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Post by angela on Jan 10, 2011 17:43:45 GMT -5
i know max, i really do.
i just have this thing about the ability to balance the ruthless energy with the devotional. it's my own trip, one i've been walking a long time and apparently have no control over. it draws me to point out stuff like that. no matter who/what the participants are, self vs. other self vs. self it's all the same thing....
and it's like describing red to a blind person who has always been blind. you can't show someone how noble this whole thing can actually be - the dedication to the absolute truth, your own life be damned - without them actually wanting it at all cost.
just me and my kali sense. love them while you chop off their heads. i like the vibe. the video sharon offered us just broke open my heart and made me want to go
"Damn, that s**t is cool. Let's all play epic here, this is the most important thing ever!!!"
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Post by sharon on Jan 10, 2011 18:28:28 GMT -5
"d**n, that s**t is cool. Let's all play epic here, this is the most important thing ever!!!" Your language give me brain buzz ~ many thanx angela One of them emoticons needs to have blue lightning sparks coming off the back of the head ~ you get the picture  |
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Post by stepvhen on Jan 10, 2011 18:46:55 GMT -5
i know max, i really do. i just have this thing about the ability to balance the ruthless energy with the devotional. it's my own trip, one i've been walking a long time and apparently have no control over. it draws me to point out stuff like that. no matter who/what the participants are, self vs. other self vs. self it's all the same thing.... and it's like describing red to a blind person who has always been blind. you can't show someone how noble this whole thing can actually be - the dedication to the absolute truth, your own life be d**ned - without them actually wanting it at all cost. just me and my kali sense. love them while you chop off their heads. i like the vibe. the video sharon offered us just broke open my heart and made me want to go Thats all well and good Angela. But. When you take a level headed look at just how many people have liberated themselves from the self by working with our approach it changes the picture. If you can prove to me that a mixture of love+murder (gross over simplification I know) can help people get out at the blazing speed at which what we do gets people out, then I'll drop all of this in a second. I've dropped other approaches before when people came up with better ways of helping people liberate. Last month I worked with 2 people who are now liberated from self. In the past 4 moths I've worked with 8 who are now out. 2 a month. Compared to the likes of Ciaran with somewhere in the range of 40 in 5 months there's something lacking in my approach. But those are the cold fact we are talking about here with what we do. over 90 liberated by RT in 5 months......90. You may say this isn't a numbers game and your right it isn't. You may say I'm acting through Ego, by attaching to these things and yeah I probably am. But that does not change the truth of the matter. that over 90 people free in 5 months.... That is Hugely important. You cannot expect anyone to abandon this type of approach when it is just so d**n effective. It is the first step to liberation. Do I have an ego about this nuts. Yes. So what? Thats all part of liberation |
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Post by frankshank on Jan 10, 2011 19:11:28 GMT -5
Surely the key is establishing what the persons self image is initially. Dont make assumptions as theyre just a reflection of your take on the world.
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Post by stepvhen on Jan 10, 2011 19:15:19 GMT -5
Surely the key is establishing what the persons self image is initially. Dont make assumptions as theyre just a reflection of your take on the world. Thats the way we first approached it. Take a look at the content of the self, address that. What we found happening is that people would turn on a dime and drop their self image and instantly take on another. It was the structure that put a self image in place that was the problem |
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Post by teetown on Jan 10, 2011 19:27:56 GMT -5
Stephen, how does your group verify that someone is liberated?
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Post by bobby on Jan 10, 2011 19:42:47 GMT -5
over 90 liberated by RT in 5 months......90. Tell me how many of them still think they are liberated? A Smite ready for you if you lie again. |
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Post by stepvhen on Jan 10, 2011 20:23:29 GMT -5
Stephen, how does your group verify that someone is liberated? We have them give an account of the liberated state, not the concept of liberation but how the actual experience works. We judge on that. We have had a few who have slipped through, and later were outed .. struck off the register I suppose. In fact if you want to see a transcript take a look at the comments on this post. It's full of profanity and disgustingness...but....it works. The end of the post is where I get the girl to describe the state so that I can make a judgement call on her. burningtruedotcom.blogspot.com/2010/12/end-of-tunnel.html#commentsover 90 liberated by RT in 5 months......90. Tell me how many of them still think they are liberated? A Smite ready for you if you lie again. Work away. So you're back ? In all honesty? I don't know. I don't keep tabs. I know a guy freaked because he didn't have super powers last week. Thought liberation meant he would be a perfect being. I know that a lot of the people who reach liberation have 0 interest in spreading it and leave. I know that even more have an interest only in their own personal journey and leave. Others wonder off because they don't care. More still wander off because they don't think they are "enlightened" I get as many out as I can just that. I can't do much for them afterwards. I'ts a challenge enough fending for myself in all this. When you are out you are on your own. Even as part of RT, it's your experience, you're on your own. I think they were all liberated Every last one. Liberation doesn't make them invincible though does it. It doesn't mean they feel like a zen monk living a top a mountain in utter perfection. And sadly that is what many people expect. Liberation is a lot more subtle. It's not some consciousness expanding thing that turns you into a god. Thats is what you wanted, I think. It's why you left. You couldn't face the reality that liberation would not turn you into a superhero. You're not the only one. There have been many who have dropped off the face of the earth afterwards, maybe they don't think they are liberated. What does that change? They were liberated, they still are. If they don't embrace it does it make them any less liberated? No. Once the shift has happened that is it. It has happened. If a one legged man thinks he has 2 legs does that mean change the reality of his one legged situation? It doesn't bobby. Lie again? Bobby please don't give me that crap, speaking like your an authority from the core of delusion. Where did you go bobby and what happened? You weren't enlightened? Was that your reason. You weren't trapped in an enlightened state? You weren't in perfect control? I never got it. I never got why you left. the only reasons I could see for it were all fantastical mystical and deluded. You retreated into delusion. When you saw that you weren't fully there you put your self first and decided that everyone else could burn. You went on your own journey and made that priority number 1. The thing is. I don't think it has been a journey into truth. You were dropping further and further into fantasy and occultism towards the end. Was I wrong? You dropped the ball hard once when you clung to the concept of being a soldier. That was fine. A soldier takes orders. We could pull you out of your delusion. The second time. That was too far. Can you honestly tell me you have been moving towards truth? Be as honest here with me as I have been with you. |
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Post by angela on Jan 10, 2011 23:00:28 GMT -5
stepvhen! you know i exalt you when i remember to do so. but i was just sitting in the chair and up from the silence i knew what i wanted to ask you!  it's a numbers game, you tell me. and you offer that without proving why numbers matter? you choose chocolate! i pick strawberry! different methods, different intentions....? i love curiosity! |
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Post by stepvhen on Jan 11, 2011 5:39:45 GMT -5
stepvhen! you know i exalt you when i remember to do so. but i was just sitting in the chair and up from the silence i knew what i wanted to ask you! it's a numbers game, you tell me. and you offer that without proving why numbers matter? you choose chocolate! i pick strawberry! different methods, different intentions....? i love curiosity! Thanks for that Angela. It's a numbers game because. We are trying to free the entire world. |
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Post by frankshank on Jan 11, 2011 6:45:10 GMT -5
And what if people don't want to be freed?
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Post by angela on Jan 11, 2011 10:48:03 GMT -5
i'd go you one further frank, it's not about the people who want or don't want.... or the other people at all. it goes back, closer - i'm still curious about RT and methods and intention. and of course, stepvhen! so, why does the whole world need to be freed? why do you want to free the whole world? and i trust you to do some real thinking and give me a thorough answer - not just "to alleviate suffering" or somesuch. because then i'll hit you with either "prove how what you do alleviates suffering" or "why does that suffering need alleviating" etc.... i trust your intelligence and curiosity and dedication to truth and i am sincerely interested in your answer. you know i admire you greatly because of how much you care. your passion is familiar to me. and i appreciate your mind. i just decided yesterday i wanted to dig in and ask you tons of questions! "curiouser and curiouser" -alice |
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Post by stepvhen on Jan 11, 2011 11:26:50 GMT -5
I'll go one better Angela and say you are full of the same shit you pretend offends you
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Post by popee on Jan 11, 2011 11:33:26 GMT -5
It is a silly concept to try and "save the world". The world does not need saving, it is perfect exactly as it is. Just let it Be, that is always the only answer.
Now, is the world inhabited by people who falsely believe they suffer? Of course it is, but their so called suffering is not real, it is all imaginary. How do you propose to eradicate something which is not real to begin with?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 11:40:32 GMT -5
It is a silly concept to try and "save the world". The world does not need saving, it is perfect exactly as it is. Just let it Be, that is always the only answer. Now, is the world inhabited by people who falsely believe they suffer? Of course it is, but their so called suffering is not real, it is all imaginary. How do you propose to eradicate something which is not real to begin with? Jared Loughner's defense team will be using this. You should get a slice of the action. |
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