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Post by lopezcabellero on Dec 2, 2019 1:06:30 GMT -5
Yea an anti thought mentality is often just a split mind identified as a thought controller. Think when you want to. Don’t think when you don’t want to. ( which is what’s going on already anyway ) If you’re thinking and don’t want to be, that’s inner division, or an underlying emotional issue. That’s when meditation practices start, to get rid of unwanted emotions, which never works, but does create a side effect and the enlightened ego issue, which can last a lifetime apparently. Tolle's question about "have you found the off switch?" was one that I found a non-issue when I first read it. I'd never considered thought to be a problem, but I guess some people sometimes do. In retrospect, I can see that insomnia was related to the issue. But the flip side is that I wasn't conscious of a sense of identity that had at it's foundation a baseline mental/emotional inner-tension. It is the complete and utter absence of that - which can be temporary, or it can be permanent - that rezzes with me in all the discussions about being able to "stop thinking". It's not the cessation of thought that matters, it's the cessation of identifying with the false, which happens mostly unconsciously. The endless stream of thought and emotion is just a byproduct. Beyond that, some people with no reference for it can mistake the descriptions for a blanked-out state of mind - some with a positive outlook, some negative. Still others have deep experiential points of reference for it in terms of surrendered action, but object to the implications of the falseness of the "little-me". Amen Honoluyah um, yea I mean maybe slowing down freight train mind is a good thing, but if it’s being driven by a lifetime of betrayal, abuse, and neglect, we ought take care to not equate a still mind as a solution. Consciousness of emotional avoidance is the only freedom from emotions avoided. Perdoname, only lasting freedom, Amen Honolulu,
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Post by lopezcabellero on Dec 2, 2019 1:12:49 GMT -5
And not to discount presence or putting all your attention in what you’re doing. If you can get lost in an activity your results or output will be more efficient than when you’re daydreaming or worried about what happened yesterday. But excessive worry or inability to concentrate result from minds emotional management strategies, that obviously don’t work because they are an expression of self avoidance and thus create a projected sense of division. Not thinking isn’t going to cure that dysfunction. Becoming conscious will. On the flip side, the more conscious you are the more in harmony with universal intelligence you will be. Your desires won’t be an expression of seeking or avoidance and so when you need something a wave of synchronicity will allow it to arrive, not because a desire was forced in to the matrix, but rather discovered through interaction with it.Yeah, that's an inclusive way of understanding it. These kinds of needs have an inevitability within them. There is a physical response felt, when such needs arise that is akin to excitement and a magnetic pull in the plexus let's the mind know that these needs are a given. Upon the arrival of these needs, a ripple of appreciation and a lowering of the brow in honour of the perfection behind these happenings, are equally enjoyable. Ok nice.
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Post by lopezcabellero on Dec 2, 2019 1:20:05 GMT -5
Yea an anti thought mentality is often just a split mind identified as a thought controller. Think when you want to. Don’t think when you don’t want to. ( which is what’s going on already anyway ) If you’re thinking and don’t want to be, that’s inner division, or an underlying emotional issue. That’s when meditation practices start, to get rid of unwanted emotions, which never works, but does create a side effect and the enlightened ego issue, which can last a lifetime apparently. Your thoughts took a dark turn as you were wrapping up. You say tomato I say tomato.
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Post by lopezcabellero on Dec 2, 2019 1:21:25 GMT -5
Your thoughts took a dark turn as you were wrapping up. Maybe it's an unresolved emotional issue. Maybe not.
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Post by lopezcabellero on Dec 2, 2019 1:55:34 GMT -5
And not to discount presence or putting all your attention in what you’re doing. If you can get lost in an activity your results or output will be more efficient than when you’re daydreaming or worried about what happened yesterday. But excessive worry or inability to concentrate result from minds emotional management strategies, that obviously don’t work because they are an expression of self avoidance and thus create a projected sense of division. Not thinking isn’t going to cure that dysfunction. Becoming conscious will. On the flip side, the more conscious you are the more in harmony with universal intelligence you will be. Your desires won’t be an expression of seeking or avoidance and so when you need something a wave of synchronicity will allow it to arrive, not because a desire was forced in to the matrix, but rather discovered through interaction with it. I just wonder why your critique always points out, towards others. The notion of sharing seems to be quite foreign. What emotional management strategies do you employ? If I was aware of an emotion to be managed, most of my attention would be on release of that emotion. And if I couldn’t get to it, I would pray for an experience to trigger it, such that the idea of managing an emotion would be undesirable. A mind can only manage an emotion that isnt conscious or processed, and when the avoidance strategies aren’t there, the emotion expresses itself. in my lifetime, which is maybe what you’re asking, I’ve used all sorts of avoidance strategies. And never really even thought of most of them that way because I was so desensitized. Excessive exercise, using food or recreational substances to medicate, meditation, depending on what was trending with the facade. Even reading, or working, can be used to avoid emotions. When you are detuned, emotions can be so far removed from your sphere of consciousness, that it can take years to get into causal emotions. Personality addictions can be tougher to get to, but always mask pain. Forum posting, for example, can be a form of addiction. Expecting the universe to provide you what you need when the only reason you need it is because of your own unconsciousness, can be an addiction. The list could go on and on. Mostly everything someone does in the unconscious state involves to some degree the avoidance of emotion. Otherwise you wouldn’t be doing it, you would be releasing the emotion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 7:56:52 GMT -5
I just wonder why your critique always points out, towards others. The notion of sharing seems to be quite foreign. What emotional management strategies do you employ? If I was aware of an emotion to be managed, most of my attention would be on release of that emotion. And if I couldn’t get to it, I would pray for an experience to trigger it, such that the idea of managing an emotion would be undesirable. A mind can only manage an emotion that isnt conscious or processed, and when the avoidance strategies aren’t there, the emotion expresses itself. in my lifetime, which is maybe what you’re asking, I’ve used all sorts of avoidance strategies. And never really even thought of most of them that way because I was so desensitized. Excessive exercise, using food or recreational substances to medicate, meditation, depending on what was trending with the facade. Even reading, or working, can be used to avoid emotions. When you are detuned, emotions can be so far removed from your sphere of consciousness, that it can take years to get into causal emotions. Personality addictions can be tougher to get to, but always mask pain. Forum posting, for example, can be a form of addiction. Expecting the universe to provide you what you need when the only reason you need it is because of your own unconsciousness, can be an addiction. The list could go on and on. Mostly everything someone does in the unconscious state involves to some degree the avoidance of emotion. Otherwise you wouldn’t be doing it, you would be releasing the emotion. How do you "release" your emotions? Is it a process, a practice? Do you face southeast to get energy from the mother ship, like Laughy does? Did you do so in therapy?
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Post by andrew on Dec 2, 2019 8:05:20 GMT -5
If I was aware of an emotion to be managed, most of my attention would be on release of that emotion. And if I couldn’t get to it, I would pray for an experience to trigger it, such that the idea of managing an emotion would be undesirable. A mind can only manage an emotion that isnt conscious or processed, and when the avoidance strategies aren’t there, the emotion expresses itself. in my lifetime, which is maybe what you’re asking, I’ve used all sorts of avoidance strategies. And never really even thought of most of them that way because I was so desensitized. Excessive exercise, using food or recreational substances to medicate, meditation, depending on what was trending with the facade. Even reading, or working, can be used to avoid emotions. When you are detuned, emotions can be so far removed from your sphere of consciousness, that it can take years to get into causal emotions. Personality addictions can be tougher to get to, but always mask pain. Forum posting, for example, can be a form of addiction. Expecting the universe to provide you what you need when the only reason you need it is because of your own unconsciousness, can be an addiction. The list could go on and on. Mostly everything someone does in the unconscious state involves to some degree the avoidance of emotion. Otherwise you wouldn’t be doing it, you would be releasing the emotion. How do you "release" your emotions? Is it a process, a practice? Do you face southeast to get energy from the mother ship, like Laughy does? Did you do so in therapy? over the years, I've found 'abject failing' to be a good emotional releaser. On the down side, this can't be contrived, it can only happen authentically. On the positive side, trying to contrive it will eventually lead to abject failure
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Post by zendancer on Dec 2, 2019 9:26:36 GMT -5
You say tomato I say tomato. Let's call the whole thing off
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Post by laughter on Dec 2, 2019 9:55:25 GMT -5
That's true, but I was referring to a cessation of mind talk. Mind talk is what I refer to as conscious thought (there is awareness of internal speech/thoughts about what's going on). It's possible for the dialogue to completely stop and to be fully aware of what's happening in total mental silence. That's what happened quite suddenly to Gary Weber and other people. For people pursuing specific meditative practices it can happen more gradually. Weber discovered that his ability to deal with work-related issues improved when the mind fell silent. That's what I was pointing to. Your definition of conscious thought seems like a lot of unconsciously driven stuff. To the extent mind talk includes self seeking, projection, self judgement, etc. - we might as well call that unconscious thought. This is a slippery slope of course, because no human is conscious of all the forces spawning thought intelligence, so there is a context in which all thinking is unconscious, I spose. I am sure we can all agree the issue of spiritual or emotional unconsciousness is directly linked to mind identification and psychic pollution. And so it’s probably a good idea to talk more about that. Absent the people-peep the Universe is a human humaning, and what I've read third-hand from what you've written of Jung, the "unconscious" takes on a different, neutral meaning from the one you're using it for in most of the rest of what you've written. When the core topic is being, this sort of meaning-flip is not uncommon.
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Post by laughter on Dec 2, 2019 9:58:16 GMT -5
Always liked Reefs' shorthand for this: "identity poker". I’ve played a few hands in my day 😂 Ain't noone who hasn't. Far future anthropologists -- assuming the apocalypticists are wrong -- will probably define our species by this characteristic.
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Post by enigma on Dec 2, 2019 18:52:48 GMT -5
That's true, but I was referring to a cessation of mind talk. Mind talk is what I refer to as conscious thought (there is awareness of internal speech/thoughts about what's going on). It's possible for the dialogue to completely stop and to be fully aware of what's happening in total mental silence. That's what happened quite suddenly to Gary Weber and other people. For people pursuing specific meditative practices it can happen more gradually. Weber discovered that his ability to deal with work-related issues improved when the mind fell silent. That's what I was pointing to. Your definition of conscious thought seems like a lot of unconsciously driven stuff. To the extent mind talk includes self seeking, projection, self judgement, etc. - we might as well call that unconscious thought. This is a slippery slope of course, because no human is conscious of all the forces spawning thought intelligence, so there is a context in which all thinking is unconscious, I spose. I am sure we can all agree the issue of spiritual or emotional unconsciousness is directly linked to mind identification and psychic pollution. And so it’s probably a good idea to talk more about that.The unconscious has a natural function, of course; to hold all the information we don't need to think about consciously. It's ZD's 'body intelligence' as far as I'm concerned. Problem is it's also a convenient place to hide the stuff we find disagreeable. The solution involves honesty, integrity and not a little courage.
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Post by lopezcabellero on Dec 3, 2019 2:43:01 GMT -5
Yea an anti thought mentality is often just a split mind identified as a thought controller. Think when you want to. Don’t think when you don’t want to. ( which is what’s going on already anyway ) If you’re thinking and don’t want to be, that’s inner division, or an underlying emotional issue. That’s when meditation practices start, to get rid of unwanted emotions, which never works, but does create a side effect and the enlightened ego issue, which can last a lifetime apparently. Absolutely. Thinking when you don't want to be is a split mind issue. Which seems to be the basis for a lot of these meditation practices. Maybe sadly some folks don’t realize that when they start a split mind meditation practice their mind opens up to dark influences (because the emotions at the root of the split mind aren’t being processed but avoided). This outside influence comes from the collective, seemingly of course, and arrives in order to compensate or bolster up, but comes at the expense of control, or loss of self. Hence, the term soul complex or loss of soul; it’s a loss of the individual grounded in disassociation combined with the reassociation to the compensation. The “new me” or as we often see here “enlightened self” can just be a coagulation of shadow material.
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Post by lopezcabellero on Dec 3, 2019 2:48:52 GMT -5
People who are attracted to a mind state absent thought may also be the ones most afraid of their own conditioning. The reason there is an attraction to thought free awareness is that it is bliss, because bliss consciousness or transcendental consciousness is your natural state prior to mind and all phenomena. It's not difficult to show that long-term practitioners report a significant loss of their personal fears as they become increasingly connected with the ground state of Being. What if your attraction to thought free awareness was actually an attraction of a spirit to your body? Meaning you are attracted to thought free awareness by fear of your conditioning and a spirit is cloaking your body mind because you aren’t processing that fear.
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Post by lopezcabellero on Dec 3, 2019 2:54:07 GMT -5
Um, it’s your mind that’s starting and stopping the thinking. And it starts and stops based on conditioning. Absolutely. The next time you move your arm you will see there is no one doing it. Not sure how this relates back, but yea all just programming being programmed by a program, which happens to all be one, um, intelligence!
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Post by lopezcabellero on Dec 3, 2019 3:02:25 GMT -5
If I was aware of an emotion to be managed, most of my attention would be on release of that emotion. And if I couldn’t get to it, I would pray for an experience to trigger it, such that the idea of managing an emotion would be undesirable. A mind can only manage an emotion that isnt conscious or processed, and when the avoidance strategies aren’t there, the emotion expresses itself. in my lifetime, which is maybe what you’re asking, I’ve used all sorts of avoidance strategies. And never really even thought of most of them that way because I was so desensitized. Excessive exercise, using food or recreational substances to medicate, meditation, depending on what was trending with the facade. Even reading, or working, can be used to avoid emotions. When you are detuned, emotions can be so far removed from your sphere of consciousness, that it can take years to get into causal emotions. Personality addictions can be tougher to get to, but always mask pain. Forum posting, for example, can be a form of addiction. Expecting the universe to provide you what you need when the only reason you need it is because of your own unconsciousness, can be an addiction. The list could go on and on. Mostly everything someone does in the unconscious state involves to some degree the avoidance of emotion. Otherwise you wouldn’t be doing it, you would be releasing the emotion. How do you "release" your emotions? Is it a process, a practice? Do you face southeast to get energy from the mother ship, like Laughy does? Did you do so in therapy? I appreciate you asking this. It’s not something the intellect is going to achieve through thinking, but rather something that happens through willingness to feel. As far as processing, this willingness implicitly was not present during the unconscious mind identified state of our lives. So, one must first notice the unwillingness to feel what’s going on in our experience. Emotions themselves become layered by our minds over time. The inability to process the loss of a loved one as a child or young adult may manifest later in life as resentment, inferiority, anger, insecurity, etc. By going into those feelings, not with the intellect, but through feeling what it’s like to feel insecure, vulnerable, and even resentful or angry, the onion can start to peel itself. Underneath that type of energy you will find the emotions in their rawest form, like pain or grief. Bare in mind this whole process is prevented by the facade, which is the identity we create unconsciously to avoid what we don’t want to feel. So step one would be facade dismantling, which I can talk about more.
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