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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 5, 2013 9:01:28 GMT -5
I'd love to hear some of the peeps currently on here, E, Steve, Tzu, Laughter, Farmer, Ish... etc. What your definitions are.... My understanding is that it's the translation of the word "advaita" to a literal expression of "not-two". An important distinction to make is that not-two isn't one. In seeing One there are two. Any expression of information requires foreground and background and thereby starts with division. Without a split into at least two, there can be no expression of information. It's not possible to express what not-two points toward directly because any thought, any expression, any information is not-not-two.Perhaps they should change the name then........
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 9:02:13 GMT -5
I'd love to hear some of the peeps currently on here, E, Steve, Tzu, Laughter, Farmer, Ish... etc. What your definitions are.... jeez OHC, that's an impossible task isn't it? I mean, E and Laffy gave as good a 'definition' as you'll likely get ... "Not-Two" but what does that mean, what does it 'point to'? I haven't had the Realization which dissolves the question, so I don't know what any of this nonduality talk really means, or what "to do" about it (which as we've all heard, is "nothing") so I've decided to relax and enjoy the show, try to 'see clearly' as much as possible, and then gently resume focus and attention when I 'fall off the wagon'. ;-) as an aside, Tzu's crusade against "beliefs" seems comical at this point. This whole shlemiel is a rather well thought out plan. You said "try to see clearly as possible." How the hell are you gonna do that? Try to pick up a pencil. You either pick it up, or you do not. There is no "try." The Realization that dissolves the question.... That's a good one. Where'd ya read that? Tzu's 'beliefs' my foot...
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 5, 2013 9:16:18 GMT -5
Greetings.. I'd love to hear some of the peeps currently on here, E, Steve, Tzu, Laughter, Farmer, Ish... etc. What your definitions are.... jeez OHC, that's an impossible task isn't it? I mean, E and Laffy gave as good a 'definition' as you'll likely get ... "Not-Two" but what does that mean, what does it 'point to'? I haven't had the Realization which dissolves the question, so I don't know what any of this nonduality talk really means, or what "to do" about it (which as we've all heard, is "nothing") so I've decided to relax and enjoy the show, try to 'see clearly' as much as possible, and then gently resume focus and attention when I 'fall off the wagon'. ;-) as an aside, Tzu's crusade against "beliefs" seems comical at this point. If you 'think' that's comical, you should have the clarity to see 'what is'.. you should observe individuals agreeing to 'believe' there is 'not two', even as their agreements and the disagreements of others confirms the absurdity of attaching to the belief of a condition described as 'not two'.. unless they simply don't understand how to articulate awareness beyond 'two', so.. what 'is', is oneness AND manyness existing simultaneously, and which or both are experienced by virtue of where we choose to place our attention/awareness.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Aug 5, 2013 9:17:54 GMT -5
-- was that you?
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Post by laughter on Aug 5, 2013 9:24:56 GMT -5
My understanding is that it's the translation of the word "advaita" to a literal expression of "not-two". An important distinction to make is that not-two isn't one. In seeing One there are two. Any expression of information requires foreground and background and thereby starts with division. Without a split into at least two, there can be no expression of information. It's not possible to express what not-two points toward directly because any thought, any expression, any information is not-not-two.Perhaps they should change the name then........
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 9:32:41 GMT -5
This whole shlemiel is a rather well thought out plan. You said "try to see clearly as possible." How the hell are you gonna do that? Try to pick up a pencil. You either pick it up, or you do not. There is no "try." The Realization that dissolves the question.... That's a good one. Where'd ya read that? Tzu's 'beliefs' my foot... you're an annoying little sh!t, you psychopathological troll ;-) sure I've read many "enlightenment stories", and a recurring theme seems to be .. 'the see-er and seen' are Known to be "One" but writing this, or anything else, does not constitute carrying around some kind of "a belief"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 9:44:48 GMT -5
This whole shlemiel is a rather well thought out plan. You said "try to see clearly as possible." How the hell are you gonna do that? Try to pick up a pencil. You either pick it up, or you do not. There is no "try." The Realization that dissolves the question.... That's a good one. Where'd ya read that? Tzu's 'beliefs' my foot... you're an annoying little sh!t, you psychopathological troll ;-) sure I've read many "enlightenment stories", and a recurring theme seems to be .. 'the see-er and seen' are Known to be "One" but writing this, or anything else, does not constitute carrying around some kind of "a belief" How sweet. Reefs taught farmer a new word. I don't know many people who walk around reciting the 'see-er and seen' thing to themselves as they go about their daily lives. Who in the hell has time for beliefs such as these? It's simple. But not any simpler than that.
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Post by laughter on Aug 5, 2013 9:49:25 GMT -5
Greetings.. jeez OHC, that's an impossible task isn't it? I mean, E and Laffy gave as good a 'definition' as you'll likely get ... "Not-Two" but what does that mean, what does it 'point to'? I haven't had the Realization which dissolves the question, so I don't know what any of this nonduality talk really means, or what "to do" about it (which as we've all heard, is "nothing") so I've decided to relax and enjoy the show, try to 'see clearly' as much as possible, and then gently resume focus and attention when I 'fall off the wagon'. ;-) as an aside, Tzu's crusade against "beliefs" seems comical at this point. If you 'think' that's comical, you should have the clarity to see 'what is'.. you should observe individuals agreeing to 'believe' there is 'not two', even as their agreements and the disagreements of others confirms the absurdity of attaching to the belief of a condition described as 'not two'.. unless they simply don't understand how to articulate awareness beyond 'two', so.. what 'is', is oneness AND manyness existing simultaneously, and which or both are experienced by virtue of where we choose to place our attention/awareness.. Be well.. As far as "Tzu's beliefs" are concerned. THIS and THIS are "what is". Now Tzu' ... you tell me what "belief" I've stated here.
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Post by laughter on Aug 5, 2013 9:50:47 GMT -5
you're an annoying little sh!t, you psychopathological troll ;-) sure I've read many "enlightenment stories", and a recurring theme seems to be .. 'the see-er and seen' are Known to be "One" but writing this, or anything else, does not constitute carrying around some kind of "a belief" How sweet. Reefs taught farmer a new word. I don't know many people who walk around reciting the 'see-er and seen' thing to themselves as they go about their daily lives. Who in the hell has time for beliefs such as these? It's simple. But not any simpler than that. simple is as simple does
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 9:53:53 GMT -5
How sweet. Reefs taught farmer a new word. I don't know many people who walk around reciting the 'see-er and seen' thing to themselves as they go about their daily lives. Who in the hell has time for beliefs such as these? It's simple. But not any simpler than that. simple is as simple does You'll get there
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Post by laughter on Aug 5, 2013 10:37:19 GMT -5
Well yes of course, predictable is as predictable does as well.
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 5, 2013 10:42:04 GMT -5
Greetings.. jeez OHC, that's an impossible task isn't it? I mean, E and Laffy gave as good a 'definition' as you'll likely get ... "Not-Two" but what does that mean, what does it 'point to'? I haven't had the Realization which dissolves the question, so I don't know what any of this nonduality talk really means, or what "to do" about it (which as we've all heard, is "nothing") so I've decided to relax and enjoy the show, try to 'see clearly' as much as possible, and then gently resume focus and attention when I 'fall off the wagon'. ;-) as an aside, Tzu's crusade against "beliefs" seems comical at this point. If you 'think' that's comical, you should have the clarity to see 'what is'.. you should observe individuals agreeing to 'believe' there is 'not two', even as their agreements and the disagreements of others confirms the absurdity of attaching to the belief of a condition described as 'not two'.. unless they simply don't understand how to articulate awareness beyond 'two', so.. what 'is', is oneness AND manyness existing simultaneously, and which or both are experienced by virtue of where we choose to place our attention/awareness.. Be well.. Yes, oneness and manyness are inextricably and forever interdependent, and cannot exist without the other.. I like to think about it in terms of math. There's also the "zero" which is nothing, but everything: it's the relative point which anchors all the other infinite numbers...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 10:45:16 GMT -5
Well yes of course, predictable is as predictable does as well. Right. It's the driving force behind what you post here. But you can't walk it. Neither can your colleagues.
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Post by laughter on Aug 5, 2013 10:54:44 GMT -5
Well yes of course, predictable is as predictable does as well. Right. It's the driving force behind what you post here. But you can't walk it. Neither can your colleagues. yup, a troll is as a troll does.
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Post by silver on Aug 5, 2013 11:02:08 GMT -5
This whole shlemiel is a rather well thought out plan. You said "try to see clearly as possible." How the hell are you gonna do that? Try to pick up a pencil. You either pick it up, or you do not. There is no "try." The Realization that dissolves the question.... That's a good one. Where'd ya read that? Tzu's 'beliefs' my foot... you're an annoying little sh!t, you psychopathological troll ;-) ... That's the spirit!
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