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Post by michaelsees on Jan 6, 2011 20:31:51 GMT -5
I am in my house sitting in front of my computer trading Forex. I have my robot doing the trading as I look up I see I am 15k in the black a thought comes in wow it's going to be a great day for me.
All of a sudden my power goes off another thought comes in OMG I can't stop my trading now the robot will keep trading and if the pair I am trading goes south I can use everything. I am terrified at the outcome another thought comes please power come back don't do this to me power still off 45 mins past then a stillness comes like a peace trying to tell me something then from no where everything becomes very quiet is it me that's quiet as I look at my blacked out monitor more peace it's hard to explain it's like a peace that everything is perfect at the same time I am fully aware of my situation. In a sudden swish I am still looking but it's not me this time. I see the same things but there is no me there. I stayed like that until power came back on. The moment was so peaceful and now I am the observer behind the me is aware. I have no urgency to look to see where I am in the market when I do look I see I am now 30k in the red and still moving down. What is this where is the me that should get all excited now. I gently turn the robot off no thoughts are there. Now I am amazed that all I see is perfection with no good reason. The rest of the day I am filled with this peace that nothing can ever touch me. The real me never got touched I take my dog for a walk the sky never looked so beautiful. A thought comes in from nowhere Michael you just lost all your money I hardly notice the thought it came and went away with no place to land.
That was the day I realized who I truly was..also the day I lost all my money
Michael
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Post by stepvhen on Jan 6, 2011 22:33:09 GMT -5
The challenge is to explore your experience of reality now. To scan it and report on it.
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Post by dawn on Jan 7, 2011 1:32:38 GMT -5
The challenge is to explore your experience of reality now. To scan it and report on it. ROFLOL |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 9:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 7, 2011 9:56:03 GMT -5
huh no need to explore that experience at all From my pov you seem to really get into mind stuff. I really have no need. I am very content. bye Michael The challenge is to explore your experience of reality now. To scan it and report on it. |
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Post by ichc on Jan 7, 2011 10:24:44 GMT -5
No you're not. And none of us really is. |
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 7, 2011 10:43:37 GMT -5
Of course you are content we all are if you learn not to pay attention to your mind when a thought comes in. Some say we have 60,000 thoughts per day. I am speaking now to the relative you.
Almost all those thoughts go completely unnoticed. When you pay for a thought by investing into it that is where the trouble starts. A though like Am I doing this wrong, I am not good enough etc are just like all the other thoughts. When you really know that all thoughts are never yours and don't pay any attention to them they just float away. It's really simple but like anything in life you need to practice once you truly see this then no longer will thoughts get to you.
Michael
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Post by stepvhen on Jan 7, 2011 10:48:52 GMT -5
huh no need to explore that experience at all From my pov you seem to really get into mind stuff. I really have no need. I am very content. bye Michael Yes Michael the challenge was to explore experience to see the underlying reality. What you have is all conceptual. The concept that nothing really matters. You cling to that. The concept. You have not seen the reality. You could look right now. But you don't. Why? You love your fantasies. They make life easier. That what this is about for you. It is about making life easier. It's not about reality. It's about clouding yourself with fantasy so that life seems easier to you. If you would only look, you would see that there is no you in reality. Your'e self obsessed I'm afraid. You are not interested in truth. You are not a true seeker. You are a liar. Why won't you just look? Why will you not see the truth? Do you see how this lie of self skulks around the shadows of your own mind. Clinging to your pitiful stories of lost fortune emotional attachment. Turn the light of investigation inward and see that lie that is keeping you locked deeply in your own delusion. See it drag it into the light and then overcome it. Get over yourself and look at reality. Of course you are content we all are if you learn not to pay attention to your mind when a thought comes in. Some say we have 60,000 thoughts per day. I am speaking now to the relative you. Almost all those thoughts go completely unnoticed. When you pay for a thought by investing into it that is where the trouble starts. A though like Am I doing this wrong, I am not good enough etc are just like all the other thoughts. When you really know that all thoughts are never yours and don't pay any attention to them they just float away. It's really simple but like anything in life you need to practice once you truly see this then no longer will thoughts get to you. Michael Michael just stop. You are not qualified to speak about this. Until you can overcome your own delusion and ACTUALLY LOOK you have no place talking about this. You are just mincing concepts. Until you see the reality your every word is empty and self serving |
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Post by angela on Jan 7, 2011 10:58:53 GMT -5
i'm really sad to hear that michael, that you equate controlling your thoughts with liberation.
but i'm also sad to hear stepvhen has reached no-self and has stopped there, without investigating further, and equates that with liberation.
you both have something in common, and although i doubt either of you will see it - i am so curious about you both!! it seems as if you have both woken up inside of a dream. you look at the world, and it cannot touch you. you are each, in your own way, removed from the pictureshow. the deep, sincere curiosity about what remains is not evidenced in either of your dialogues. i wonder to myself where it is?? it seems as if you have found your answers and your knowing. but each of your answers, in some way, appears to reference the mind - even if you don't see it clearly. so you are lucid dreaming - able to move about with absolute authority inside of the dream world.... but i wonder if you ever consider, even in the darkest, quietest moments of night, weather or not you're still lying in bed asleep?
i am not in any way talking about how much either of you care about the world. your passion, each in its own way, is evident in all that you do. i can tell you care, and probably that is why it makes me a little sad, because i wonder why you care so much and yet have so little curiosity or questioning evidenced in your dialogue? the more truth eats up our lives, the less we know, has been my experience, and the curiosity comes from a humbleness, and a humility - a willingness to not know, because truth is more important than anything.
and all we find in truth is paradox, lack of reference point, inability to take a stand on right or wrong, inability to judge, and absolute inclusion of every single thing around (including the "lie of self") because the One Thing is Everything. and that means everything.
this little commentary is not coming from a place whereby i think i am better, or believe i have an answer. i just wish for a moment you could see clearly where you are the same. taking sides in any of this, and any spectators here who have done the same, are missing the point.
remaining fascination with ANY viewpoint, any reference point at all, indicates that the mind is grabbing, still doing it's two step. and it will snow you so deeply that you actually think you're awake.
i heard a teacher once say that the most dangerous teachings are the ones that are the closest to the truth - because they have just enough wiggle room for the mind to camp out in emptiness, in no-thingness, in untouchability, in no-bodiness, no-self, witness etc. and it's very, very difficult to see that's where you're hiding because the sense of freedom is so vast.
but liberation is being liberated from EVEN THE NEED FOR FREEDOM ITSELF
at least, that's what my intuition tells me. and i will not settle for anything less.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 7, 2011 11:29:40 GMT -5
You do not get it Angela. First their is no such thing as "your thoughts" that's your first mistake.
You are never owner of your thoughts. Now the reason you do not get this simple realization is because you never had it.
Secondly there is no such thing as liberation as there is nothing to be liberated from.
This is why I am in peace 90% of the time. You need to wake up first to understand what I am saying here. It's that simple. Once you truly wake up you see how silly it is to talk like you have in this post. Remember Angela this one thing the idea of liberation is very deceptive. It's a clever mind movement that keeps you in the game.
Lastly thanks for your concerns . I advise you to take a look at who it is that feels sad.
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Post by karen on Jan 7, 2011 11:31:24 GMT -5
You could look right now. But you don't. Why? You love your fantasies. They make life easier. That what this is about for you. It is about making life easier. It's not about reality. It's about clouding yourself with fantasy so that life seems easier to you. Just to clarify things a bit from my POV: The entire motive for my so-called spiritual search years ago was to make my life better. If it wasn't I wouldn't have done it. The difference is that I could see clearly that my fantasizing was actually making my life worse. Before I would be in fantasy land, and chase pleasant experiences and shun painful ones. How was that working for me? Not well. So in 2005, I realized that the only way to help me was to stop blowing smoke up my a$$ and accept the 100% unvarnished truth NO MATTER WHAT! After this earnest pledge, I still BSed myself in all the compartments that lay unexamined. This fueled suffering until I could muster up the intention to topple those lies too. And I'm sure there are more compartments that still need to be swept out. So my motives were to make my life better. But my intention was the truth. Motives don't matter. At least for me they don't. |
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Post by angela on Jan 7, 2011 11:34:10 GMT -5
mmmm... attack number one is in. i stand, with baited breath, waiting for attack number two.  take a deep breath sugarplum. there is more love here than you know. |
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Post by karen on Jan 7, 2011 11:35:01 GMT -5
1st person - "You're not enlightened." 2nd person - "No, you're not enlightened." 1st person - "No, you're not enlightened." 2nd person - "No, you're not enlightened." |
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Post by angela on Jan 7, 2011 11:38:04 GMT -5
oh karen!! i love you.
i'm going out on a limb here
I AM NOT ENLIGHTENED!!!
okay. your turn.
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Post by michaelsees on Jan 7, 2011 11:38:25 GMT -5
You are a liar. Why won't you just look? Why will you not see the truth? Do you see how this lie of self skulks around the shadows of your own mind. Clinging to your pitiful stories of lost fortune emotional attachment. Turn the light of investigation inward and see that lie that is keeping you locked deeply in your own delusion. See it drag it into the light and then overcome it. Get over yourself and look at reality. (/quote] You see how you react when you do do not get what you want S? This is exactly why I stopped engaging with you. Then I gave you one more chance and you comeback with the same foolishness. Well enough of that. One thing though you have some issues here to look at. You doubt very much your own realization this is why you try so hard to help people to see something that you have not yet seen. Grow up do your work first, you will then see that all you have done by coming here is your own stuff and has absolutely noting to do with seeing the no-self. I has to do with you and you will never get it through others. Michael |
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