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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2011 21:58:33 GMT -5
LOL! must be from the Gulf of Mexico
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Post by dreamerrach on Apr 18, 2011 5:58:59 GMT -5
Cats are ebbil.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 12, 2011 9:56:44 GMT -5
Max Yes it is what you are doing is trapping yourself in a intellectual jail once there you probably will stay there and not progress. michael This is my second post in less than two days! I see I backed the wrong horse. Max has now pulled ahead of michaelsees: don't join, michaelsees! (only joking, buddy) Progress? No way dude - you don't exist, so you cannot progress or even hope to progress. Max, I'm only at the start of this long thread, I hope you keep the lead... |
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Post by popee2 on Nov 12, 2011 10:04:18 GMT -5
ahhh, the RT thread, boy does this bring back memories (none of them particularly good)
this place wasn't spiritual enough for michael, so he took his business elsewhere.
max is a clever fellow, I'm not sure if he ever received his online certification though.
LOL
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 12, 2011 10:12:00 GMT -5
I like your humorous style, popee, thanks for your tip: this might just be the place for me... I think I'll work my way through the 80 plus pages of this, might be interesting... to see the lay of the land.
Stand by in case I ask you for another tip.
;D
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Post by popee2 on Nov 12, 2011 10:28:07 GMT -5
Are you an RT member in good standing gurthbruins? lol
btw - I used to go by "Wynn", then went to popee, now I have the 2.
Unlike michael, I keep coming back.
Yeah, this place is a hoot.
In a dry, 40 days of desert, kinda way. lol
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 12, 2011 11:04:59 GMT -5
It's ctn'ly nice to know you are around. (I hope that's not illegal)(messing around with spelling).
No p2, I know f all about RT, that's why I come here. (I was really tempted to spell that hear.)
You can see I'm the nervous type, that's why I always like to see unflappable types around.
I like deserts. I was born in one - water had to come by rail from hundreds of miles away. Nothing annoys me more than the people who want to practise reclamation of the deserts - oh of course I know those people don't exist, but still... they'll kick all those delightful lizards out to make room for yet more of these teeming human trillions. I'd like to see every human being kicked out of Africa and give it back to the animals we stole it from. Sorry to rant here - I'm not really serious, being such an enlightened person you just can't imagine.
I suppose I should go look at the RT forum/s too.
Yup.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 12, 2011 11:20:00 GMT -5
Oh yes, everything is a hoot! once you see the truth. I's just so damnably funny! Here are all these guys hooked into spending a lifetime of labour and imagining they've got somewhere, looking for the truth - which is right under their noses and doesn't require the intelligence of a r scientist to see. But they can't see it, locked into the subtleties of eastern mysticism. I'd much prefer getting to the point, as Meister Eckhart does (the other Eckhart is under a cloud of suspicion, is getting too rich...). Anyway I can't look up to Leos, sitting right on top of them.. Always mistrust the guy who wants to make out something is complicated. It sure is not! A pie made out of a hundred different types of dung is not complicated, it's just dung. Maybe I'll share the insight I had a couple of days ago which is still keeping me laughing. Give me time to find some feet.  |
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Post by popee2 on Nov 12, 2011 11:48:49 GMT -5
nice one. yeppers, simplest is bestest. seriousness is okay dokey I guess, not much my style anymore though. much prefer laughing at myself.
this place is okay dokey too I guess. a cross between overwhelming and underwhelming. perfect. lol
nice to meet you.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 12, 2011 13:09:14 GMT -5
I guarantee you anyone that would be sitting on a fence to go rob someone or whatever will be pull over to do this by your process. Michael The implication being that robbing is evil. This is very far from non-dualism in any shape or form. Non-dualism implies that good and evil are illusory, since they are obviously dualism. You seem to have no faith in the Master of the Universe at all. Are you an atheist? If any robbery takes place, I "guarantee" that it is God's will and should be Accepted by the relatively enlightened. |
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 13, 2011 3:36:45 GMT -5
There seems to be a lot of 'we get it and you don't' going on here. Why does it matter? If the members of the ruthless truth have only just started on their journey and their egos are running wild so what? If they stay at that level for the rest of their lives so what? None of it matters. Let them play. They seem to be having lots of fun. - That was post #65 on this thread. A much "greater" post than those of Iris and Michael. Can't you even see how absurd it is to say one post is greater than another? This is the theatre of the absurd. This thread is the best thread I've seen on this forum, because it presents a conflict between opposing ideas, always the most interesting scenario. #65 is better because here we see the first sign of objectivity, being able to see into the subjectivity of another POV. There is little understanding here that every POV is created by God for the purpose of creating a conflict. No POV of the ego has any real value objectively speaking, except to God. Each of us does exist as an entity with a certain amount of autonomy. We contain a certain amount of the soul and divinity of God. But what actually happens in this universe is determined by the resultant force of all forces in the universe: this we call the Will of God. It serves no purpose to allocate responsibility for what happens to the individual person. The individual (person) and his ego are created directly by God to serve his purpose, which is not ours. He puts into the ego its own conscience and purpose. This he does deliberately. There is a lot of conflict in the universe, on plant, animal and human levels. It is obviously an important part of God's strategies. Whether the conflicts are a drama intended to amuse God (a Divine Comedy), or should be seen as Leela (play), is a matter of speculation but is an idea I favour. I am speaking subjectively now: all our valuations are subjective (i.e. mere personal prejudices) and this includes all ethical and moral ideas and all beliefs. There are no objective, absolute or universal values or morals or beliefs. The more understanding, the more joy and laughter. Popee is leading this horse-race (I have reached page 5 of this 84-page course, and I am giving a commentary on the race as I go along), because he is the first one I hear laughing at himself. Charity begins at home! In this holy war, which might liberate us and teach us to laugh at all tragedies, we may use the means, as frankshank mentions, of simply claiming superiority. This is what Iris and Michael do. It is very infantile and pathetic. Nevertheless I respect their actions and sayings as directly inspired by God for the purposes of this debate-conflict. It is not their fault if they behave like infants - God is responsible for that, and one should definitely know better than to criticise God. |
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 13, 2011 5:47:53 GMT -5
ha ha, tathagata.
I do appreciate your understanding comments!
I am having a good laugh at myself as I allow myself to follow the God-given impulse of the moment!
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 13, 2011 7:50:49 GMT -5
It is within conflict (suffering) that one may choose to find a way out as the door always remains open and in truth its never been closed. Duality is part of the dramitic play the characters of the world are enjoined in at this present moment but at certain times some of us need a break from the act to remember just what we are. Then we knowingly go and consciously enter back into the play but wisely choose not to create conflict but peace or nothing at all or at times the veil of forgetfulness is cast upon the sleepy soul and once again it gets caught up in the play believing in the duality of the thoughts of the mind as truth and learns the lesson needed for further growth. It matters not what path one is on as they all lead back to the same house, the house bulit on the foundation of love.
Within misfortune hides fortune.
Misfortune creates suffering.
Great suffering creates surrender.
Surrendering brings acceptance.
Accepting, one begins to allow.
Allowing raises attention and releases control.
Not controlling, attentive one becomes aware.
Awareness is the beginning of understanding.
Understanding brings peace.
Peace brings compassion.
Compassion brings love.
Love brings forth life.
Life brings about misfortune.
Within misfortune hides fortune.
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Post by popee2 on Nov 13, 2011 9:19:11 GMT -5
Within misfortune hides fortune. Misfortune creates suffering. Great suffering creates surrender. Surrendering brings acceptance. Accepting, one begins to allow. Allowing raises attention and releases control. Not controlling, attentive one becomes aware. Awareness is the beginning of understanding. Understanding brings peace. Peace brings compassion. Compassion brings love. Love brings forth life. Life brings about misfortune. Within misfortune hides fortune. nice thanks WS |
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 13, 2011 9:27:30 GMT -5
re post #1260:
I like the comment, except I think the foundation need not be love. Unless you define love as joy in God. I think acceptance is the most crucial factor of all. From that everything will follow. It will bring love of God. But love is too often confused with maternal (protective) love or even erotic love. Protecting God makes not sense.
Love for me is primarily obedience: the mystic JHM Whiteman (google it) regarded loving obedience as the keystone of mysticism, and for me the two words go together.
Incidentally this guy was my professor in Applied Mathematics at UCT - and before I ever heard of his extramural activities, I was smitten with his modest, friendly, unpretentious demeanour.
I like the first 9 lines of the poem, but when it comes to peace, compassion and love I think we should avoid pursuing these to excess. We should not be unbalanced in our regard of the dualities. Peace and love need their opposites war and hate. There is too much prejudice on these subjects, we should follow the I Ching and consider the needs of the time. There is a time for peace, and a time for war. As example, I support Churchill's declaration of war after the invasion of Poland in 1939.
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