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Post by withinsilence on Nov 13, 2011 16:23:14 GMT -5
Thank you both for your comments. God as one (I) understands it is reality, everything, in other words a better question would be what isn't "God" or truth because the truth is that not truth is also truth as it is, it exist. I use the word love to explain the intentional giving of ones being for the growth of both beings as the teacher is aslo the teached. I would describe love as undiscriminating virtue or reverance for all life as all life eminates from one and returns to one. Also I see (my concept, idea, opinion etc.) that without love (giving of ones being) the universe could not exist as first it must give then it taketh away and giving of ones being is not done out of fear but out of love (pure consciousness), truth, understanding, intention, knowing, gnosis, or whatever abstraction of reality (word) one would like to utilize to describe it.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 14, 2011 2:44:39 GMT -5
withinsilence wrote:
"I would describe love as undiscriminating virtue or reverance for all life as all life eminates from one and returns to one."
If you describe love thus then I agree with you fully. God is indeed everything and loving God implies loving everything (not only life but every grain of sand as well!) without discrimination.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2011 11:53:09 GMT -5
Max Yes it is what you are doing is trapping yourself in a intellectual jail once there you probably will stay there and not progress. michael This is my second post in less than two days! I see I backed the wrong horse. Max has now pulled ahead of michaelsees: don't join, michaelsees! (only joking, buddy) Progress? No way dude - you don't exist, so you cannot progress or even hope to progress. Max, I'm only at the start of this long thread, I hope you keep the lead... Hi there gurthbruins, michaelsees totally won! welcome to the boards. |
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Post by popee2 on Nov 14, 2011 12:04:35 GMT -5
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 14, 2011 13:35:27 GMT -5
This is my second post in less than two days! I see I backed the wrong horse. Max has now pulled ahead of michaelsees: don't join, michaelsees! (only joking, buddy) Progress? No way dude - you don't exist, so you cannot progress or even hope to progress. Max, I'm only at the start of this long thread, I hope you keep the lead... Hi there gurthbruins, michaelsees totally won! welcome to the boards. Thanks for the welcome, nice to meet you indeed. Yes, totally. ;D |
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 14, 2011 13:40:12 GMT -5
- Thanks for the link, popee. I went there, it was worth it to see your last comment - the most brilliant thing I've seen in my life. I replied to that there. |
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Post by popee2 on Nov 14, 2011 14:07:10 GMT -5
well, thank you for the kind words gurthbruins, but ...
saying things is easy, living them however, somewhat trickier
but my dear friend keeps reminding me to forgive myself
so that is what I hope to find
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 14, 2011 14:28:46 GMT -5
well, thank you for the kind words gurthbruins, but ... saying things is easy, living them however, somewhat trickier but my dear friend keeps reminding me to forgive myself so that is what I hope to find - Yes, it almost seems as if there is some trickster around somewhere sometimes... we maybe forget God - I spent an hour speaking to a Muslim fruitseller today - we have many of them around the Cape - and they always make me think their religion is right to have 5 prayer times a day. They seem to be more rememberful of God than the others. When they describe paradise, I just pass that over - what do a few blemishes matter? Artistically necessary zbumi... Thanks for sharing about forgiveness. None of us can be superficially perfect, at the other level we all are. As I put it to one of my Muslim friends : Everyone is a slave of God, but not everyone knows it... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2011 14:32:51 GMT -5
btw, I think RT is defunct now. Now it's Profound Freedom www.profoundfreedom.com/fulcrum/ with a sister site called Liberation Unleashed liberationunleashed.com/nation/index.php. The tone has softened somewhat too, it seems to me. Not sure why the changes have happened. But they seem to be playing nice with the other kids in the no-sandbox. Maybe ruthlessness had worn out its welcome? Also, Ciaran has apparently thrown in the towel. |
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 14, 2011 14:41:08 GMT -5
I checked those RT places today. Much too dogmatic, self-opinionated and know-it-all for my liking. This place is pretty good!
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Post by acewall on Nov 15, 2011 0:00:43 GMT -5
If you haven't already explored it I recommend a jaunt into Sufism Gurth... It's the Mystical Heart of Islam... The wonder awe and beauty of the Sufi way is breathless in its wonder...there are many Sufi orders, but the Mevlevi order of Rumi is a good place to start ;-) thanks...  |
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 15, 2011 1:29:57 GMT -5
If you haven't already explored it I recommend a jaunt into Sufism Gurth... It's the Mystical Heart of Islam... The wonder awe and beauty of the Sufi way is breathless in its wonder...there are many Sufi orders, but the Mevlevi order of Rumi is a good place to start ;-) Thanks, tathagata. I once went to a service in the Sufi temple here in Newlands, Cape Town. The service was in terms of 6 main religions - like going to 6 different churches/synagogues/temples/ one after another - I endorse such attempts at unification, as opposed to the dominant tendency in movements to forever split up into smaller and smaller fragments. Or should I rethink that? Ultimately perhaps our belief is a private matter between "me" and God... not to be shared with others!(??). What I mainly remember about that excursion of mine was that they played some decent background music - stuff like Mozart I mean. Still, I confess I do enjoy it to meet like minds. You speak of beauty. I once cast my "permanent" hexagram - I got 2.Beauty - the one that embarrassed Confucius but it didn't embarrass me: beauty indeed dominates me. ("Late have I loved thee, O Beauty, so ancient and so new") -author forgotten. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2011 13:31:58 GMT -5
btw, I think RT is defunct now. Now it's Profound Freedom www.profoundfreedom.com/fulcrum/ with a sister site called Liberation Unleashed liberationunleashed.com/nation/index.php. The tone has softened somewhat too, it seems to me. Not sure why the changes have happened. But they seem to be playing nice with the other kids in the no-sandbox. Maybe ruthlessness had worn out its welcome? Also, Ciaran has apparently thrown in the towel. Umm, scratch that. In the moments since I wrote the above it appears Profound Freedom has become something more onionesque than it already was, it's founder spiraling out in vitriol. It's all like watching a car accident. Sad, gruesome, fascinating. From abiding nondual awareness, enlightenment, awakening, liberation, freedom, the whole enchilada to what? Just normal everyday drama. Ruthless truth in action I suppose. The illusion of truth will always unravel, sometimes hideously. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2011 10:08:56 GMT -5
Dang, I missed the one year anniversary for this thread.
<Thread Started on Nov 27, 2010, 11:52am>
an epitaph:
Ruthless Truth no longer exists. The Arena which included the Pit and the Dueling Grounds are closed for play. Ciaran Healey, the founder, apparently decided that his effort to evangelize his insight -- there is no you -- to the full 7B folks in the world by "industrializing enlightenment" via an exponential growth of liberators using social media, was not working and could not work because even the liberated (at early stages these folks would have been called enlightened) were too selfish. Instead of a selfless commitment involving full sacrifice, as he was doing, they continued, for the most part, with life as it was, doing liberations as a hobby.
So he quit and is now charging 500 pounds per hour for his liberating service. His most recent blog posts continue to be entertaining reads -- his schtick is funny, IMO, and I don't think of this as an insult at all. His love of the comedian Bill Hicks, a genius comic that I also adore, shows through this schtick.
I went through RT as pyrrho, was "liberated" (hahahaha) -- credit went to the "liberator" Stepvhen (hahahahaha). I also tried my luck at 'liberating' using the 'there is no you' method at a forum full of skeptics and agnostics. It was fun but I sucked at it. Methinks I just didn't have the conviction that it was worth a hill of beans in the first place, and that showed.
I logged on here as maxdprophet because I was interested in how the RT message would be digested or even propagated by folks who were well versed in the insight as well as lots of other stuff. It was really interesting and fun. And I've enjoyed sticking around post-RT even more and am thankful for the impetus to sign up. Anyhoo now I'm just having fun watching the great unfolding (and reporting on it).
I don't know what the background influences were that led to a mitotic split so that two new web-areas were formed that carry on the method of focused no-self realization. These two new web areas are composed of lots of former RT folks as well as currently.
1. Liberation Nation
2. Truth Strike
My speculation is that there were a number of disagreements that led to the split. Ciaran was sick of paying for RT forum with his own money and he wanted to make some money. This led to the concept of the post-RT site Profound Freedom (which never was born) -- it was going to be a nonprofit in some way (meaning, I think, there would be some mechanism for raising revenue). Liberation Nation formed to continue the free version.
Also there was an attempt to reach two different audiences. LN caters to and specializes in folks that come from a more fruitless, spiritual background. TruthStrike caters to a more scientific, fruitlessly philosophical crowd.
Both are modeled like RT: focus on no self, get liberated, become a liberator. Both add an element that RT did not have which is called "Aftercare" -- after liberation, the liberated need support because all is not what one might expect. Also there's a bit of mentoring that goes on so that the newly liberated can become kick-ass liberators as well.
Another thing that is noticeably different is that the tone has changed. The ruthless element of insults and verbal abuse is not there in LN. Perhaps this is because it is sort of managed by Illona and Elena and the feminine side rules. TS, on the other hand, just started a day ago and seems to be promising friendliness. But with the likes of Kevin and Stepvhen, it seems that online insults are just around the corner. Time will tell.
Ciaran continues full on in his insult mode. Maybe by quitting he has liberated himself from the growing pressure to not be as insulting. I don't know and don't care really. His schtick is not something I'd want around our dinner table but it can be fun for a little adult pleasure reading.
One thing that attracted me to RT and still is something I appreciate in Ciaran is his putting world suffering right out in the open. From the beginning the goal of liberating all 7B people was because he saw the attachment to the delusion of self as being the primary cause of suffering for not only the person enslaved by the delusion but also to victims of crime, war, economic exploitation, etc. I am also still motivated by that. And that is what keeps me interested in this.
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