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Post by tzujanli on Aug 5, 2013 11:17:40 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. If you 'think' that's comical, you should have the clarity to see 'what is'.. you should observe individuals agreeing to 'believe' there is 'not two', even as their agreements and the disagreements of others confirms the absurdity of attaching to the belief of a condition described as 'not two'.. unless they simply don't understand how to articulate awareness beyond 'two', so.. what 'is', is oneness AND manyness existing simultaneously, and which or both are experienced by virtue of where we choose to place our attention/awareness.. Be well.. As far as "Tzu's beliefs" are concerned. THIS and THIS are "what is". Now Tzu' ... you tell me what "belief" I've stated here. Oh, Bill.. really? Okay.. i'll help you out.. No, you don't have it 'right'.. it is entirely possible to be 'attached' to 1).. in which case that 'attachment' also defines "1)" as a 'belief'.. it is the openness and willingness to let go of beliefs and knowledge, and for new information to counsel fluid dynamism in one's relationship with their existence that liberates the experiencer from 'beliefs'.. It is not the belief you've stated, but the belief that counsels your attachments that is evidenced in your quest.. what is your position on the differences between Oneness/nonduality and duality? Be well..
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Post by topology on Aug 5, 2013 11:25:18 GMT -5
I'd love to hear some of the peeps currently on here, E, Steve, Tzu, Laughter, Farmer, Ish... etc. What your definitions are.... jeez OHC, that's an impossible task isn't it? I mean, E and Laffy gave as good a 'definition' as you'll likely get ... "Not-Two" but what does that mean, what does it 'point to'? I haven't had the Realization which dissolves the question, so I don't know what any of this nonduality talk really means, or what "to do" about it (which as we've all heard, is "nothing") so I've decided to relax and enjoy the show, try to 'see clearly' as much as possible, and then gently resume focus and attention when I 'fall off the wagon'. ;-) as an aside, Tzu's crusade against "beliefs" seems comical at this point. Yes, yes it is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 11:30:34 GMT -5
you're an annoying little sh!t, you psychopathological troll ;-) ... That's the spirit! Proverbs 12:17 Whoever speaks the truth gives honest evidence, but a false witness utters deceit. Proverbs 6:19 a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community. Proverbs 12:15 The way of fools seems right to them, but the wise listen to advice. ;D
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Post by silver on Aug 5, 2013 11:33:56 GMT -5
jeez OHC, that's an impossible task isn't it? I mean, E and Laffy gave as good a 'definition' as you'll likely get ... "Not-Two" but what does that mean, what does it 'point to'? I haven't had the Realization which dissolves the question, so I don't know what any of this nonduality talk really means, or what "to do" about it (which as we've all heard, is "nothing") so I've decided to relax and enjoy the show, try to 'see clearly' as much as possible, and then gently resume focus and attention when I 'fall off the wagon'. ;-) as an aside, Tzu's crusade against "beliefs" seems comical at this point. Yes, yes it is. Honey, all of this is madcap at its finest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 11:35:50 GMT -5
jeez OHC, that's an impossible task isn't it? I mean, E and Laffy gave as good a 'definition' as you'll likely get ... "Not-Two" but what does that mean, what does it 'point to'? I haven't had the Realization which dissolves the question, so I don't know what any of this nonduality talk really means, or what "to do" about it (which as we've all heard, is "nothing") so I've decided to relax and enjoy the show, try to 'see clearly' as much as possible, and then gently resume focus and attention when I 'fall off the wagon'. ;-) as an aside, Tzu's crusade against "beliefs" seems comical at this point. Yes, yes it is. The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear. Jiddu Krishnamurti
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Post by onehandclapping on Aug 5, 2013 11:48:40 GMT -5
I'd love to hear some of the peeps currently on here, E, Steve, Tzu, Laughter, Farmer, Ish... etc. What your definitions are.... jeez OHC, that's an impossible task isn't it? I mean, E and Laffy gave as good a 'definition' as you'll likely get ... "Not-Two" but what does that mean, what does it 'point to'? I haven't had the Realization which dissolves the question, so I don't know what any of this nonduality talk really means, or what "to do" about it (which as we've all heard, is "nothing") so I've decided to relax and enjoy the show, try to 'see clearly' as much as possible, and then gently resume focus and attention when I 'fall off the wagon'. ;-) as an aside, Tzu's crusade against "beliefs" seems comical at this point. Haha. Well when you focus on the sign posts and not to which they point, it sounds a lot like beliefs being stated.... Yeah don't worry about having the realization that dissolves the question. It's nothing more special than THIS. After it "happens" you will return to THIS, everyday life existance. So I wouldn't put another thought to anything but the Now moment and let everything else figure itself out. Hey!! that sounds like beliefs to me OHC!! Doh!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 12:18:09 GMT -5
jeez OHC, that's an impossible task isn't it? I mean, E and Laffy gave as good a 'definition' as you'll likely get ... "Not-Two" but what does that mean, what does it 'point to'? I haven't had the Realization which dissolves the question, so I don't know what any of this nonduality talk really means, or what "to do" about it (which as we've all heard, is "nothing") so I've decided to relax and enjoy the show, try to 'see clearly' as much as possible, and then gently resume focus and attention when I 'fall off the wagon'. ;-) as an aside, Tzu's crusade against "beliefs" seems comical at this point. Haha. Well when you focus on the sign posts and not to which they point, it sounds a lot like beliefs being stated.... Yeah don't worry about having the realization that dissolves the question. It's nothing more special than THIS. After it "happens" you will return to THIS, everyday life existance. So I wouldn't put another thought to anything but the Now moment and let everything else figure itself out. Hey!! that sounds like beliefs to me OHC!! Doh!! Yes, they are beliefs, so does that mean your conceiving "THIS" and "NOW...as in we conceive what we believe... IOW, do you believe in a separate objective "THIS" and "NOW"?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 12:56:00 GMT -5
Proverbs 12:17 Whoever speaks the truth gives honest evidence, but a false witness utters deceit. Proverbs 6:19 a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community. Proverbs 12:15 The way of fools seems right to them, but the wise listen to advice. ;D So, in your world, these proverbs somehow justify what?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 13:06:43 GMT -5
Proverbs 12:17 Whoever speaks the truth gives honest evidence, but a false witness utters deceit. Proverbs 6:19 a false witness who pours out lies and a person who stirs up conflict in the community. Proverbs 12:15 The way of fools seems right to them, but the wise listen to advice. ;D So, in your world, these proverbs somehow justify what? don't try to ensnare me into your dark poison cove now that Laffy has let you off the hook again justify: to prove or show to be just, right, or reasonable nope, none of that. you antics today merely reminded me of those old quotes, is all
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 13:18:19 GMT -5
So, in your world, these proverbs somehow justify what? don't try to ensnare me into your dark poison cove now that Laffy has let you off the hook again justify: to prove or show to be just, right, or reasonable nope, none of that. you antics today merely reminded me of those old quotes, is all My antics? You picked up on a label reefs posted and decided to parade it around. You couldn't find any TAT splat to support it, so you traversed the span back to your religious conditioning, which is obviously still firmly in place. Something tells me this is the common ground you and Bill share.
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Post by onehandclapping on Aug 5, 2013 14:09:26 GMT -5
Haha. Well when you focus on the sign posts and not to which they point, it sounds a lot like beliefs being stated.... Yeah don't worry about having the realization that dissolves the question. It's nothing more special than THIS. After it "happens" you will return to THIS, everyday life existance. So I wouldn't put another thought to anything but the Now moment and let everything else figure itself out. Hey!! that sounds like beliefs to me OHC!! Doh!! Yes, they are beliefs, so does that mean your conceiving "THIS" and "NOW...as in we conceive what we believe... IOW, do you believe in a separate objective "THIS" and "NOW"? Yeah TRF, I believe in a separate objective THIS and NOW...... And if you'll buy that I got some money tree seeds I want to sell you. Sign posts TRF.....sign posts.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 14:20:59 GMT -5
Yes, they are beliefs, so does that mean your conceiving "THIS" and "NOW...as in we conceive what we believe... IOW, do you believe in a separate objective "THIS" and "NOW"? Yeah TRF, I believe in a separate objective THIS and NOW...... And if you'll buy that I got some money tree seeds I want to sell you. Sign posts TRF.....sign posts..... Of course you believe in your signposts called THIS and NOW... And isn't that which your signposts point to also one of your beliefs?
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Post by onehandclapping on Aug 5, 2013 14:44:37 GMT -5
Yeah TRF, I believe in a separate objective THIS and NOW...... And if you'll buy that I got some money tree seeds I want to sell you. Sign posts TRF.....sign posts..... Of course you believe in your signposts called THIS and NOW... And isn't that which your signposts point to also one of your beliefs? You can call it a belief if you so choose to label it that, but that isn't what it is. Just like a tree isn't really a tree. These words aren't really words. And you aren't really you. It's as much of a belief as the sound of one hand clapping is silent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 15:24:25 GMT -5
Of course you believe in your signposts called THIS and NOW... And isn't that which your signposts point to also one of your beliefs? You can call it a belief if you so choose to label it that, but that isn't what it is. Just like a tree isn't really a tree. These words aren't really words. And you aren't really you. It's as much of a belief as the sound of one hand clapping is silent. Yes, of course, the point is that you "believe" it exists whether it can be named or not...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 16:33:02 GMT -5
more antics .. more quotes. non-denominational this time, lest goofy thinks there is more conditioning at play. "Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something." Plato "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do." Benjamin Franklin
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