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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Aug 9, 2013 15:30:33 GMT -5
What's your point with that little "let's say" story? The professor was right and gramps is wrong.
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Post by onehandclapping on Aug 9, 2013 15:37:08 GMT -5
What's your point with that little "let's say" story? The professor was right and gramps is wrong. Eppi pen, I don't know who the professor and gramps are.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 22:32:38 GMT -5
I'm actually not creating or doing anything... I'm pointing out to you that there is nothing but belief, including the belief that there is something that cannot be expressed with words... You believe in something abstract that has no color, no form, no solidity, no attributes, nothingness...which is perfectly okay... I'm pointing out to you that we are actually percievers and not believers... Didn't I already agree with you a few posts back that under your definition, yes it's all beliefs? You say we are percievers but yet by your own definition that is a belief and not true either...... It's not my definition, it's what we all perceive... I haven't said that beliefs weren't true, so you'll have to take that up with whoever said that...
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Post by onehandclapping on Aug 10, 2013 7:19:59 GMT -5
Didn't I already agree with you a few posts back that under your definition, yes it's all beliefs? You say we are percievers but yet by your own definition that is a belief and not true either...... It's not my definition, it's what we all perceive... I haven't said that beliefs weren't true, so you'll have to take that up with whoever said that... You keep contradicting yourself TRF.... "It's what we all perceive" is a belief under your definition we have been working with in this thread. It's almost like you are trying to point to something that the word perceive points towards.... :x
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Post by silence on Aug 10, 2013 15:25:33 GMT -5
It's not my definition, it's what we all perceive... I haven't said that beliefs weren't true, so you'll have to take that up with whoever said that... You keep contradicting yourself TRF.... "It's what we all perceive" is a belief under your definition we have been working with in this thread. It's almost like you are trying to point to something that the word perceive points towards.... :x If you look at A Course In Miracles you'll understand TRF's obsession with particular wording. Especially Perceptions/perceive.
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Post by onehandclapping on Aug 10, 2013 17:42:04 GMT -5
You keep contradicting yourself TRF.... "It's what we all perceive" is a belief under your definition we have been working with in this thread. It's almost like you are trying to point to something that the word perceive points towards.... :x If you look at A Course In Miracles you'll understand TRF's obsession with particular wording. Especially Perceptions/perceive. *takes a sip of water* Gosh some peeps like to make life difficult for themselves.....
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Post by Ishtahota on Aug 11, 2013 10:20:37 GMT -5
Course in Miracles = Coarse in Megapoo
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Post by silence on Aug 11, 2013 12:12:52 GMT -5
If you look at A Course In Miracles you'll understand TRF's obsession with particular wording. Especially Perceptions/perceive. *takes a sip of water* Gosh some peeps like to make life difficult for themselves..... It's learned very early on that complex thinking is critical for solving problems. You see tremendous achievements in all areas of human life as a result of complex thinking and so to turn away from this process in relation to what's seen as the most complex of all problems (life) seems completely absurd. What finally allows people to stop looking "there" is a bit of a mystery but it's unmistakable when it clicks. In that moment, one regains the true authority of their intelligence. The intelligence that was supremely present before absolute faith was given to mind.
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Post by someNOTHING! on Aug 11, 2013 17:58:09 GMT -5
Between Einstein and Serena Williams, be it on clay, grass or concrete, my money's on the athlete. Actually they did tests that imply that athletes in complex sports have above normal intelligence. In running, jumping and these kinds of "stupid" sports they don't need a lot of intelligence. But in soccer or tennis, where intellect is very much required the best players are very intelligent. In contemporary soccer the most intelligent are usually the playmakers on the six (Lampard, Xavi, Gündogan, Pirlo, etc), because on this position athleticism is not enough, you need to read the opponent, adjust to the dynamics, coordinate your own team, you need to have studied all possible situations in training because during the game you just can't make these kinds of decisions based on instinct, they are too complex. In contemporary soccer the difference in athleticism is very small, they are all very fast, strong, they have good stamina, they all have good enough technique, the most important part in todays game is mental discipline and understanding of strategy, spatial awareness, outsmarting the opponent, quickly picking up on the opponent's small weaknesses and figuring out a way to exploit them. These are all functions of actual "cognitive" intelligence, not merely body intelligence. plato.stanford.edu/entries/embodied-cognition/Here ya go Q (I think).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 20:22:54 GMT -5
It's not my definition, it's what we all perceive... I haven't said that beliefs weren't true, so you'll have to take that up with whoever said that... You keep contradicting yourself TRF.... "It's what we all perceive" is a belief under your definition we have been working with in this thread. It's almost like you are trying to point to something that the word perceive points towards.... :x How is that a contradiction? I never said that I was outside belief, although there are folks who believe that they are... I've stated there is nothing but belief, including abstract, existential and non-existential beliefs which some folks believe are not beliefs, myself included... I'm saying what we are is not this believing that the attention is fixated upon... So whatever is real in what we believe to be 'our' lives 'is' real because we believe it is real... And each believed moment is perfect because we are percievers and not believers...
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Post by onehandclapping on Aug 12, 2013 15:17:19 GMT -5
You keep contradicting yourself TRF.... "It's what we all perceive" is a belief under your definition we have been working with in this thread. It's almost like you are trying to point to something that the word perceive points towards.... :x How is that a contradiction? I never said that I was outside belief, although there are folks who believe that they are... I've stated there is nothing but belief, including abstract, existential and non-existential beliefs which some folks believe are not beliefs, myself included... I'm saying what we are is not this believing that the attention is fixated upon... So whatever is real in what we believe to be 'our' lives 'is' real because we believe it is real... And each believed moment is perfect because we are percievers and not believers... I disagree with that. There is something that all beliefs appear upon. Even the belief that there is something that all beliefs appear upon....appears upon THAT... THAT is not a belief..... I do get where you are coming from with the whatever we think is real is real part. Although a follow up question would be....Is there a "canvas" on which everything appears that is common to everyone, and that that "backdrop" is ultimately, the only "real" thing, there really is? hahaha, that's a wordy question for me so I'm not sure it makes sense but I guess I'll throw it out there.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 22:57:27 GMT -5
How is that a contradiction? I never said that I was outside belief, although there are folks who believe that they are... I've stated there is nothing but belief, including abstract, existential and non-existential beliefs which some folks believe are not beliefs, myself included... I'm saying what we are is not this believing that the attention is fixated upon... So whatever is real in what we believe to be 'our' lives 'is' real because we believe it is real... And each believed moment is perfect because we are percievers and not believers... I disagree with that. There is something that all beliefs appear upon. Even the belief that there is something that all beliefs appear upon....appears upon THAT... THAT is not a belief..... I do get where you are coming from with the whatever we think is real is real part. Although a follow up question would be....Is there a "canvas" on which everything appears that is common to everyone, and that that "backdrop" is ultimately, the only "real" thing, there really is? hahaha, that's a wordy question for me so I'm not sure it makes sense but I guess I'll throw it out there..... I accept the belief that there is something being pointed to that all beliefs appear upon, and that 'it' is not a belief... So it seems very real and the only way it can be real is if it is believed by you... We are perceivers, and the you that believes what you are saying is also a belief... It's perfection in that there is only beliefs and the biggest belief is a you that has a choice in what is believed... We don't...we are perceivers not believers...
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Post by onehandclapping on Aug 12, 2013 23:24:41 GMT -5
I disagree with that. There is something that all beliefs appear upon. Even the belief that there is something that all beliefs appear upon....appears upon THAT... THAT is not a belief..... I do get where you are coming from with the whatever we think is real is real part. Although a follow up question would be....Is there a "canvas" on which everything appears that is common to everyone, and that that "backdrop" is ultimately, the only "real" thing, there really is? hahaha, that's a wordy question for me so I'm not sure it makes sense but I guess I'll throw it out there..... I accept the belief that there is something being pointed to that all beliefs appear upon, and that 'it' is not a belief... So it seems very real and the only way it can be real is if it is believed by you... We are perceivers, and the you that believes what you are saying is also a belief... It's perfection in that there is only beliefs and the biggest belief is a you that has a choice in what is believed... We don't...we are perceivers not believers... I get the first line and then you lose me dude...... Was this a post where you wrote: 1st line.....1 glass in. 2nd line.....2 glasses in. 3rd line.....3 glasses in. 4th line.....floor. 5th line.....after coming back to. Who's the "we" you keep referring? Who are these perceivers? Didn't we establish that there isn't "only beliefs" in the first line just to then be tossed aside by line 3?!?!?! TMT dude..... or TMDrinking....
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Post by laughter on Aug 12, 2013 23:36:12 GMT -5
I accept the belief that there is something being pointed to that all beliefs appear upon, and that 'it' is not a belief... So it seems very real and the only way it can be real is if it is believed by you... We are perceivers, and the you that believes what you are saying is also a belief... It's perfection in that there is only beliefs and the biggest belief is a you that has a choice in what is believed... We don't...we are perceivers not believers... I get the first line and then you lose me dude...... Was this a post where you wrote: 1st line.....1 glass in. 2nd line.....2 glasses in. 3rd line.....3 glasses in. 4th line.....floor. 5th line.....after coming back to. Who's the "we" you keep referring? Who are these perceivers? Didn't we establish that there isn't "only beliefs" in the first line just to then be tossed aside by line 3?!?!?! TMT dude..... or TMDrinking.... ... ok guys ... I offer you the lure of the sweet rebliefiness to be had by just agreeing to call everything a perceiftion ...
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Post by onehandclapping on Aug 14, 2013 23:45:13 GMT -5
I accept the belief that there is something being pointed to that all beliefs appear upon, and that 'it' is not a belief... So it seems very real and the only way it can be real is if it is believed by you... We are perceivers, and the you that believes what you are saying is also a belief... It's perfection in that there is only beliefs and the biggest belief is a you that has a choice in what is believed... We don't...we are perceivers not believers... I get the first line and then you lose me dude...... Was this a post where you wrote: 1st line.....1 glass in. 2nd line.....2 glasses in. 3rd line.....3 glasses in. 4th line.....floor. 5th line.....after coming back to. Who's the "we" you keep referring? Who are these perceivers? Didn't we establish that there isn't "only beliefs" in the first line just to then be tossed aside by line 3?!?!?! TMT dude..... or TMDrinking.... ... ok guys ... I offer you the lure of the sweet rebliefiness to be had by just agreeing to call everything a perceiftion ... Butt out Laffy! We got some serious wine and beer samadhi going on here!
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