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Post by michaelsees on Dec 27, 2010 0:01:51 GMT -5
Thanks Karen John is wonderful and a good old friend of mine. I would give him the use of my Ranch in Ojai to do his retreats. He's the real thing Michael This seems like a relevant discussion here btw. ~2hour John Sherman podcast - just throwing it out there... |
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Post by riposte on Dec 29, 2010 3:21:54 GMT -5
Are you retarded? Being free of ego doesn't mean not having one. It's impossible to communicate a point without ego. Haha. Of course it's possible to communicate without ego. The ego and the mind must die for full liberation. There must be no thoughts at all. You, my friend, are not there yet. |
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Post by maverick09 on Dec 29, 2010 3:55:06 GMT -5
Alright guys, listen up.
There is a lot more than the 'no you' thing - Yes. But to those who don't 'get' this, the entire lands of spirituality becomes a jungle that they get lost in.
I've had my share of feeling lost in this entire 'spirituality' thing, and this 'no you' insight came seriously as a blessing.
All we ask of you, the entire board, is to -
1/ Verify the 'no you' thing if you haven't
2/ If you have, understand the implications of what this insight will do if it is given to those who are still lost in the lands of spirituality. To help someone lost, especially in something as insidious and subtle as 'spirituality' is probably the best thing you could do to help them on their path. So please hit them with this 'no you' insight before considering the lillies.
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Post by maverick09 on Dec 29, 2010 4:00:07 GMT -5
Haha. Of course it's possible to communicate without ego. Yes, because there is no such thing as 'ego'. The thought of 'I' is useful for communication and it represents a particular point of view, it doesn't however imply that there really is something called an 'I' in one person and a 'YOU' in another. There is no EGO to die. To be free from thoughts doesn't mean absence from it, it just means that you are not trapped by it. To 'think' doesn't make anyone 'not liberated'. Jesus used thoughts. He is. |
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Post by riposte on Dec 29, 2010 13:59:20 GMT -5
To be free from thoughts doesn't mean absence from it, it just means that you are not trapped by it. To 'think' doesn't make anyone 'not liberated'. Actually yes, thoughts occlude absolute truth. Freedom is only achieved when all thoughts are completely and entirely extinguished, dead, and do not rise again. "Not being trapped" by thoughts, or being unattached to thoughts, is not full liberation/realization or whatever you want to call it. There must be no thought. Don't worry though. The body continues to function and do what it needs to do. I don't know how, but it does! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2010 20:22:38 GMT -5
okay riposte, Iris, michaelsees, karen, zd, enigma, .... what's the response to #2 below? All we ask of you, the entire board, is to -
1/ Verify the 'no you' thing if you haven't
2/ If you have, understand the implications of what this insight will do if it is given to those who are still lost in the lands of spirituality. To help someone lost, especially in something as insidious and subtle as 'spirituality' is probably the best thing you could do to help them on their path. So please hit them with this 'no you' insight before considering the lillies. |
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Post by karen on Dec 29, 2010 23:15:05 GMT -5
I'm always game to help someone who there seems to be an opening. I'm sure that is true for the others listed. After all, that is pretty much what we are doing here - helping each other.
But I'm beyond pestering all those disinterested souls around me about this. I actually use to do that when I was indeed a "noob".
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Post by michaelsees on Dec 30, 2010 0:01:46 GMT -5
Well most seekers have the no-you figured out way before they get into non duality. I know I did. If I came across RT site early on it would had turn me away from the truth because of all the obscene language they use. I am happy I never came across anything like RT. I still stand by my words that RT s more of a hindrance than a sincere help for the seeker. Michael okay riposte, Iris, michaelsees, karen, zd, enigma, .... what's the response to #2 below? All we ask of you, the entire board, is to -
1/ Verify the 'no you' thing if you haven't
2/ If you have, understand the implications of what this insight will do if it is given to those who are still lost in the lands of spirituality. To help someone lost, especially in something as insidious and subtle as 'spirituality' is probably the best thing you could do to help them on their path. So please hit them with this 'no you' insight before considering the lillies. |
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Post by frankshank on Dec 30, 2010 6:55:15 GMT -5
I think it's time for the RT gang to stick to their own site now. The message has been received and those interested will visit the site. P.S. Of course everything is perfect as it is but bugger off anyway!  |
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Post by Peter on Dec 30, 2010 7:33:48 GMT -5
I signed up to Ruthless Truth, but in order to actually post something on their site you have to send an additional application. They don't have an open door policy like we do. The term "Begging Letter" comes to mind, but maybe that's just reaction on my part:
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Post by Peter on Dec 30, 2010 8:30:45 GMT -5
Oy. This stuff isn't easy to read. These young people full of energy and expression. Fair play to them for posting this....dischord in public. I mean, if it happens then it's the truth. And you know, the man says he needs numbers. I'm still in the "self" camp and the universe seems to be asking me to look seriously at that, so toodle pip Scott, I may be some time. From ruthlesstruthdotcom.blogspot.com/2010/12/you-know-how-to-take-kicking.htmlTuesday, 28 December 2010 Posted by Ciaran Ahh yes, Evidence. Used to convince people of FACTS. Well Ok, if you think what you're doing is going to make the world a better place, I respect your free will. |
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Post by angela on Dec 30, 2010 11:08:36 GMT -5
i am reading an article right now by greg goode about emptiness and middle way buddhist teachings in that area. i found something that may be useful here: (SNIP) not refuting conventional existence provides a way for (us) to present the (...) path to the end of suffering. Even though the (...) teachings are vast and profound teachings, they are still conventional existents. By not refuting conventional existence while indeed refuting inherent existence (we) can tread the Middle Way between the extremes of existence. If conventional existence were refuted along with inherent existence, the(...) path would not be possible since nothing would be said to exist. Refuting conventional existence would err on the side of nihilism. Retaining conventional existence avoids this extreme. (SNIP) the second to last sentence, about nihilism, really got me when it comes to this thread. it seems like, by getting stuck in the extreme called "no self" (or as goode pointed out in the article, refuting inherant existence) we forget that we're all still going on in this world. and if the goal, as RT keeps swearing it is, is to help end the suffering in the world.... then by not taking a look at the consensual agreed upon reality (or the conventional existence that goode refers to above) that we're still sharing... they are certainly edging up on a dangerous nihilism. also, they are evidencing themselves as stuck in a belief, stuck in a position and a standpoint, just like every other fundamentalist out there. and there ain't no fun in fundamentalism.  ps - this amazing and helpful article is at: nonduality.com/goode6.htm |
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Post by maverick09 on Dec 30, 2010 12:52:47 GMT -5
But I'm beyond pestering all those disinterested souls around me about this. I actually use to do that when I was indeed a "noob". If you are well beyond your stage of "noob" its time to give back something to humanity. And i am not encouraging that any one not interested in spirtuality etc should be forced to look at this, but for someone who is willing to enter this realm and seeks truth - this one sight is very helpful. Don't betray us mate.... help those who can't help themselves... please. |
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Post by maverick09 on Dec 30, 2010 12:56:35 GMT -5
Well most seekers have the no-you figured out way before they get into non duality. I know I did. Mate... you are mistaken. There are tons of people out there who enter this and cant figure out a thing even after entering this whole 'non duality' thing. Thats where this 'no you' thing comes in. We need to give this to people. We really do. Michael... RT has got more than 80 people to look at this 'no you' thing. 80. Thats not insignificant right? I don't see anybody give a nuts about getting this thing seen right anywhere else..... those who have seen it just wander off into their own... but what about coming back and leading them... shepharding them??? Don't be turned off by the language, but can you not see the heart of that place mate?....... |
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Post by maverick09 on Dec 30, 2010 13:00:14 GMT -5
it seems like, by getting stuck in the extreme called "no self" (or as goode pointed out in the article, refuting inherant existence) we forget that we're all still going on in this world. and if the goal, as RT keeps swearing it is, is to help end the suffering in the world.... then by not taking a look at the consensual agreed upon reality (or the conventional existence that goode refers to above) that we're still sharing... they are certainly edging up on a dangerous nihilism. also, they are evidencing themselves as stuck in a belief, stuck in a position and a standpoint, just like every other fundamentalist out there. No angela, you're not getting the message. Its not about nihilism. Nihilism denies ALL existence. This 'no you' thing denies the existence of nothing but the SELF. Also, we are not stuck in this belief, cuz firstly its not a belief. Its something that is just true. And the reason we are stressing up on this insight is because it is helpful in tremendous amounts to those who don't get this yet...... |
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