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Post by amit on Jan 25, 2015 12:50:54 GMT -5
I'm putting together some accounts of individual understanding of non duality and what in particular resonates.
Firstly I would appreciate hearing the description of non duality you have and secondly if there is anything in particular in that description that resonates with you more than other aspects of it.
My records will not mention individuals by name.
amit
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Post by laughter on Jan 25, 2015 13:36:53 GMT -5
I'm putting together some accounts of individual understanding of non duality and what in particular resonates. Firstly I would appreciate hearing the description of non duality you have and secondly if there is anything in particular in that description that resonates with you more than other aspects of it. My records will not mention individuals by name. amit Amit, first off, nice to hear from you man. Not two as a pointer, for me, has been a sort of talisman for questioning and observing every idea and feeling that I've ever been conscious of having about myself and the world. What I would describe as the result of the questioning, so far, isn't that these movements of mind are necessarily false, but that they are empty, and in that emptiness is a profound, depthless, poignant and breathtaking beauty.
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Post by steven on Jan 25, 2015 13:40:33 GMT -5
Duality and Non-Duality are both mental dialogues, describing an experience, that frequently occurs as one shifts perspectives.
Its often the case that when one shifts from a life prevailing perspective of 'duality' to one of 'non-duality', that it's such a significant experience for them that it becomes the main focus of life for a bit.
You are a node of conciousness creating experiences, and sometime commenting on them. Dual versus Non-Dual are a shifting of experience patterns for you.
Sometimes, people that are searching for their so called true nature, or some ultimate truth or essence of being, look so hard that they NEED an answer. So they look and look, and when that looking leads to a shift in perspective that reveals a non-dual experience, they say to themselves: "This must be it, the True Nature, or Deeply Permanent Truth that I've been looking for", and they kind of latch onto it.
Whatever you are thinking, or doing, or experiencing, THIS IS YOU, your deepest nature, your truest self...their is no other, ONLY YOU.
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Post by amit on Jan 25, 2015 14:31:05 GMT -5
Hi Laughter,
Good to hear from you too.
I've already have about 20 accounts with some interesting patterns emerging including stuff about troubling emotions and how they were eased by aspects of the description seekers had which they particularly resonated with. One example is feelings of guilt which were eased by the idea in the description held that nothing is happening despite appearances to the contrary.
It may be difficult to reveal this sort of stuff here but giving it a try.
Anything you would like to add?
amit
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Post by amit on Jan 25, 2015 14:34:14 GMT -5
Hi Steve,
My reply to Laughter may give some idea of what may be involved.
Anything you would like to add?
amit
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Post by amit on Jan 25, 2015 14:52:22 GMT -5
Hi Steve,
This thread is asking for a personal reflection. My reply to Laughter may give some idea of what may be involved.
You may not be into this sort of inquiry. Fair enough if that's the case.
amit
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Post by tenka on Jan 25, 2015 14:57:33 GMT -5
In the realization of what you are there is only what you are present . What you are is no-one and nothing and yet what you are is fully present .
The mind entertains duality beyond does not . What you are is present regardless .
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Post by amit on Jan 25, 2015 15:21:20 GMT -5
Hi Tenka,
This thread is asking for a personal reflection. My reply to Laughter may give some idea of what may be involved.
You may not be into this sort of inquiry. Fair enough if that's the case
amit
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Post by laughter on Jan 25, 2015 15:25:15 GMT -5
Hi Laughter, Good to hear from you too. I've already have about 20 accounts with some interesting patterns emerging including stuff about troubling emotions and how they were eased by aspects of the description seekers had which they particularly resonated with. One example is feelings of guilt which were eased by the idea in the description held that nothing is happening despite appearances to the contrary. It may be difficult to reveal this sort of stuff here but giving it a try. Anything you would like to add? amit There's two different types of observations available. One is of the noticing of a sort of self-sedative effect that certain ideas can have on our state of mind and feeling state, and the other is of lasting and permanent transformation that appears to play out as a process over time. These observations are, as you suggest, very personalized, and I find that expressing them would be very complicated and involved ... is that what you're looking for? I don't mind hangin' out the dirty laundry and fully expect the neighborhood kids to fling mud at the whites, but are you really interested in a sort of diaretic diary of this nature? I'd also add the following caveat: the personal nature of the observations make them essentially ancillary to the pointer of not two. While nonduality has had an impact on my life situation, that's not where the interest either emerges from or is sustained by.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:42:57 GMT -5
Hi amit, I resonated with Steves description. So I would only add to it, by saying there is ONLY YOU, until YOU withdraw YOUR consciousness from YOU leaving YOU without YOU.
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Post by amit on Jan 25, 2015 15:50:00 GMT -5
Hi Laughter,
The example concerning feelings of guilt is only one aspect that has come out of the accounts so far. I would appreciate your description of whatever was most important to you in the description of non duality you had (still have) and why that aspect was most important. Another example from the accounts is feelings of disconnection from source, a sort of abandonment, which were eased by the idea in the description held that disconnection was impossible.
The interest is in whether there are clear links between particular aspects of what may be going on internally and the particular aspects of the description resonated with. As far as I can see so far this has nothing to do with enlightenment/realization but I suppose the stuff about the end of the feeling of disconnection may have something to do with that according to some descriptions of realization anyway.
In the accounts, when talking about easing in response to an idea in the description, it was not an understanding that primarily produced the easing but rather a resonance with the idea that drove a desire to understand the idea which in turn deepened the resonance. This process went on in quite an intense way until the easing was complete.
amit
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Post by amit on Jan 25, 2015 15:53:37 GMT -5
Hi Source,
This is not about me although I do have a story to tell.
This thread is asking for a personal reflection about your own process. My replies to Laughter may give some idea of what may be involved.
You may not be into this sort of inquiry. Fair enough if that's the case.
amit
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Post by steven on Jan 25, 2015 16:12:14 GMT -5
Hi Source, This is not about me although I do have a story to tell. This thread is asking for a personal reflection about your own process. My replies to Laughter may give some idea of what may be involved. You may not be into this sort of inquiry. Fair enough if that's the case. amit What do you mean by 'process' in that post Amit?
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2015 19:30:40 GMT -5
Hi Laughter, Good to hear from you too. I've already have about 20 accounts with some interesting patterns emerging including stuff about troubling emotions and how they were eased by aspects of the description seekers had which they particularly resonated with. One example is feelings of guilt which were eased by the idea in the description held that nothing is happening despite appearances to the contrary.It may be difficult to reveal this sort of stuff here but giving it a try. Anything you would like to add? amit I'm curious as to how that works. 'Nothing is happening' doesn't mean our actions don't result in suffering.
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Post by tenka on Jan 26, 2015 3:21:03 GMT -5
Hi Tenka, This thread is asking for a personal reflection. My reply to Laughter may give some idea of what may be involved. You may not be into this sort of inquiry. Fair enough if that's the case amit Hi, From a (so called) personal perspective / reflection I noticed deep rooted suffering had for being in/of a dual experience in relation to self . No one to suffer from a non dual perspective . There is no greater suffering in my eyes .
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