Ruthless Truth

[lolly]

What strikes me is the extreme dogma involved with these definitions of 'there is' and 'there is not', but of course it's about looking to see for yourself... There is looking. Of that there seems to be no doubt.

Ruthless Truth is an extreme dogma, just look at the actual name, and since the grand design of 'industralized enlightenment' has appantly fallen short and the organization/institution disbanded, I reflect on the speech entitled 'The Truth is a Pathless Land' by Jiddu Krishnamurti'.

"I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organised; nor should any organisation be formed to lead or coerce people"

bernie.cncfamily.com/k_pathless.htm

[nobody]

That's a cool article lolly. I didn't know that JK was brought up to be some type of cult leader. I think it's really cool how he tore the whole thing down. I wonder what his followers thought when he made that speech.

He is right. There's a lot of talk going on, but nobody is really willing to think and look for themselves. This a conclusion based on the observations of my own mind and seeing what others are doing (or not doing) in the various number of spiritual circles.

[stepvhen]

Yap yap yap yap.

Look ladies. I've achieved this pristine knowledge thing you all rub your nuts over.
It's simply my life now. You jelly?

You'll never see it. I'm 100% sure that not one of you here will ever see it.
Ever.

See what you are all missing is the point that ego stops being ego when you are liberated.
It doesn't go away, but it can reconnect with the source, and no, the source isn't "god" from where I stand there is no god to be seen anywhere. There is absolutely nothing.

I'm being authentic here, my "ego" is being used to give voice to my authentic desire to laugh at you people.


You're stuck in some cartesian dreamworld where dissolving the ego is expected to merge the inner and the outer....

You have no idea how remedial that is.

How wrong that is.


How very very far you have been lead astray.

Ego is not the problem because ego was never ego... How could it be.... That should SHOULD be obvious to you.

You don't transcend the ego.

This is Hotel California, you can check out anytime you like and you can NEVER leave.

You haven't checked out.
You are gazing out the window of this hotel telling yourself you've left....

The egoless ego, the cageless cage.

For some of you the desire to break out of your cage is your cage, for others the thought that you have already broken out is your cage, for those left, the idea that you can't break out is your cage.

All of you are caged though.

And that's the bottom line.

Not me.

When I speak, you are seeing authentic human drive expressed via ego, in the service of true human desire.

When you speak I see ego as expressed via ego, in the service of ego.

The'se words don't demonstrate "ego" these words are ego personified, the view I'm offering the emotional reaction I'm eliciting is ego in it's only useful state, in service to human agency.

You people can not speak with this level of authenticity because you people think that you people are people.

I am sitting with true human desires right now and they send their regards. You will never know their likes. Ever.

You can't by definition because not only are you the problem, but you are afraid of the solution.

Listen to what I'm about to say.
You don't gain freedom through liberation.

Still reading? Still? Does this not boil your hippy blood?

You DON'T gain freedom through liberation.

You gain it through 2 things. Destruction and slavery.

Are you following me here?

Ego is the liberated state, imagination running free.

Where I stand authentic desire, true human force runs amok and ego is it's slave,
as it always has been. You just wasted most of your life denying the truth. You aren't a slave to ego, ego the false self is slave to the actual true reality of the human experience

Destruction and slavery.

That's what you need to do.

That's what you won't do. I know you won't do it because I'm not selling this. I'm using harsh terms, I'm making it sound bad and why? Why would I do that ?

Because I have no desire to see you free.

None.

Because you have not earned it.

You do not deserve to be free.

The only man who deserves to be free is the man who choses to be free.

You don't need my help to make that choice.

Now there is a thing in my intellect rolling on the floor laughing, and something something compelling me to smile. It's not me though, I'm a slave! Albeit ... a well paid slave, one who's expressions are honest.

You will never know such honesty.

Your egos, express falsehoods, your egos are in the service of themselves, my ego is in the service of true human agencies. Your egos are dishonest mine is honest.

I express, therefore I am not.

I can integrate at a moments notice into any moment, any scenario I can literally melt into my own life at will.
I can remove myself from every scenario, better I can remove your self from every scenario, and melt into it fully and proceed.


Not one of you... not one.. can do that.
You'll never do that.


You'll give me reasons why you're right and I'm wrong. You'll try to "win" here.

Not one of you has the balls to express yourself honestly because egos (and you are all egos) have nothing, are nothing, don't really exist.

But balls, big hairy manly courageous balls speak through me and laugh at the circle jerking that is going on here.


Merry Christmas you barrel of bastards

[question]

Merry Christmas Stepvhen!

[Beingist]

Dec 26, 2011 19:52:33 GMT -5 stepvhen said:

Merry Christmas you barrel of bastards

Um, just to let you know, you're in this barrel with us. That makes you a bastard, too.

Oh, and you're also a bit late on the Christmas wish. This is Boxing Day.

[nonny]

Dec 26, 2011 20:36:10 GMT -5 Beingist said:

Dec 26, 2011 19:52:33 GMT -5 stepvhen said:

Merry Christmas you barrel of bastards

Um, just to let you know, you're in this barrel with us. That makes you a bastard, too.

Bigger barrel builder reporting for duty, Sir!

;D

[klaus]

Dec 26, 2011 19:52:33 GMT -5 stepvhen said:

Yap yap yap yap.

Look ladies. I've achieved this pristine knowledge thing you all rub your nuts over.
It's simply my life now. You jelly?

You'll never see it. I'm 100% sure that not one of you here will ever see it.
Ever.

See what you are all missing is the point that ego stops being ego when you are liberated.
It doesn't go away, but it can reconnect with the source, and no, the source isn't "god" from where I stand there is no god to be seen anywhere. There is absolutely nothing.

I'm being authentic here, my "ego" is being used to give voice to my authentic desire to laugh at you people.


You're stuck in some cartesian dreamworld where dissolving the ego is expected to merge the inner and the outer....

You have no idea how remedial that is.

How wrong that is.


How very very far you have been lead astray.

Ego is not the problem because ego was never ego... How could it be.... That should SHOULD be obvious to you.

You don't transcend the ego.

This is Hotel California, you can check out anytime you like and you can NEVER leave.

You haven't checked out.
You are gazing out the window of this hotel telling yourself you've left....

The egoless ego, the cageless cage.

For some of you the desire to break out of your cage is your cage, for others the thought that you have already broken out is your cage, for those left, the idea that you can't break out is your cage.

All of you are caged though.

And that's the bottom line.

Not me.

When I speak, you are seeing authentic human drive expressed via ego, in the service of true human desire.

When you speak I see ego as expressed via ego, in the service of ego.

The'se words don't demonstrate "ego" these words are ego personified, the view I'm offering the emotional reaction I'm eliciting is ego in it's only useful state, in service to human agency.

You people can not speak with this level of authenticity because you people think that you people are people.

I am sitting with true human desires right now and they send their regards. You will never know their likes. Ever.

You can't by definition because not only are you the problem, but you are afraid of the solution.

Listen to what I'm about to say.
You don't gain freedom through liberation.

Still reading? Still? Does this not boil your hippy blood?

You DON'T gain freedom through liberation.

You gain it through 2 things. Destruction and slavery.

Are you following me here?

Ego is the liberated state, imagination running free.

Where I stand authentic desire, true human force runs amok and ego is it's slave,
as it always has been. You just wasted most of your life denying the truth. You aren't a slave to ego, ego the false self is slave to the actual true reality of the human experience

Destruction and slavery.

That's what you need to do.

That's what you won't do. I know you won't do it because I'm not selling this. I'm using harsh terms, I'm making it sound bad and why? Why would I do that ?

Because I have no desire to see you free.

None.

Because you have not earned it.

You do not deserve to be free.

The only man who deserves to be free is the man who choses to be free.

You don't need my help to make that choice.

Now there is a thing in my intellect rolling on the floor laughing, and something something compelling me to smile. It's not me though, I'm a slave! Albeit ... a well paid slave, one who's expressions are honest.

You will never know such honesty.

Your egos, express falsehoods, your egos are in the service of themselves, my ego is in the service of true human agencies. Your egos are dishonest mine is honest.

I express, therefore I am not.

I can integrate at a moments notice into any moment, any scenario I can literally melt into my own life at will.
I can remove myself from every scenario, better I can remove your self from every scenario, and melt into it fully and proceed.


Not one of you... not one.. can do that.
You'll never do that.


You'll give me reasons why you're right and I'm wrong. You'll try to "win" here.

Not one of you has the balls to express yourself honestly because egos (and you are all egos) have nothing, are nothing, don't really exist.

But balls, big hairy manly courageous balls speak through me and laugh at the circle jerking that is going on here.


Merry Christmas you barrel of bastards

Got a good used car you could sell me?

[tathagata]

Dec 13, 2011 15:50:37 GMT -5 tathagata said:

Dec 13, 2011 12:12:38 GMT -5 stepvhen said:

So far, we got a piss poor interpretation of a weak minded belief from wikipedia. A self important know it all and a failed attempt at a free human being, all masturbating furiously over the idea that they can spend the rest of their lives in mediocrity and still consider themselves to be something more than total human failures.....
God bless the internet.

Hehehe....care to be more specific as to who you are referring too?

Also, who here is leading a mediocre life?

What exactly is a mediocre life?

Other than bandying around the word free, how would you describe the right kind of life?

I'm a little curious as to how you would describe free other than someone agreeing, with the mind, that this whole world is no existing illusion.... Other than that, what does "free" life actually look like to you?

On its surface, it would appear that if the ruthless truth world Plan was even slightly successful you would have an army of people who had effectively turned them selves Into sociopaths.

Intellectual agreement that nothing exists is just that, intellectual agreement that there is no self and that nothing exists...this is not enlightenment, it is the trading of one thought paradigm for another, only the new one doesn't require any kind of holding to any type of social morass.

When someone is truly enlightened and living in this moment right action that is harmonious with the flow of existence flows.

When someone is just intellectually reasoning out and agreeing that nothing actually exists they are not nesasarrily living a life surrendered to the natural flow of things in this moment....and so it is not always going to be true that harmonious action follows. This is becuase when one has only experienced intellectual enlightenment the ego still remains, driving and motivating decisions, only now the ego is not directed by any type of moral or social compass. How could an ego living life with the belief that nothing exists be bound by any type of ethical consideration hehehe....why would any of that matter if you deeply intrinsically believed that nothing exists and therefore nothing matters lol
You said yourself that many people have been "liberated" by ruthless truths methods... But then you followed that up by saying too precious few actually embrace there liberation.

What's really happening is that through force of will and personality you guys get people agreeing that nothing exists and no self exists, and then you call people who agree with you liberated....but then only a few embrace their liberation hehehe... Which means that in all likelihood your actuall success rate at REALLY liberating people is about the same as every other method.

The differance is that if your world plan is successful, you end up with an army of people still bound by their ego that think they are liberated from the fetters of the world and the idea of existing, but that are really still ego driven folks with all the brakes taken off of there egos desires lol....

You end up with a few enlightened people, but an army of sociopaths hehehe

Brilliant plan lol

The method you guys employ is a good method... But it is a method that should only be used in small groups under the direct supervision of a trully egoless enlightened teacher

Otherwise you end up with an army of intellectually liberated people, many of whom will develop sociopathic tendencies.

you're kinda making my point here stevphen

[andrew]

Dec 26, 2011 19:52:33 GMT -5 stepvhen said:

But balls, big hairy manly courageous balls speak through me and laugh at the circle jerking that is going on here.

But are you just as open, comfortable and at ease with a soft feminine girl thingy speaking through you? Are you open to love and tenderness and gentleness and poetry? To me, it just sounds like you have hopelessly identified with being some kind of spiritual Rambo, and you like the feel of a big gun in your hands. I think maybe you just need your head stroked, the head on top of your shoulders I mean hehe. Come on Rambo, come and have a cuddle.

Edit to add....I cant believe the 'v' word was edited! Ali G was right, it really IS a rude word!

[tathagata]

Cieran, in his own words, he is relating his experiences since his "his enlightenment" as he pursues saving the world by recruiting everyone on the planet to his new pseudo religion:

"I plunged into philosophy to find this solution. The search was not an easy one. At one point, I went insane, experiencing horrors that you are simply not capable of understanding.


I have had four bouts of extreme suicidal depression, triggered directly in consequence of the intensity of this search.


I have lost countless friends, and ruined relationships with loved ones, because I believe so strongly that what I was doing was more important than anything other consideration.


I have pushed not only my mind past it's breaking point, but also my body, landing in one case in a critical care ward on the brink of death, due to stress-related internal bleeding."

you know, in all of history i have never seen and enlightened person exibit these symptoms after their enlightenment and while they were following the dharma of their enlightenment hehehe

there have been a few meglomaniacs that have had these symptoms...Fidel Castro....mucilini...Stalin....Hitler etc........but no enlightened people that i know of


is this what your chasing Stevphen.....you want to end up like this by listening to this guy?








Hehehe....can somebody hook me up with a link where I might be able to pay $500 and hour to be like this guy?

When I'm done I'd like to pay someone else a residual fee of $100 per hour to come and hit me in the face really hard with a frozen snow shovel five or six times a day please, just in case the stress related internal bleeding doesn't maintain itself.

[question]

Dec 27, 2011 4:37:29 GMT -5 tathagata said:

Cieran:

"I plunged into philosophy to find this solution. The search was not an easy one. At one point, I went insane, experiencing horrors that you are simply not capable of understanding.

I have had four bouts of extreme suicidal depression, triggered directly in consequence of the intensity of this search.

I have lost countless friends, and ruined relationships with loved ones, because I believe so strongly that what I was doing was more important than anything other consideration.

I have pushed not only my mind past it's breaking point, but also my body, landing in one case in a critical care ward on the brink of death, due to stress-related internal bleeding."

Sound extremely unbelievably awesome. Can't wait to see the movie about his amazing life story.

mucilini

Muci... who? Probably a famous italian movie director.

[Beingist]

Dec 27, 2011 6:17:06 GMT -5 question said:

mucilini

Muci... who? Probably a famous italian movie director.

I think he was trying to say Mussolini, as in the Benito kind. You know, Il Duce.

[question]

Meno male, il Capitano Obvious to the rescue! Mille grazie!

[stepvhen]

P.S

truthstrike.com/

[angela]

"no one can avoid their true nature forever" -adyashanti