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Post by lopezcabellero on Oct 30, 2019 17:58:02 GMT -5
Eckhart Tolle said he once noticed ego in a young child not just as a sense of me but a sense of mine. It's my toy and you can't play with it. But what is going on beneath the conscious thinking. Well, that's going to depend, but dynamically we'll be looking at the same thing.
There's really 3 dynamics you have to study (be conscious of) if you want to purify consciousness from the delusion of being trapped inside a world as a thinking and feeling entity, even though you appear TO BE a thinking and feeling entity and will continue to as long as the vital breath is drawn. Those 3 dynamics are projection, repression, and compensation. These are actions your mind can take.
These actions are emotional management activities. They operate in tandem so that you feel better as a human by disallowing negative feelings. Disallowing or repression can take the subtle form of an association or a more blatant form of an experiential block. In the former, we unconsciously deny associations as we age in order to protect ourselves from emotions we have no capacity to process, because we aren't conscious of what emotional processing is due to the fact we aren't even conscious that emotions can be managed without conscious aforethought. Experiential blocks are more like traumas.
Compensation is something that transpires after we've already repressed emotion. A man unloved by his mother as a child can compensate as an adult by finding many sexual partners, in a blind attempt to find freedom from the pain that the mind is in the process of avoiding (the feeling of being unloved). Compensation is a movement away from emotion, and thus a movement away from freedom, but is the primary driving force behind self seeking. Someone who needs instant gratification is in the grips of a compensatory movement.
Projection has been talked about a lot, mostly in the sense of seeing an injury in someone else that actually exists in the viewing party. But there's also the possibility of projecting an emotion externally, and then seeking that emotion to compensate for the emotional injury itself. In this way, the woman on the quest for the new BMW is actually looking for her own pain in a blind attempt to be happy. The BMW provides a temporary respite, but as the causal emotion isn't healed, only projected and sought out in compensatory form, the respite is followed by a depression of the emotion which can lead to its expression in consciousness or re-projection without consciousness. As the emotion has been 'layered' with an association (the BMW), expression would involve loss (partial expression by no means a healing) or spontaneous reverse compartmentalization to the core pain (healing). We could even say her law of attraction has been programmed to create lose so that she can eventually be free, but that has more to do with human capacity for avoidance reaching a limit than a Malevolent God who wants to burn all your houses.
Seeing these dynamics is one thing, but realizing they've actually created an identity structure called 'me and who I am' can result in a feeling of being overwhelmed, because as we project and seek, we also blindly associate our experiences and the world of form with attachment and a sense of self. This can even happen on a spiritual level, as we associate our unresolved pain with the idea of being an aware creator. And so, purifying consciousness from mind created delusions can take a bit of clocktime.
Regardless, there are such things as desires in harmony with your experiential unfolding that don't lead to the emotional need to reproject or recreate in order to re-escape. You could mark that as the alignment of your inner and outer purpose, and we can maybe talk about that some other day.
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Post by lopezcabellero on Nov 8, 2019 8:22:08 GMT -5
For a follow up post, I’d like to bring some consciousness to the adverse effects of living within the mind Id complex, as well as share some insight about the benefits of getting out of it.
We discussed 3 core dynamics of the complex, which on a fundamental level boil down to forms of experiential avoidance. But at the end of the day, if we can, as human beings, avoid feeling how we don’t want to feel, then why would anyone want to be conscious of avoided feelings? The answer to that is to reverse degradation. On a deeper level, the expression of avoided feelings comes about through the willingness to feel them, which may present itself with consciousness of avoidance dynamics, as well as the potential which lies beyond.
The cumulative effects of repression or self aversion lead to vibrational attraction of conditions which compensate what we have an aversion to. Someone who felt no security as a child may create a world of things to make himself feel better, or at the very least, a world of beliefs to hide within so that feelings of insecurity remain beyond the witnessed fabric. This compensation, which may take the form of material abundance, but can also take the form of belief in an afterlife, a smoking hot bod, or an overvaluation of thought structure itself, is essentially entangled with a compensatory dynamic, and so must be maintained and progressed by either gaining more things, or sharing the word so that others can provide you with a feeling of sufficiency through either their demonstration of ignorance in disagreement ( which may not be ignorance at all) or elation through and elevation through a combined desire to avoid what’s true and live through a not quite dead albeit never alive belief, or however else we may be compensating.
The way our conditioning functions, is such that the more we avoid and compensate, the more detuned we become to ourselves and the conditions around us. This leaves a spiritually debilitated vessel, because we have now sheltered the truth behind false ideas, and because of our innate vulnerabilities, will defend our ideas with anger and denial. These defense mechanisms are toxic to not only the form but also the environment, such that the potential to link passion to desire becomes discombobulated by a feedback mechanism grounded on personal output. Put simply, if your mind wants to be unconscious ( self aversion, self seeking, projection, etc,) then obviously the universe or your present moment condition is providing you with more ideas to war and entangle self conflict with.
If you notice there, we aren’t suggesting causation, but a reciprocal dynamic between what the universe serves up versus how your mind is conditioned to operate.
The only way to get your will back is to gain consciousness of what’s going on, which your mind, and we could even say the unconscious conditioned mold, doesn’t want you to. There is a momentum to unconsciousness, that doesn’t affect pure untainted observation. However, going against the grain of the conditioned mold will trigger avoided stuff, and the release of that stuff will bring you into harmony with an intelligence you are walled off from in the egoic state. It’s where all the good stuff about awakening is and where any of the bad stuff cannot possibly be. It is the transcendence of duality itself, the loss of the compulsion to manage one’s feeling state Because consciousness is not in the feeling state. And so to realize oneself is not to gain a new identity, but to shake off a false one. Which makes a bettererer experience in a number of ways.
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Post by lopezcabellero on Nov 23, 2019 14:53:48 GMT -5
Let's define ego momentarily as an identification with a thinking/emoting body/mind driven by a pathological form of self denial. We looked at projection, repression, and compensation, as core dynamics of this self denial, but apart from making conscious these dynamics, what can really be done with a crusty ego?
Welp, dismantling the ego will happen spontaneously with consciousness of its inner workings, but to the extent forces drive your mind to externalize what's taking place beneath the surface, is to the same extent you are in vibrational harmony with co-dependent addictions. We often mistake co-dependent addiction for happiness, and so you'd be wise to trust no man or woman who sells you a recipe for happiness, even if it's a recipe for self realization.
Someone may dump all their problems on you and praise you as a good listener, which may be an addiction you have, which is a compensation for an emotion you have. Meaning, you are addicted to listening to and empathizing with the problems of others because it places you in position of being the one with the answers, like a mother or father or more pointedly like a god or controlling force. Such an addiction is often driven by an emotion of pain, namely, the pain of not having a mother or father that listened to you, or a god that provided alignment with your own selfish childhood fantasies, driven by the fear and emotion of not being in control. And so you listen but you don't really empathize, because you are seeking avoidance of an emotion which actually harms the people you think you can help. Both the psychiatrist and the patient get what they want, mutual compensation for unsolved injuries, while the mind identification complex remains fundamentally untouched, and children swim in the rain water in the crater left by yesterday's mortar attack while the villagers are still looking for their mother's missing head.
Anger is a clear sign of a personality addiction not being met. Interestingly, anger can also be used to get personality addictions met. Anger can also be used to erase yourself from the dreams of others, particularly if your anger is a reaction to someone else's unconscious pain being projected at you. As anger can be an outlet for pain we are yet to recognize, the split mind tendency to judge the angry person is laced with unjustified self blame, and yet who is culpable if not you? And so we aren't promoting anger, but rather, seeing why its there, what's beneath the surface, and how to process what's there. Expressing anger in resistance to pain or in the wake of not getting a personality addiction met is virtually implicit in weeding out the mind identification complex. You will notice, however, the more conscious you are, and the more sensitive to your emotions you become, getting into core causal emotions like sadness and grief won't require weeks or months, and can take place in seconds or minutes, without anger, and I might even say through the temporary suppression of anger to avoid harming others. Once of course, you learn to process your emotions, which has a lot more to do with absences than the presence of a how to guide for your mind to be a processor.
The benefits of dismantling your ego stems from the presence of emotional vectors in harmony with your heart being in free flow exchange with the conditions emanating from it or around it, the creative force waking up to itself as a refraction of bursting light into gobs of manifestation. The idea you are a person that could desire something is redundant, and yet your conditioning in conscious form couldn't be more interconnected with the universe experiencing your body in some other way, which is to say, through the mind identification complex.
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Post by laughter on Nov 24, 2019 2:58:54 GMT -5
Let's define ego momentarily as an identification with a thinking/emoting body/mind driven by a pathological form of self denial. We looked at projection, repression, and compensation, as core dynamics of this self denial, but apart from making conscious these dynamics, what can really be done with a crusty ego? Welp, dismantling the ego will happen spontaneously with consciousness of its inner workings, but to the extent forces drive your mind to externalize what's taking place beneath the surface, is to the same extent you are in vibrational harmony with co-dependent addictions. We often mistake co-dependent addiction for happiness, and so you'd be wise to trust no man or woman who sells you a recipe for happiness, even if it's a recipe for self realization. Someone may dump all their problems on you and praise you as a good listener, which may be an addiction you have, which is a compensation for an emotion you have. Meaning, you are addicted to listening to and empathizing with the problems of others because it places you in position of being the one with the answers, like a mother or father or more pointedly like a god or controlling force. Such an addiction is often driven by an emotion of pain, namely, the pain of not having a mother or father that listened to you, or a god that provided alignment with your own selfish childhood fantasies, driven by the fear and emotion of not being in control. And so you listen but you don't really empathize, because you are seeking avoidance of an emotion which actually harms the people you think you can help. Both the psychiatrist and the patient get what they want, mutual compensation for unsolved injuries, while the mind identification complex remains fundamentally untouched, and children swim in the rain water in the crater left by yesterday's mortar attack while the villagers are still looking for their mother's missing head. Anger is a clear sign of a personality addiction not being met. Interestingly, anger can also be used to get personality addictions met. Anger can also be used to erase yourself from the dreams of others, particularly if your anger is a reaction to someone else's unconscious pain being projected at you. As anger can be an outlet for pain we are yet to recognize, the split mind tendency to judge the angry person is laced with unjustified self blame, and yet who is culpable if not you? And so we aren't promoting anger, but rather, seeing why its there, what's beneath the surface, and how to process what's there. Expressing anger in resistance to pain or in the wake of not getting a personality addiction met is virtually implicit in weeding out the mind identification complex. You will notice, however, the more conscious you are, and the more sensitive to your emotions you become, getting into core causal emotions like sadness and grief won't require weeks or months, and can take place in seconds or minutes, without anger, and I might even say through the temporary suppression of anger to avoid harming others. Once of course, you learn to process your emotions, which has a lot more to do with absences than the presence of a how to guide for your mind to be a processor.The benefits of dismantling your ego stems from the presence of emotional vectors in harmony with your heart being in free flow exchange with the conditions emanating from it or around it, the creative force waking up to itself as a refraction of bursting light into gobs of manifestation. The idea you are a person that could desire something is redundant, and yet your conditioning in conscious form couldn't be more interconnected with the universe experiencing your body in some other way, which is to say, through the mind identification complex. Yes, I find this to be very well expressed. The notion of suppression here is interesting though, and I would put that differently. What happens, is that as the conditioning plays itself out, it can be seen for what it is, and it no longer is able to move you. Now, to some extent, this sounds like an act of stoicism, or even spiritual bypassing, but the difference from that is stark, in terms of the absence of any internal resistance involved in letting the conditioned thought or emotion come and go without following it. Also, there's no denial of the content, no bottling of the energy of the reaction. As there's no cognitive dissonance between what is felt and the action taken (or not taken), there's no residual. And I wouldn't refer to this as dismantling the ego, and it's not anything I'd ever recommend to anyone else as an effortful process -- if it's not happening naturally in concordance with having realized the nature of the witness and/or the nature of the person and/or the nature of totality, then it's not really what I'm relating it to. I find that last sentence about the universe experiencing your body through the mind identification complex to be confusing, as, the way I think of that complex, it can only ever disconnect, and is, in fact, the relative root of all disconnection.
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Post by laughter on Nov 24, 2019 3:45:30 GMT -5
Eckhart Tolle said he once noticed ego in a young child not just as a sense of me but a sense of mine. It's my toy and you can't play with it. But what is going on beneath the conscious thinking. Well, that's going to depend, but dynamically we'll be looking at the same thing. There's really 3 dynamics you have to study (be conscious of) if you want to purify consciousness from the delusion of being trapped inside a world as a thinking and feeling entity, even though you appear TO BE a thinking and feeling entity and will continue to as long as the vital breath is drawn. Those 3 dynamics are projection, repression, and compensation. These are actions your mind can take. These actions are emotional management activities. They operate in tandem so that you feel better as a human by disallowing negative feelings. Disallowing or repression can take the subtle form of an association or a more blatant form of an experiential block. In the former, we unconsciously deny associations as we age in order to protect ourselves from emotions we have no capacity to process, because we aren't conscious of what emotional processing is due to the fact we aren't even conscious that emotions can be managed without conscious aforethought. Experiential blocks are more like traumas. Compensation is something that transpires after we've already repressed emotion. A man unloved by his mother as a child can compensate as an adult by finding many sexual partners, in a blind attempt to find freedom from the pain that the mind is in the process of avoiding (the feeling of being unloved). Compensation is a movement away from emotion, and thus a movement away from freedom, but is the primary driving force behind self seeking. Someone who needs instant gratification is in the grips of a compensatory movement. Projection has been talked about a lot, mostly in the sense of seeing an injury in someone else that actually exists in the viewing party. But there's also the possibility of projecting an emotion externally, and then seeking that emotion to compensate for the emotional injury itself. In this way, the woman on the quest for the new BMW is actually looking for her own pain in a blind attempt to be happy. The BMW provides a temporary respite, but as the causal emotion isn't healed, only projected and sought out in compensatory form, the respite is followed by a depression of the emotion which can lead to its expression in consciousness or re-projection without consciousness. As the emotion has been 'layered' with an association (the BMW), expression would involve loss (partial expression by no means a healing) or spontaneous reverse compartmentalization to the core pain (healing). We could even say her law of attraction has been programmed to create lose so that she can eventually be free, but that has more to do with human capacity for avoidance reaching a limit than a Malevolent God who wants to burn all your houses. Seeing these dynamics is one thing, but realizing they've actually created an identity structure called 'me and who I am' can result in a feeling of being overwhelmed, because as we project and seek, we also blindly associate our experiences and the world of form with attachment and a sense of self. This can even happen on a spiritual level, as we associate our unresolved pain with the idea of being an aware creator. And so, purifying consciousness from mind created delusions can take a bit of clocktime. Regardless, there are such things as desires in harmony with your experiential unfolding that don't lead to the emotional need to reproject or recreate in order to re-escape. You could mark that as the alignment of your inner and outer purpose, and we can maybe talk about that some other day. Hmmm, that's interesting, 'cause I can't relate, like, at all. For me that realization was incredibly freeing, although it wasn't when seeking ended, but rather, when seeking became conscious.
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Post by laughter on Nov 24, 2019 3:56:42 GMT -5
For a follow up post, I’d like to bring some consciousness to the adverse effects of living within the mind Id complex, as well as share some insight about the benefits of getting out of it. We discussed 3 core dynamics of the complex, which on a fundamental level boil down to forms of experiential avoidance. But at the end of the day, if we can, as human beings, avoid feeling how we don’t want to feel, then why would anyone want to be conscious of avoided feelings? The answer to that is to reverse degradation. On a deeper level, the expression of avoided feelings comes about through the willingness to feel them, which may present itself with consciousness of avoidance dynamics, as well as the potential which lies beyond. The cumulative effects of repression or self aversion lead to vibrational attraction of conditions which compensate what we have an aversion to. Someone who felt no security as a child may create a world of things to make himself feel better, or at the very least, a world of beliefs to hide within so that feelings of insecurity remain beyond the witnessed fabric. This compensation, which may take the form of material abundance, but can also take the form of belief in an afterlife, a smoking hot bod, or an overvaluation of thought structure itself, is essentially entangled with a compensatory dynamic, and so must be maintained and progressed by either gaining more things, or sharing the word so that others can provide you with a feeling of sufficiency through either their demonstration of ignorance in disagreement ( which may not be ignorance at all) or elation through and elevation through a combined desire to avoid what’s true and live through a not quite dead albeit never alive belief, or however else we may be compensating. The way our conditioning functions, is such that the more we avoid and compensate, the more detuned we become to ourselves and the conditions around us. This leaves a spiritually debilitated vessel, because we have now sheltered the truth behind false ideas, and because of our innate vulnerabilities, will defend our ideas with anger and denial. These defense mechanisms are toxic to not only the form but also the environment, such that the potential to link passion to desire becomes discombobulated by a feedback mechanism grounded on personal output. Put simply, if your mind wants to be unconscious ( self aversion, self seeking, projection, etc,) then obviously the universe or your present moment condition is providing you with more ideas to war and entangle self conflict with. If you notice there, we aren’t suggesting causation, but a reciprocal dynamic between what the universe serves up versus how your mind is conditioned to operate. The only way to get your will back is to gain consciousness of what’s going on, which your mind, and we could even say the unconscious conditioned mold, doesn’t want you to. There is a momentum to unconsciousness, that doesn’t affect pure untainted observation. However, going against the grain of the conditioned mold will trigger avoided stuff, and the release of that stuff will bring you into harmony with an intelligence you are walled off from in the egoic state. It’s where all the good stuff about awakening is and where any of the bad stuff cannot possibly be. It is the transcendence of duality itself, the loss of the compulsion to manage one’s feeling state Because consciousness is not in the feeling state. And so to realize oneself is not to gain a new identity, but to shake off a false one. Which makes a bettererer experience in a number of ways. Some of what you've written about avoiding conditions reminds me of some issues I have with the way LOA is sometimes interpreted, generally, but as far as this is concerned: it is Exzactomunifically so.
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Post by satchitananda on Nov 24, 2019 7:04:35 GMT -5
For a follow up post, I’d like to bring some consciousness to the adverse effects of living within the mind Id complex, as well as share some insight about the benefits of getting out of it. We discussed 3 core dynamics of the complex, which on a fundamental level boil down to forms of experiential avoidance. But at the end of the day, if we can, as human beings, avoid feeling how we don’t want to feel, then why would anyone want to be conscious of avoided feelings? The answer to that is to reverse degradation. On a deeper level, the expression of avoided feelings comes about through the willingness to feel them, which may present itself with consciousness of avoidance dynamics, as well as the potential which lies beyond. The cumulative effects of repression or self aversion lead to vibrational attraction of conditions which compensate what we have an aversion to. Someone who felt no security as a child may create a world of things to make himself feel better, or at the very least, a world of beliefs to hide within so that feelings of insecurity remain beyond the witnessed fabric. This compensation, which may take the form of material abundance, but can also take the form of belief in an afterlife, a smoking hot bod, or an overvaluation of thought structure itself, is essentially entangled with a compensatory dynamic, and so must be maintained and progressed by either gaining more things, or sharing the word so that others can provide you with a feeling of sufficiency through either their demonstration of ignorance in disagreement ( which may not be ignorance at all) or elation through and elevation through a combined desire to avoid what’s true and live through a not quite dead albeit never alive belief, or however else we may be compensating. The way our conditioning functions, is such that the more we avoid and compensate, the more detuned we become to ourselves and the conditions around us. This leaves a spiritually debilitated vessel, because we have now sheltered the truth behind false ideas, and because of our innate vulnerabilities, will defend our ideas with anger and denial. These defense mechanisms are toxic to not only the form but also the environment, such that the potential to link passion to desire becomes discombobulated by a feedback mechanism grounded on personal output. Put simply, if your mind wants to be unconscious ( self aversion, self seeking, projection, etc,) then obviously the universe or your present moment condition is providing you with more ideas to war and entangle self conflict with. If you notice there, we aren’t suggesting causation, but a reciprocal dynamic between what the universe serves up versus how your mind is conditioned to operate. The only way to get your will back is to gain consciousness of what’s going on, which your mind, and we could even say the unconscious conditioned mold, doesn’t want you to. There is a momentum to unconsciousness, that doesn’t affect pure untainted observation. However, going against the grain of the conditioned mold will trigger avoided stuff, and the release of that stuff will bring you into harmony with an intelligence you are walled off from in the egoic state. It’s where all the good stuff about awakening is and where any of the bad stuff cannot possibly be. It is the transcendence of duality itself, the loss of the compulsion to manage one’s feeling state Because consciousness is not in the feeling state. And so to realize oneself is not to gain a new identity, but to shake off a false one. Which makes a bettererer experience in a number of ways. Thankfully, waking up is so much simpler than this workshop manual suggests.
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Post by zendancer on Nov 24, 2019 9:39:17 GMT -5
For a follow up post, I’d like to bring some consciousness to the adverse effects of living within the mind Id complex, as well as share some insight about the benefits of getting out of it. We discussed 3 core dynamics of the complex, which on a fundamental level boil down to forms of experiential avoidance. But at the end of the day, if we can, as human beings, avoid feeling how we don’t want to feel, then why would anyone want to be conscious of avoided feelings? The answer to that is to reverse degradation. On a deeper level, the expression of avoided feelings comes about through the willingness to feel them, which may present itself with consciousness of avoidance dynamics, as well as the potential which lies beyond. The cumulative effects of repression or self aversion lead to vibrational attraction of conditions which compensate what we have an aversion to. Someone who felt no security as a child may create a world of things to make himself feel better, or at the very least, a world of beliefs to hide within so that feelings of insecurity remain beyond the witnessed fabric. This compensation, which may take the form of material abundance, but can also take the form of belief in an afterlife, a smoking hot bod, or an overvaluation of thought structure itself, is essentially entangled with a compensatory dynamic, and so must be maintained and progressed by either gaining more things, or sharing the word so that others can provide you with a feeling of sufficiency through either their demonstration of ignorance in disagreement ( which may not be ignorance at all) or elation through and elevation through a combined desire to avoid what’s true and live through a not quite dead albeit never alive belief, or however else we may be compensating. The way our conditioning functions, is such that the more we avoid and compensate, the more detuned we become to ourselves and the conditions around us. This leaves a spiritually debilitated vessel, because we have now sheltered the truth behind false ideas, and because of our innate vulnerabilities, will defend our ideas with anger and denial. These defense mechanisms are toxic to not only the form but also the environment, such that the potential to link passion to desire becomes discombobulated by a feedback mechanism grounded on personal output. Put simply, if your mind wants to be unconscious ( self aversion, self seeking, projection, etc,) then obviously the universe or your present moment condition is providing you with more ideas to war and entangle self conflict with. If you notice there, we aren’t suggesting causation, but a reciprocal dynamic between what the universe serves up versus how your mind is conditioned to operate. The only way to get your will back is to gain consciousness of what’s going on, which your mind, and we could even say the unconscious conditioned mold, doesn’t want you to. There is a momentum to unconsciousness, that doesn’t affect pure untainted observation. However, going against the grain of the conditioned mold will trigger avoided stuff, and the release of that stuff will bring you into harmony with an intelligence you are walled off from in the egoic state. It’s where all the good stuff about awakening is and where any of the bad stuff cannot possibly be. It is the transcendence of duality itself, the loss of the compulsion to manage one’s feeling state Because consciousness is not in the feeling state. And so to realize oneself is not to gain a new identity, but to shake off a false one. Which makes a bettererer experience in a number of ways. Thankfully, waking up is so much simpler than this workshop manual suggests. Agreed.
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Post by lopezcabellero on Nov 24, 2019 14:14:25 GMT -5
Thankfully, waking up is so much simpler than this workshop manual suggests. Agreed. Hey ZD. So, from what I remember, your take is that waking up essentially entails shifting attention away from thinking, which is to say, away from the mind that could have an emotional complex, until it is realized that the mind one has shifted attention away from isn't 'you'. I bark at this. Let me ask you, father to father, do you believe it's possible that your behavior through the developmental years of your daughter's life could have caused even one emotional injury which she would need to gain consciousness of? Or is your position that regardless of the experience, if there is suffering, emotions need not be addressed, the consciousness beyond the emotions needs to be realized? As an example, let's say a man removes his conditional love from his daughter (through showing less appreciation, less affection, etc.) every time his daughter demonstrates romantic interest in a man. If that daughter grows to be 50, and is still single, and still looking for her father's approval every time she enters the courting stage, do you think she might need to gain consciousness of what true love is and how in error her father is/was? Or is it actually your opinion that shifting attention away from thought will bring her freedom from the error caused by her father's behavior, because that's a freedom from the world and her problem is a world problem? My point is her problem is a Daddy problem, and an untrue belief about what love is caused by Daddy. In this scenario, would you agree she could 'gain consciousness' of this untrue belief, and that in doing so, an emotion could release?
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Post by lopezcabellero on Nov 24, 2019 14:25:15 GMT -5
For a follow up post, I’d like to bring some consciousness to the adverse effects of living within the mind Id complex, as well as share some insight about the benefits of getting out of it. We discussed 3 core dynamics of the complex, which on a fundamental level boil down to forms of experiential avoidance. But at the end of the day, if we can, as human beings, avoid feeling how we don’t want to feel, then why would anyone want to be conscious of avoided feelings? The answer to that is to reverse degradation. On a deeper level, the expression of avoided feelings comes about through the willingness to feel them, which may present itself with consciousness of avoidance dynamics, as well as the potential which lies beyond. The cumulative effects of repression or self aversion lead to vibrational attraction of conditions which compensate what we have an aversion to. Someone who felt no security as a child may create a world of things to make himself feel better, or at the very least, a world of beliefs to hide within so that feelings of insecurity remain beyond the witnessed fabric. This compensation, which may take the form of material abundance, but can also take the form of belief in an afterlife, a smoking hot bod, or an overvaluation of thought structure itself, is essentially entangled with a compensatory dynamic, and so must be maintained and progressed by either gaining more things, or sharing the word so that others can provide you with a feeling of sufficiency through either their demonstration of ignorance in disagreement ( which may not be ignorance at all) or elation through and elevation through a combined desire to avoid what’s true and live through a not quite dead albeit never alive belief, or however else we may be compensating. The way our conditioning functions, is such that the more we avoid and compensate, the more detuned we become to ourselves and the conditions around us. This leaves a spiritually debilitated vessel, because we have now sheltered the truth behind false ideas, and because of our innate vulnerabilities, will defend our ideas with anger and denial. These defense mechanisms are toxic to not only the form but also the environment, such that the potential to link passion to desire becomes discombobulated by a feedback mechanism grounded on personal output. Put simply, if your mind wants to be unconscious ( self aversion, self seeking, projection, etc,) then obviously the universe or your present moment condition is providing you with more ideas to war and entangle self conflict with. If you notice there, we aren’t suggesting causation, but a reciprocal dynamic between what the universe serves up versus how your mind is conditioned to operate. The only way to get your will back is to gain consciousness of what’s going on, which your mind, and we could even say the unconscious conditioned mold, doesn’t want you to. There is a momentum to unconsciousness, that doesn’t affect pure untainted observation. However, going against the grain of the conditioned mold will trigger avoided stuff, and the release of that stuff will bring you into harmony with an intelligence you are walled off from in the egoic state. It’s where all the good stuff about awakening is and where any of the bad stuff cannot possibly be. It is the transcendence of duality itself, the loss of the compulsion to manage one’s feeling state Because consciousness is not in the feeling state. And so to realize oneself is not to gain a new identity, but to shake off a false one. Which makes a bettererer experience in a number of ways. Thankfully, waking up is so much simpler than this workshop manual suggests. Your premise seems to be that you are awake and that awakening has nothing to do with becoming conscious of emotional errors or dealing with personality addictions because you have no interest in these things and have never processed an emotion. That's an interesting premise, and so I'm not surprised by your lack of rezzing. These posts are essentially about becoming conscious. I might say a primary awakening could precede the process of becoming a more conscious person, but of course the awareness itself is unbecoming the apparent mind. Your mind has created its facade at that point (that there is no mind and hence no becoming conscious necessary), and this is why your mind has externalized its repression mechanism by attempting to discredit me or write me off as someone who over complicates things. You still have a lot of emotional baggage, like Maharaj says, you have the option to put it down.
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Post by lopezcabellero on Nov 24, 2019 14:29:39 GMT -5
For a follow up post, I’d like to bring some consciousness to the adverse effects of living within the mind Id complex, as well as share some insight about the benefits of getting out of it. We discussed 3 core dynamics of the complex, which on a fundamental level boil down to forms of experiential avoidance. But at the end of the day, if we can, as human beings, avoid feeling how we don’t want to feel, then why would anyone want to be conscious of avoided feelings? The answer to that is to reverse degradation. On a deeper level, the expression of avoided feelings comes about through the willingness to feel them, which may present itself with consciousness of avoidance dynamics, as well as the potential which lies beyond. The cumulative effects of repression or self aversion lead to vibrational attraction of conditions which compensate what we have an aversion to. Someone who felt no security as a child may create a world of things to make himself feel better, or at the very least, a world of beliefs to hide within so that feelings of insecurity remain beyond the witnessed fabric. This compensation, which may take the form of material abundance, but can also take the form of belief in an afterlife, a smoking hot bod, or an overvaluation of thought structure itself, is essentially entangled with a compensatory dynamic, and so must be maintained and progressed by either gaining more things, or sharing the word so that others can provide you with a feeling of sufficiency through either their demonstration of ignorance in disagreement ( which may not be ignorance at all) or elation through and elevation through a combined desire to avoid what’s true and live through a not quite dead albeit never alive belief, or however else we may be compensating. The way our conditioning functions, is such that the more we avoid and compensate, the more detuned we become to ourselves and the conditions around us. This leaves a spiritually debilitated vessel, because we have now sheltered the truth behind false ideas, and because of our innate vulnerabilities, will defend our ideas with anger and denial. These defense mechanisms are toxic to not only the form but also the environment, such that the potential to link passion to desire becomes discombobulated by a feedback mechanism grounded on personal output. Put simply, if your mind wants to be unconscious ( self aversion, self seeking, projection, etc,) then obviously the universe or your present moment condition is providing you with more ideas to war and entangle self conflict with. If you notice there, we aren’t suggesting causation, but a reciprocal dynamic between what the universe serves up versus how your mind is conditioned to operate. The only way to get your will back is to gain consciousness of what’s going on, which your mind, and we could even say the unconscious conditioned mold, doesn’t want you to. There is a momentum to unconsciousness, that doesn’t affect pure untainted observation. However, going against the grain of the conditioned mold will trigger avoided stuff, and the release of that stuff will bring you into harmony with an intelligence you are walled off from in the egoic state. It’s where all the good stuff about awakening is and where any of the bad stuff cannot possibly be. It is the transcendence of duality itself, the loss of the compulsion to manage one’s feeling state Because consciousness is not in the feeling state. And so to realize oneself is not to gain a new identity, but to shake off a false one. Which makes a bettererer experience in a number of ways. Some of what you've written about avoiding conditions reminds me of some issues I have with the way LOA is sometimes interpreted, generally, but as far as this is concerned: it is Exzactomunifically so. LOA! When you take a good look at dis identification, what that means for the emotional body, and how you may be attracted or repelled by others, or sharing vision with like minded people, there is a book to be written on manifestation, and it might include a chapter on living in a cave. But if doesn't include a chapter on chopping off ego's head only a sucker would want to read it.
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Post by laughter on Nov 24, 2019 19:54:32 GMT -5
Thankfully, waking up is so much simpler than this workshop manual suggests. Agreed. The existential truth is simplicity incarnate, the ten gazillion thingies, not so much.
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Post by laughter on Nov 24, 2019 19:56:26 GMT -5
Some of what you've written about avoiding conditions reminds me of some issues I have with the way LOA is sometimes interpreted, generally, but as far as this is concerned: it is Exzactomunifically so. LOA! When you take a good look at dis identification, what that means for the emotional body, and how you may be attracted or repelled by others, or sharing vision with like minded people, there is a book to be written on manifestation, and it might include a chapter on living in a cave. But if doesn't include a chapter on chopping off ego's head only a sucker would want to read it. Ego is a tricky bastage and is the most direct and obvious expression of the existential illusion. But, what would fight ego, other than ego, itself?
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Post by laughter on Nov 24, 2019 20:07:20 GMT -5
Thankfully, waking up is so much simpler than this workshop manual suggests. Your premise seems to be that you are awake and that awakening has nothing to do with becoming conscious of emotional errors or dealing with personality addictions because you have no interest in these things and have never processed an emotion. That's an interesting premise, and so I'm not surprised by your lack of rezzing. These posts are essentially about becoming conscious. I might say a primary awakening could precede the process of becoming a more conscious person, but of course the awareness itself is unbecoming the apparent mind. Your mind has created its facade at that point (that there is no mind and hence no becoming conscious necessary), and this is why your mind has externalized its repression mechanism by attempting to discredit me or write me off as someone who over complicates things. You still have a lot of emotional baggage, like Maharaj says, you have the option to put it down. Any given human body mind can be thought of in terms of a machine, and one story about that machine is that it expresses four billion years of the environment encoding itself in the media of DNA. The specifics of that story aren't important to what I'm writing here, just the point that the machinery has quite a bit of momentum behind it. Awakening is first and foremost about the distinction between what it is that we really are, which is definitely not that machine. But the fact remains, that to have what everyone can agree on is a living, breathing experience of human being, the wheels have to turn. This is a fact that no realization can transcend. Some people will be interested in the details of the machinery, some won't, and really, it's not only all good, in existential terms, the lack of interest thereof is quite meaningless. The flip side, of course, is that insight into how the machine works is definitely an advantage in any potential process of becoming conscious of the content and dynamic of our own minds. While this isn't the only road to Rome, it's got quite a few tread marks on it.
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Post by satchitananda on Nov 24, 2019 22:00:51 GMT -5
Thankfully, waking up is so much simpler than this workshop manual suggests. Your premise seems to be that you are awake and that awakening has nothing to do with becoming conscious of emotional errors or dealing with personality addictions . That's correct, awakening has nothing whatsoever to do with that because it is not about fixing your personality, but realizing that what you are is prior to and not dependent on whatever personality you manifest. The workshop approach is to tend to every single individual leaf on the tree whereas the path of spirituality, of self-inquiry, is to simply tend to the root of the tree and the leaves will take care of themselves.
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