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Post by laughter on Feb 21, 2015 23:23:35 GMT -5
u mean like a Giraffic Arrangement?? Yes! Does it matter whether or knot the flowers in the arrangement are plastic??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 6:40:59 GMT -5
7) What was in your coffee cup before the universe was created? Great question, but the best answer will probably remain out of reach, so to speak. Ha ha. Yeah I get that know. I was cheating a little in that it was a line from a Jed McKenna book, though the license to understand it includes the license to ask it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 19:23:07 GMT -5
It's only westernisation that has caused his fixation with craps. I tell ya. Your fixation on westernisation is craps. What is the difference between an girl from the Bronx and a girl from Bangalore? Environment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 21:29:47 GMT -5
If duality were no so, you wouldn't be arguing against it.. the fact that you realize the different parts of the same whole reinforces the presence of duality.. if the advocates of nonduality were to let that belief go, duality would cease to be an issue.. nobody talks about duality until the nonduality preachers start defining the happening in terms that create the duality/nonduality model.. I don't have to realise that there are different human beings viewing their lives from different points of view. Though really we can talk about the movement that assembles each and everyone of those different human beings into your view. Did you honestly notice a joyful movement in your body when you first saw Enigma in your computer monitor or was it just a brain tick that caught fire?
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Post by japhy on Mar 27, 2015 7:45:17 GMT -5
Your fixation on westernisation is craps. What is the difference between an girl from the Bronx and a girl from Bangalore? Environment. One is from Bangalore and the other is from the Bronx. Everything else is making up a story. Environment is an abstraction of the facts, therefore at least a semi-story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 18:00:07 GMT -5
One is from Bangalore and the other is from the Bronx. Everything else is making up a story. Environment is an abstraction of the facts, therefore at least a semi-story. The Environment that you're thinking of is indeed an abstraction. Though if it's raining in the Bronx does the woman living in Bangalore feel her clothes getting soaked? If it's hot and sunny in Bangalore is the woman living in the Bronx basking in the warmth and enjoying the joyous air around her?
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Post by laughter on Mar 27, 2015 22:10:16 GMT -5
One is from Bangalore and the other is from the Bronx. Everything else is making up a story. Environment is an abstraction of the facts, therefore at least a semi-story. The Environment that you're thinking of is indeed an abstraction. Though if it's raining in the Bronx does the woman living in Bangalore feel her clothes getting soaked? If it's hot and sunny in Bangalore is the woman living in the Bronx basking in the warmth and enjoying the joyous air around her? The sensations of the two women might seem as though they arise in isolation, one independent of the other, and they are different experiences, but that one is not known to the other is just the magic trick of perspective. Not the most subtle of impression, of one can happen without the totality of the other. Not a single raindrop nor a solitary glint of day in the distance. The only clue for the intellect that this is the case is that it's the same Sun that beats the air that has no boundary whether it's in the Bronx or Bangalore.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 28, 2015 6:00:02 GMT -5
The Environment that you're thinking of is indeed an abstraction. Though if it's raining in the Bronx does the woman living in Bangalore feel her clothes getting soaked? If it's hot and sunny in Bangalore is the woman living in the Bronx basking in the warmth and enjoying the joyous air around her? The sensations of the two women might seem as though they arise in isolation, one independent of the other, and they are different experiences, but that one is not known to the other is just the magic trick of perspective. Not the most subtle of impression, of one can happen without the totality of the other. Not a single raindrop nor a solitary glint of day in the distance. The only clue for the intellect that this is the case is that it's the same Sun that beats the air that has no boundary whether it's in the Bronx or Bangalore. The magic trick is word/mind-play.. the sun is not the two women who are not each other, but all of whom are manifested of the same essence..
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Post by laughter on Mar 28, 2015 6:49:30 GMT -5
The sensations of the two women might seem as though they arise in isolation, one independent of the other, and they are different experiences, but that one is not known to the other is just the magic trick of perspective. Not the most subtle of impression, of one can happen without the totality of the other. Not a single raindrop nor a solitary glint of day in the distance. The only clue for the intellect that this is the case is that it's the same Sun that beats the air that has no boundary whether it's in the Bronx or Bangalore. The magic trick is word/mind-play.. the sun is not the two women who are not each other, but all of whom are manifested of the same essence..And the play of exposing the magic trick for the sham that it is can be quite fun. This is your active mind belief. In the state of what you conceive of as a still mind, you have set aside interest in it. What is required in order for you to release the idea of "essence" is to recognize how you define yourself relative to it. The still mind state is integral to that process of recognition and the release of it that follows, but it's not enough.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 28, 2015 12:18:17 GMT -5
The magic trick is word/mind-play.. the sun is not the two women who are not each other, but all of whom are manifested of the same essence..And the play of exposing the magic trick for the sham that it is can be quite fun. This is your active mind belief. In the state of what you conceive of as a still mind, you have set aside interest in it. What is required in order for you to release the idea of "essence" is to recognize how you define yourself relative to it. The still mind state is integral to that process of recognition and the release of it that follows, but it's not enough. That is my understanding What is 'necessary' is clarity.. 'required' is the language of desired dominion, if you're really interested in communication beyond entertaining your self-image, learn to communicate clearly..
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Post by laughter on Mar 28, 2015 13:15:15 GMT -5
And the play of exposing the magic trick for the sham that it is can be quite fun. This is your active mind belief. In the state of what you conceive of as a still mind, you have set aside interest in it. What is required in order for you to release the idea of "essence" is to recognize how you define yourself relative to it. The still mind state is integral to that process of recognition and the release of it that follows, but it's not enough. That is my understanding And that is a euphemism. What is 'necessary' is clarity.. 'required' is the language of desired dominion, if you're really interested in communication beyond entertaining your self-image, learn to communicate clearly.. And your distinction between necessary and required is a dwad. What is very clear here is that you are trying to establish a dominion (from your inception of the dialog) and are now lecturing me about refraining from doing just that. If you value clarity, you will learn about your own proclivity to project. Sorry, I can't help you with that, like at all, and that's because of the image of me you have in your mind as someone to debate-stalk. Because of the stickiness of that image, much of what you have and are likely to continue to write about in this dialog seems to you as if it's about me, but, it's not. But, I'll tell ya' the truth anyways Tzu'. <-- there, nice big fat fastball for ya'.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 28, 2015 14:34:43 GMT -5
And that is a euphemism. What is 'necessary' is clarity.. 'required' is the language of desired dominion, if you're really interested in communication beyond entertaining your self-image, learn to communicate clearly.. And your distinction between necessary and required is a dwad. What is very clear here is that you are trying to establish a dominion (from your inception of the dialog) and are now lecturing me about refraining from doing just that. If you value clarity, you will learn about your own proclivity to project. Sorry, I can't help you with that, like at all, and that's because of the image of me you have in your mind as someone to debate-stalk. Because of the stickiness of that image, much of what you have and are likely to continue to write about in this dialog seems to you as if it's about me, but, it's not. But, I'll tell ya' the truth anyways Tzu'. <-- there, nice big fat fastball for ya'. What you tell people is what you think will keep a conflict alive..
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Post by laughter on Mar 28, 2015 20:44:42 GMT -5
And that is a euphemism. And your distinction between necessary and required is a dwad. What is very clear here is that you are trying to establish a dominion (from your inception of the dialog) and are now lecturing me about refraining from doing just that. If you value clarity, you will learn about your own proclivity to project. Sorry, I can't help you with that, like at all, and that's because of the image of me you have in your mind as someone to debate-stalk. Because of the stickiness of that image, much of what you have and are likely to continue to write about in this dialog seems to you as if it's about me, but, it's not. But, I'll tell ya' the truth anyways Tzu'. <-- there, nice big fat fastball for ya'. What you tell people is what you think will keep a conflict alive.. What I tell people is what I find to be honest, but obviously, all the dialog I generate is filtered through all of my past conditioning, so there may be a potential that I'm not being honest. Your sig is the twisted ESA version of that idea that is one thought beyond it too many.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 28, 2015 20:47:44 GMT -5
What you tell people is what you think will keep a conflict alive.. What I tell people is what I find to be honest, but obviously, all the dialog I generate is filtered through all of my past conditioning, so there may be a potential that I'm not being honest. Your sig is the twisted ESA version of that idea that is one thought beyond it too many. So, you don't like my sig..
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Post by laughter on Mar 28, 2015 20:50:28 GMT -5
What I tell people is what I find to be honest, but obviously, all the dialog I generate is filtered through all of my past conditioning, so there may be a potential that I'm not being honest. Your sig is the twisted ESA version of that idea that is one thought beyond it too many. So, you don't like my sig.. Not a matter of preference, just a matter of facts.
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