Buddhists believe that giving without seeking anything in return leads to greater spiritual wealth. Moreover, it reduces the acquisitive impulses that ultimately lead to continued dukkha."
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Post by stepvhen on Dec 13, 2011 12:12:38 GMT -5
So far, we got a piss poor interpretation of a weak minded belief from wikipedia. A self important know it all and a failed attempt at a free human being, all masturbating furiously over the idea that they can spend the rest of their lives in mediocrity and still consider themselves to be something more than total human failures.....
God bless the internet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2011 12:50:49 GMT -5
just wanted to save this for posterity's sake.
stephven of the professional burningtrue and truthstrike opines the following:
an apt souvenir.
good luck with your endeavors, stepvhen. i wish you well.
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Post by babaguy on Dec 14, 2011 2:44:08 GMT -5
On its surface, it would appear that if the ruthless truth world Plan was even slightly successful you would have an army of people who had effectively turned them selves Into sociopaths. Intellectual agreement that nothing exists is just that, intellectual agreement that there is no self and that nothing exists...this is not enlightenment, it is the trading of one thought paradigm for another, only the new one doesn't require any kind of holding to any type of social morass. When someone is truly enlightened and living in this moment right action that is harmonious with the flow of existence flows. Otherwise you end up with an army of intellectually liberated people, many of whom will develop sociopathic tendencies.
Excellent job and of course it's so darn obvious what RT does.
Nice to have some simple clarity.
However one also needs to be careful when sincere neo-advatins have a few deep experiences and feel totally liberated.
Peace out
Babaguy
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Post by angela on Dec 14, 2011 11:38:16 GMT -5
i love when people who are already on this board create a new account so they can add a post to a thread and stay hidden. truth, anyone?  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2011 14:03:27 GMT -5
Tat, I’m not sure I entirely agree with you on your assessment of RT methods. Basically, methinks it can be put in the ‘your mileage may vary’ category. I don’t think it is necessarily just an intellectual understanding or exercise, though maybe some folks stop there. In my experience, it can not be categorized in that way. Seeing that there actually isn’t any personal self in there running the show is not just something one can agree with. It is experiential as well.
I don’t, however, think that experience or realization or whatever, can be equated with liberation or enlightenment. That seems to be overstating it quite a bit. Of course, maybe it tips the scales for someone – hence, your results may vary.
In the case of Stepvhen and ciaran and maxdprophet/pyrrho, I don’t see it having much of a visible impact in terms of ego expression. It seems like seeing no-self would lighten the load a bit with respect to that expression, but nope.
I like your introduction of the concept that mebbe it creates a bunch of sociopaths. However, my bet is that first there were sociopaths, then there were no sociopaths, then there were sociopaths.
Also, I do agree that the bullying thing has some relationship to this all. My take is that it contributes to the feeling of some Big experience, like hazing. So when you finally see and express the experience of seeing no self, that hazing also discontinues and there is some relief, etc. That relief, and post-hazing experience could be misconstrued as liberation (just using that word makes me uncomfortable).
But this same method is being used without the bullying/hazing aspect over at the sister site. Liberations are claimed. However, there is internal debate over what the no-self realization means – they’re more open to discussing it.
Anyhoo, I think it’s a mistake to just chalk this stuff up as sociopathic cult stuff. It’s a bit more interesting, even though some of the personalities involved can be boorish.
But I do think the continuation of this thread is fitting into a basic marketing scheme, and I am really guilty of promulgating that, and hesitate to even post this here. I do think zendancer should re-file this whole thread now that both stepvhen and ciaran are doing pay-per-service.
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Post by zendancer on Dec 14, 2011 19:54:37 GMT -5
Tat: I don't think you'll have much luck interacting with the RT folks because their cups are full, but good luck anyway. They all calibrate at 1000 or more, so I doubt they'd listen to anyone whose don't-know mind can't be calibrated. LOL. Apparently they are now charging money, so this thread will soon be shifted to the marketing section.
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Post by babaguy on Dec 14, 2011 22:23:18 GMT -5
LOL! Actually I have been a lurker for months.(no membership required) I do prefer to lurk on this board. You have way too much drama here and little truth to get tooooo involved. peace babaguy i love when people who are already on this board create a new account so they can add a post to a thread and stay hidden. truth, anyone? |
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Post by nobody on Dec 15, 2011 19:43:17 GMT -5
careful angela, you might poke someones eye out!
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