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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 21:06:42 GMT -5
Please define nondualism. In 2 lines or so, briefly explain it? Is it in a dictionary? They should add it. if you had said, three lines I would have had a go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2013 21:10:03 GMT -5
Please define nondualism. In 2 lines or so, briefly explain it? Is it in a dictionary? They should add it. if you had said, three lines I would have had a go.
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Post by laughter on Aug 4, 2013 23:57:22 GMT -5
Please define nondualism. In 2 lines or so, briefly explain it? Is it in a dictionary? They should add it. I'd love to hear some of the peeps currently on here, E, Steve, Tzu, Laughter, Farmer, Ish... etc. What your definitions are.... My understanding is that it's the translation of the word "advaita" to a literal expression of "not-two". An important distinction to make is that not-two isn't one. In seeing One there are two. Any expression of information requires foreground and background and thereby starts with division. Without a split into at least two, there can be no expression of information. It's not possible to express what not-two points toward directly because any thought, any expression, any information is not-not-two.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 0:10:19 GMT -5
I'd love to hear some of the peeps currently on here, E, Steve, Tzu, Laughter, Farmer, Ish... etc. What your definitions are.... My understanding is that it's the translation of the word "advaita" to a literal expression of "not-two". An important distinction to make is that not-two isn't one. In seeing One there are two. Any expression of information requires foreground and background and thereby starts with division. Without a split into at least two, there can be no expression of information. It's not possible to express what not-two points toward directly because any thought, any expression, any information is not-not-two. well said... in seeing from within the mind there are two, not One which YOU is not me.
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Post by onehandclapping on Aug 5, 2013 0:33:20 GMT -5
Greetings.. Please define nondualism. In 2 lines or so, briefly explain it? Is it in a dictionary? They should add it. Nondualism is the 'belief' that nonduality is truth, or that it is "the case right now".. Nonduality is the concept used to encompass what is actually happening, when what is actually happening exceeds the awareness capacity of the observer.. The dependence on rigid adherence to labels and concepts, like 'truth' and 'nonduality', results in attachments to beliefs about the concepts, rather than an unconditional acceptance of clarity as the fundamental means of revealing what 'is'.. Nonduality is dependent upon faith and belief in someone's description of its meaning.. again, i suggest that a 'still mind' reveals what 'is' without dependence on conceptual descriptions about what 'is'.. Be well.. Interesting that you think that. It would explain a lot of your interactions with folks..... Saying "non-duality is truth" is an oxymoron isn't it? If someone "believed" that, then it would be obvious that they don't actually believe it.... So your bit that non-duality is dependent upon faith and belief doesn't really make much sense to me....
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Post by laughter on Aug 5, 2013 0:35:26 GMT -5
My understanding is that it's the translation of the word "advaita" to a literal expression of "not-two". An important distinction to make is that not-two isn't one. In seeing One there are two. Any expression of information requires foreground and background and thereby starts with division. Without a split into at least two, there can be no expression of information. It's not possible to express what not-two points toward directly because any thought, any expression, any information is not-not-two. well said... in seeing from within the mind there are two, not One which YOU is not me. the dagger cannot cut itself the teeth cannot bite themselves the fish hears a rumor of water and swims away since you are none of these yous but not nothing just put the dagger down take a breath and simply be
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Post by onehandclapping on Aug 5, 2013 0:38:54 GMT -5
well said... in seeing from within the mind there are two, not One which YOU is not me. the dagger cannot cut itself the teeth cannot bite themselves the fish hears a rumor of water and swims away since you are none of these yous but not nothing just put the dagger down take a breath and simply be The fish hears rumor or water and swims away. Hahaha. I heard rumors of my Internet being shut off and
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Post by onehandclapping on Aug 5, 2013 0:43:56 GMT -5
Nonduality is not fundamentally a philosophy or belief system, and so 'nondualism' already seems like a mischaracterization. Nonduality simply says there is not two. We can and do go on infinitely talking about the implications of that, but there (purposely) isn't any more to it. Welcome back to the unmoderated moderated section! This is hard for many folks to understand. Especially when viewed through the mind.... To them it sure looks like you believe something.
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Post by laughter on Aug 5, 2013 0:45:07 GMT -5
the dagger cannot cut itself the teeth cannot bite themselves the fish hears a rumor of water and swims away since you are none of these yous but not nothing just put the dagger down take a breath and simply be The fish hears rumor or water and swims away. Hahaha. I heard rumors of my Internet being shut off and two words: cybernetic implants ...
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Post by laughter on Aug 5, 2013 0:53:54 GMT -5
Nonduality is not fundamentally a philosophy or belief system, and so 'nondualism' already seems like a mischaracterization. Nonduality simply says there is not two. We can and do go on infinitely talking about the implications of that, but there (purposely) isn't any more to it. Welcome back to the unmoderated moderated section! This is hard for many folks to understand. Especially when viewed through the mind.... To them it sure looks like you believe something. It's not like they have to take your word about whether you're speaking based on a belief system or not ... when there's a conceptual model that one is relying on it seems to assert itself eventually one way or another in the course of the conversation. pointers are pokey and sharp wave'em around for a lark! if in the way a person will say stop! this hurts a whole lot! The invitation to the mind to lunge at conceptual expression that points away from the conceptual is an allure that just can't be resisted if that's where one dwells. The straw that is the house starts to rattle and that means there's just got to be a wolf outside!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 8:20:55 GMT -5
cant be, I know females that are artists
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2013 8:42:41 GMT -5
Please define nondualism. In 2 lines or so, briefly explain it? Is it in a dictionary? They should add it. I'd love to hear some of the peeps currently on here, E, Steve, Tzu, Laughter, Farmer, Ish... etc. What your definitions are.... jeez OHC, that's an impossible task isn't it? I mean, E and Laffy gave as good a 'definition' as you'll likely get ... "Not-Two" but what does that mean, what does it 'point to'? I haven't had the Realization which dissolves the question, so I don't know what any of this nonduality talk really means, or what "to do" about it (which as we've all heard, is "nothing") so I've decided to relax and enjoy the show, try to 'see clearly' as much as possible, and then gently resume focus and attention when I 'fall off the wagon'. ;-) as an aside, Tzu's crusade against "beliefs" seems comical at this point.
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