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Post by stepvhen on Jan 7, 2011 16:02:23 GMT -5
ST when you do not insult I will respond to you. What you ask is to only what's there or better yet what is present to me right now. Okay I see exactly what I have always seen the only difference is the seer is no longer identified with a personal me. You heard the story before enlightenment and after you see the same speaking with eyes nothing apparent changes. So I see my monitor, my dog laying on the floor as I type. ST I am being very or in your words ruthless honestly here. I will say one more thing and then frankly no offense but this kind of stuff gets old very fast for me so I will be taking a break with you and wish you the best in you moving on. The whole change of seeing now vs before is there is now no rope of connection from the observer to what is being seen that part was gone a long time ago. Sorry but playing this game like you do is for sure no fun. If I was seeking or searching then it would be different but as I am now it's not necessary and makes no difference at all if you believe me or not. I only ask that you learn you need not be so harsh in your delivery here. So goodbye and goodluck Michael LOL |
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Post by angela on Jan 7, 2011 16:19:01 GMT -5
michael - your words were "the whole change of seeing now vs before is there is now no rope of connection from the observer to what is being seen" that indicates a duality - an observer, and the view. and it sounds like you identify with the observer? i'm just asking, please clarify here, because to me that seems like there's still a landing sense of a self in there. it's just camped out in the witness position, as i indicated in my post this morning. thanks for please clarifying.  ps - to be clear, there is a reason i am so fascinated and curious about this 'witness position' thing - it's because it seems to be where a lot of amazing and sincere folk, myself included for some time, get stopped up and never quite break free of delusion. i am not calling anyone out because i know better, but to help clarify the ways and means that this 'watching' position tends to snag people. and to better learn how to navigate it. |
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 7, 2011 16:54:54 GMT -5
Angela dear the observer is not the self it's the I am which is different from a personal self .
You are trying much to hard with your mind. ST does the same .
end of story
you need to continue to investigate for you.
No one can do that but you.
The problems is words are very lacking and there are no right or wrong words..just words.
This is why I share experiences they tend to tell more of what is.
Another thing you are always in duality when you share, type, eat whatever thank god for duality.
The non-dual can never ever be explained only realized.
IT's a problem when anyone begins to describe anything in nonduality.
Again all that is needed to know is there is no such thing as a person you deconstruct that imaginary concept and just see what happens next. Truthfully that is all you can do to live well
Everything else is in the mind/ego play yard. It's fine if you wish to stay and play but I will tell you life gets a billion times easier and much more fulfilled when you forget all this stuff and just be and watch.
For me that is the amazing part of life, it's also the most love filled part of life all burdens drop at your feet and all you need to do is watch.
Do not get identified with what others are doing and always just look at yourself without being worried is it me I am looking at to is there a me or whatever. You will never get this with the mind.
Anyhow sorry I just write what comes next for me as I am typing .
peace
Michael
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Post by angela on Jan 7, 2011 17:07:25 GMT -5
thanks for the clarification michael. i'm always curious. it's one of the great joys of my life - to ask people questions and listen to their responses. and i appreciate you taking the time to answer. your position has become very clear.
you're content where you are, that much is obvious. so i leave you to it, my friend. enjoy yourself!
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 7, 2011 17:22:52 GMT -5
Thanks Angela if I may there is no problem being curious in truth we all our.
The thing is do not get attached to it by looking for it let everything come to you. See what happens next. For me that is the joy of living.
There is so much love in this world and I am always amazed.
peace
Michael
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Post by stepvhen on Jan 8, 2011 0:28:04 GMT -5
Thanks Angela if I may there is no problem being curious in truth we all our. The thing is do not get attached to it by looking for it let everything come to you. See what happens next. For me that is the joy of living. There is so much love in this world and I am always amazed. peace Michael I love how full of fantasy you are that you think Angela agrees with you. Angela dear the observer is not the self it's the I am which is different from a personal self . You are trying much to hard with your mind. ST does the same . end of story you need to continue to investigate for you. No one can do that but you. The problems is words are very lacking and there are no right or wrong words..just words. This is why I share experiences they tend to tell more of what is. Another thing you are always in duality when you share, type, eat whatever thank god for duality. The non-dual can never ever be explained only realized. IT's a problem when anyone begins to describe anything in nonduality. Again all that is needed to know is there is no such thing as a person you deconstruct that imaginary concept and just see what happens next. Truthfully that is all you can do to live well Everything else is in the mind/ego play yard. It's fine if you wish to stay and play but I will tell you life gets a billion times easier and much more fulfilled when you forget all this stuff and just be and watch. For me that is the amazing part of life, it's also the most love filled part of life all burdens drop at your feet and all you need to do is watch. Do not get identified with what others are doing and always just look at yourself without being worried is it me I am looking at to is there a me or whatever. You will never get this with the mind. Anyhow sorry I just write what comes next for me as I am typing . peace Michael Michael. You are trapped in delusion. Shut up. Your opinion is not only useless but poisonous you have a false sense of self importance spawned from your own self image. Just wake up. You're annoying everyone with the empty words you spew from the pulpit of your own self interest. Put up or shut up. |
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Post by stepvhen on Jan 8, 2011 22:51:33 GMT -5
What is with the sad little Karma swipes? And for the record. You have failed miserably.
I suppose when you got nothing else t do all say but sit around crying about your lost fortune while you wrap yourself in childish delusion you got a lot of time on your hands huh big guy?
"Maybe if I attack his Karma, people won't believe him"
Maybe if people read the thread your weakness will become apparent.
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Post by sharon on Jan 9, 2011 16:07:29 GMT -5
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Post by karen on Jan 9, 2011 16:34:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 8:24:55 GMT -5
yes, thanks for that. "who will collapse first, the man or the animal?" "he shared its pain" the dueling ground at RT is a bit like this, but no Attenboroughs. what motivates one to become the hunter and simultaneously the hunted? most of the duel is just helping the hunter/hunted in the use of an extremely effective boomerang. lots of trial and error. but eventually, given persistence, courage, and honesty, that weapon becomes lethal. and then there's the final throw. hallalujah! |
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Post by sharon on Jan 10, 2011 15:24:34 GMT -5
Thank you ~ I felt the need to contribute something of worth
"what motivates one to become the hunter and simultaneously the hunted?"
the desire to feed is what motivates the hunter
the hunted know that they are prey ... they can only follow instinct and try to stay alive
"and then there's the final throw. hallalujah!"
Nice one yeah, the last scene always cracks my sternum ... clean
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Post by angela on Jan 10, 2011 15:30:28 GMT -5
i don't see a lot of that devotion and respect to the prey from the RT gang... touching in there might open up a whole new vision of what it means to "kill the lie" as they say.
(ie: the most effective teachers i've ever read are the ones who absolutely appreciate and worship the intelligence and cunning of maya)
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Post by stepvhen on Jan 10, 2011 16:51:23 GMT -5
This is an extremely underhanded and conniving method of attempting to prove yourself. What you think you are doing is undermining "my credibility" by attacking my karma. Where in reality what you are actually doing is highlighting your own need to prove yourself you weak weak man. I'm not the enemy here. I'm not even presenting an alternate opinion. I'd like to note, that my calling you weak is based on your underhanded slimy actions here. Can't you see that all you are doing is proving how very deeply trapped in ego you really are? Any person who reads those posts will see you fighting like a lunatic to prove yourself constantly. They'll see you fail miserably as you did. They will see that all the claims of greatness you make are nothing more than a sad attempt to fortify ego. Lastly thanks to this thread they will be able to see how a self based idiot acts when he is proven wrong. The need fore revenge to rebuild the self. This is text book. And you are the test subject. You have played a great part in highlighting just how low a person lost in delusion will fall into cowardly intellectual weakness in order to perpetuate their self image. Michaelsees you sad sad story of your losses on forex are empty. They are nothing more than your story. And you cling to that thinking it has made you a greater person, better than other people. Truth be told. You are further into delusion than the average person. You have fallen back on underhanded "personal" attacks as though the truth doesn't speak for itself. You act as though any person can not read through what has transpired here and see your weakness and lack of aptitude for honesty. Michaelsees, you have been given chance after chance to actually do something worthwhile but you are too trapped in your own delusion to do anything. You really are a failure as a man. A failures a seeker and a failure as a father. My only hope is that your weakness is not infectious enough to permeate the lives of those around you and those who come to this board. The world would truly be abetter place without your weak cowardly narrow sighted ignorance You have watched yourself fail here. Deep inside you know you are a failure. This ego you have built here is without a scrap of credibility. Your opinion no longer matters here, and Michaelsees, opinion was all you ever had. You gave NOTHING but our own opinion repeated again and again and again. This message Michael this pointer towards an inward turning and honest investigation of the truth will not be destroyed by you are me, neither of us are strong enough. I can barely put it across in words. I haven't got that ability, and you. You cannot even engage this. You haven't got the integrity as a man. But the message michaelsees, that speaks for itself and is beyond your petty ego based bullnuts. And what tears your ego up the most about all of this is that you know it. You have thrown all of your delusions before it and it has obliterated them. You have failed and reality is still reality. spiritualteachers.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=business&thread=1203&page=1 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2011 16:53:39 GMT -5
i don't see a lot of that devotion and respect to the prey from the RT gang... touching in there might open up a whole new vision of what it means to "kill the lie" as they say. (ie: the most effective teachers i've ever read are the ones who absolutely appreciate and worship the intelligence and cunning of maya) the folks who enter a duel are actually dueling themselves. the RT person there is just assisting -- teaching proper boomerang technique... one hunter, one prey, and the hunter is the hunted. |
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 10, 2011 17:19:51 GMT -5
ROFLMAO!
Gosh ST you mean we are suppose to succeed as a person I guess I had it backwards ha ha.
Don't worry with that much angst against s person who does not even exist there is still hope!!
My gut is hurting now please no more..
Peace
Michael
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