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Post by laughter on Feb 19, 2015 17:22:17 GMT -5
That piece that yer restin' yer ass on when you sit is always there and when yer off in edgeumicationland and can peacefully deal with the authority there, you'll know that the meditation worked. (** ducks **)Oh right, it only works when not meditating. Gocha. Yea, they design it purposely to stress everyone out. Makes it seem much more important when we're all highly strung. For the person-in-the-world it's not possible to be both detached and in a position for which the full range of human emotion is available. This usually works out just fine ... noone wants their physician to enter the exam room in a fit of deep depression or the guy on the assembly line to dance a jig or the student at chair 5e in recitation #12 to suddenly fly into a bloody rage about linear algebra. In effortlessness, the extremes are relegated to those times when they just happen to be a perfect match for the circumstance.
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Post by lolly on Feb 19, 2015 18:01:05 GMT -5
Oh right, it only works when not meditating. Gocha. Yea, they design it purposely to stress everyone out. Makes it seem much more important when we're all highly strung. :D For the person-in-the-world it's not possible to be both detached and in a position for which the full range of human emotion is available. This usually works out just fine ... noone wants their physician to enter the exam room in a fit of deep depression or the guy on the assembly line to dance a jig or the student at chair 5e in recitation #12 to suddenly fly into a bloody rage about linear algebra. In effortlessness, the extremes are relegated to those times when they just happen to be a perfect match for the circumstance. I'm on the same page, and I meet a lot of spiritual people who experience really farout things, but I don't, I just have a physical life, and don't know any better, but when it comes to life, and you read my bio on anger, the balanced disposition is IT, and no matter what the case is, mundane physical or really high in spiritual, balance of disposition is your BFF. I talk about this sometimes, it's the equanimity and nothing else... but that's not really desirable, so it's not like anyone cares. I'm undertaking Buddhist Studies, Lolly PhD (equanimity).
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Post by laughter on Feb 19, 2015 19:03:23 GMT -5
For the person-in-the-world it's not possible to be both detached and in a position for which the full range of human emotion is available. This usually works out just fine ... noone wants their physician to enter the exam room in a fit of deep depression or the guy on the assembly line to dance a jig or the student at chair 5e in recitation #12 to suddenly fly into a bloody rage about linear algebra. In effortlessness, the extremes are relegated to those times when they just happen to be a perfect match for the circumstance. I'm on the same page, and I meet a lot of spiritual people who experience really farout things, but I don't, I just have a physical life, and don't know any better, but when it comes to life, and you read my bio on anger, the balanced disposition is IT, and no matter what the case is, mundane physical or really high in spiritual, balance of disposition is your BFF. I talk about this sometimes, it's the equanimity and nothing else... but that's not really desirable, so it's not like anyone cares. I'm undertaking Buddhist Studies, Lolly PhD (equanimity). Hey! Yer literally gonna' be Dr. Cool!!
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Post by enigma on Feb 19, 2015 21:02:55 GMT -5
I have an illusion of outer world instability?? Seems stable enough to me. I know about you, when I say 'yes' you would say 'no', when I say 'no' you would say 'yes', see how funny you are he he. No. No. You're deriving conclusions again using your 'flawless logic'.
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Post by enigma on Feb 19, 2015 21:04:28 GMT -5
The mind is a useful tool, it's just that it has limits with respect to self-inquiry. So you are believing sun will raise tomorrow? It seems likely, but how can you know? After all, you believed iron couldn't be broken, and you were mistaken.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 23:10:53 GMT -5
So you are believing sun will raise tomorrow? It seems likely, but how can you know?After all, you believed iron couldn't be broken, and you were mistaken. I have seen in my everyday life, that never fails, I have seen gravity works in my everyday life, that never fails, I hope you too must have seen this, If so, what obstruct you to believe this?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 23:13:45 GMT -5
I know about you, when I say 'yes' you would say 'no', when I say 'no' you would say 'yes', see how funny you are he he. No. No. You're deriving conclusions again using your 'flawless logic'. So book need not to be kept by someone? So words and lines need not to be written by someone? How do you know? Isn't it contradict our every day life experience in physical world? If you say I am wrong, then what sense are you saying outer world focus is stable?
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Post by enigma on Feb 19, 2015 23:16:21 GMT -5
It seems likely, but how can you know?After all, you believed iron couldn't be broken, and you were mistaken. I have seen in my everyday life, that never fails, I have seen gravity works in my everyday life, that never fails, I hope you too must have seen this, If so, what obstruct you to believe this? I'm not saying I don't expect it, just saying you can't really know. One day, the sun will not rise. How do you know it won't be tomorrow?
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Post by enigma on Feb 19, 2015 23:21:10 GMT -5
No. No. You're deriving conclusions again using your 'flawless logic'. So book need not to be kept by someone? So words and lines need not to be written by someone? How do you know? Isn't it contradict our every day life experience in physical world? If you say I am wrong, then what sense are you saying outer world focus is stable? There are many things in our everyday experience that are contradicted by the actuality. Checking experience and taking notes on what must be true is Tzu's trick. I claim there's such a thing as illusion, and examining the experience and deriving logical conclusions isn't going to reveal the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 23:28:19 GMT -5
So book need not to be kept by someone? So words and lines need not to be written by someone? How do you know? Isn't it contradict our every day life experience in physical world? If you say I am wrong, then what sense are you saying outer world focus is stable? There are many things in our everyday experience that are contradicted by the actuality. Checking experience and taking notes on what must be true is Tzu's trick. I claim there's such a thing as illusion, and examining the experience and deriving logical conclusions isn't going to reveal the truth. Can you point out one single contradictory thing in our actuality?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 23:29:09 GMT -5
I have seen in my everyday life, that never fails, I have seen gravity works in my everyday life, that never fails, I hope you too must have seen this, If so, what obstruct you to believe this? I'm not saying I don't expect it, just saying you can't really know. One day, the sun will not rise. How do you know it won't be tomorrow? More or less all your conclusion leads to the conclusion of "we can't know anything"
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Post by enigma on Feb 19, 2015 23:56:26 GMT -5
There are many things in our everyday experience that are contradicted by the actuality. Checking experience and taking notes on what must be true is Tzu's trick. I claim there's such a thing as illusion, and examining the experience and deriving logical conclusions isn't going to reveal the truth. Can you point out one single contradictory thing in our actuality? Actuality isn't contradictory. Actuality contradicts illusion.
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Post by enigma on Feb 19, 2015 23:57:41 GMT -5
I'm not saying I don't expect it, just saying you can't really know. One day, the sun will not rise. How do you know it won't be tomorrow? More or less all your conclusion leads to the conclusion of "we can't know anything" Okay.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 0:44:07 GMT -5
Can you point out one single contradictory thing in our actuality? Actuality isn't contradictory. Actuality contradicts illusion. You need to explain me more, I don't understand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 0:47:26 GMT -5
More or less all your conclusion leads to the conclusion of "we can't know anything" Okay. So outer world is stable or not also can't be known,right? So there might be a chance that outer world is stable,So book must have been written by someone? Because Since you state that that can't be known, it give the possibility of outer world focus stability. Isn't it?
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